Best worded pro-gun argument

[Skull Pilot]

If arming everyone deters violence why is the south side of Chicago a warzone? They are well armed and the violence hasn't stopped. Why? Because more guns is not the answer.

Yeah all those law abiding people are just killing everyone.

Tell me if criminals have guns how are you safer without a gun?

Oh so criminals with guns won't be deterred by targets that also have guns?

Tell you what when someone breaks into your house with a weapon intending to do you harm you just say," I don't have a gun so you better get out of my house" and see what happens.

 

[Claudette]

Yeah all those law abiding people are just killing everyone.

Tell me if criminals have guns how are you safer without a gun?

Oh so criminals with guns won't be deterred by targets that also have guns?

Tell you what when someone breaks into your house with a weapon intending to do you harm you just say," I don't have a gun so you better get out of my house" and see what happens.

Yup. I'm sure the guy with the gun will be perfectly happy that he doesn't have a gun.

He will then be able to rob him, beat the shit out of him or kill him.

Criminals are deterred if you have a gun and are just as willing to use it as he is.

 

[RDD_1210]

Yeah all those law abiding people are just killing everyone.

Tell me if criminals have guns how are you safer without a gun?

Oh so criminals with guns won't be deterred by targets that also have guns?

Tell you what when someone breaks into your house with a weapon intending to do you harm you just say," I don't have a gun so you better get out of my house" and see what happens.

So that's a yes?

And how come criminals aren't running wild doing anything they want in numerous other countries where the citizens aren't as well armed like you insist we need to be here.

Your entire argument has so many holes it's actually funny that you refuse to acknowledge it.

 

[RDD_1210]

Oh so criminals with guns won't be deterred by targets that also have guns?

Tell you what when someone breaks into your house with a weapon intending to do you harm you just say," I don't have a gun so you better get out of my house" and see what happens.

Yup. I'm sure the guy with the gun will be perfectly happy that he doesn't have a gun.

He will then be able to rob him, beat the shit out of him or kill him.

Criminals are deterred if you have a gun and are just as willing to use it as he is.

So Canada, Japan, Germany, Australia just have so few criminals then?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Oh so criminals with guns won't be deterred by targets that also have guns?

Tell you what when someone breaks into your house with a weapon intending to do you harm you just say," I don't have a gun so you better get out of my house" and see what happens.

So that's a yes?

And how come criminals aren't running wild doing anything they want in numerous other countries where the citizens aren't as well armed like you insist we need to be here.

Your entire argument has so many holes it's actually funny that you refuse to acknowledge it.

I don't give a shit about any other country. I don't live in another country, don't want to live in another country never will live in another country.

All I care about is living my life with my wife and being able to protect myself and her from danger.

So until you can guarantee me that no one will ever put me, or my wife in harm's way I will own a gun.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Received in an email-

THE BEST WORDED PRO-GUN ARGUMENT I HAVE EVER READ

"The Gun Is Civilization" by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force.
If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either
convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of
force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories,
without exception.

Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through
persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and
the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as
paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason
and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or
employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal
footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with
a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload
of drunken guys with baseball bats.

The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between
a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force
equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all
guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a
[armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's
potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative
fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the
young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a
civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful
living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that
otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in
several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the
physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal
force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with
a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works
solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both
are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian
as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as
a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but
because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot
be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because
it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who
would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would
do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why
carrying a gun is a civilized act.

So, the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed
and can only be persuaded, never forced.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML1OZCHixR0]2001 a space odyssey - YouTube[/ame]

 

[daveman]

Oh, an email.

So, the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.

I thought that's what we have laws for...

How are those laws against murder, rape, theft, etc. working out?

 

[daveman]

If arming everyone deters violence why is the south side of Chicago a warzone? They are well armed and the violence hasn't stopped. Why? Because more guns is not the answer.

 

[racewright]

I tried to buy another semi automatic rifle Tuesday but the owner of the gun shop is all out of anything that could be used as a semi auto--so lets see what has happened.

A terrible thing with semi auto loaders happened ,next day gun stores ordered everything that the gun makers had on the shelf. Next the gun makers went into over time to make more. Buy the time the domestic enemies of freedom got around to passing new so called gun laws millions of semi autos were made and sold to the law abiding public.
Conclusion:
1. the trust and confidence in out government to keep this great country free is not there.
2. Are we still a great country???
3. If the government could do anything right all would be wealthy.
4. now the real reason for the cause of the deaths by bad people,economy. what did this fool say..yea lack of good jobs,starts stress, stress leads to medication for being depressed, now lets go to the fantasy world to feel better,oh this is full of violence,yea I can get even buy killing my mom and the bad teachers that screwed me up in the first place,and I hate myself ever since I was a kid yea I hate kids also..
5.So figure out how to stop this type of thinking on the part of the weak minded and maybe sandy hook disasters can be avoided. Wait that is too hard so lets blame a piece of steel, the ass hole public will go for it after all the voted for me just because I'm fashionable so we can feed them any bullshit and they will go for it.
6. Glad I already have my semi auto loader.

New Yorker (god what a mess,oops should not have mentioned him)
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[daveman]

As we see in this thread, and all throughout history, the left doesn't have the means to persuade people to support their agenda, so they have to resort to force.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Major MAJOR chain email fail...

Oh, and LadyDumbSlinger is a welsher. That is all.

Prove it Josie. What did I welsh on? Come on.

LIAR

 

[del]

If you want to be a victim, that's your choice... If I want to preserve the Freedom to defend myself with scary guns, that's my choice. Get it moron?

It's your "legal" choice until the courts say it isn't...

The Court cannot USURP, ratify, amend the US CONSTITUTION.

you need more caps

 

[Katzndogz]

The best pro gun argument is Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia becoming Kiladelphia. Oakland, Memphis, and Flint.

 

[squeeze berry]

The 2nd Amendment is a fossil from another time.

then the others are too?

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

The 2nd Amendment is a fossil from another time.

then the others are too?

Liberals get to pick and choose which amendments they do and don't like for the rest of us.

 

[RDD_1210]

Tell you what when someone breaks into your house with a weapon intending to do you harm you just say," I don't have a gun so you better get out of my house" and see what happens.

So that's a yes?

And how come criminals aren't running wild doing anything they want in numerous other countries where the citizens aren't as well armed like you insist we need to be here.

Your entire argument has so many holes it's actually funny that you refuse to acknowledge it.

I don't give a shit about any other country. I don't live in another country, don't want to live in another country never will live in another country.

All I care about is living my life with my wife and being able to protect myself and her from danger.

So until you can guarantee me that no one will ever put me, or my wife in harm's way I will own a gun.

Me, me, me. Like I said. Pure selfishness. Who cares that about kids being shot in the face, I got what I want. Sound about right?

 

[RDD_1210]

If arming everyone deters violence why is the south side of Chicago a warzone? They are well armed and the violence hasn't stopped. Why? Because more guns is not the answer.

How does that make ANY sense? The argument is that our laws throughout the nation AREN'T good enough. It doesn't matter if Chicago is stricter than another place in the country when none of them are strict enough to begin with.

How fucking slow can you be?

 

[RDD_1210]

The best pro gun argument is Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia becoming Kiladelphia. Oakland, Memphis, and Flint.

How so?

 

[daveman]

If arming everyone deters violence why is the south side of Chicago a warzone? They are well armed and the violence hasn't stopped. Why? Because more guns is not the answer.

How does that make ANY sense? The argument is that our laws throughout the nation AREN'T good enough. It doesn't matter if Chicago is stricter than another place in the country when none of them are strict enough to begin with.

How fucking slow can you be?

I asked you what was your plan to get criminals to obey the law.

You never answered.

I wonder why...?

Meanwhile, back in reality, how would you make Chicago's gun laws stricter?

 

[bripat9643]

The 2nd Amendment is a fossil from another time.

then the others are too?

Liberals get to pick and choose which parts of the Bill of Rights they are going to ignore.