Bernie Sanders introduces 'Stop BEZOS' bill

[Uncensored2008]

I dunno about 'very', and I don't really want to bicker about the "true meaning" of socialism, but far too many Americans are looking for authoritarian control over society. They think the purpose of government is to decide what society should do and make us do it.

Isn't the primary means of government control over local economies the very property and business taxes you so vigorously defend and promote?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Because spending doesn't go down just because we reduce taxes. I know a lot of idiot Trumpsters think it does, but that's only because they're morons. The fact is, reducing taxes without reducing spending will require some means of making up the shortfall. It will either be pushed onto our children, in the form of debt, or will require tax increases. In either of these scenarios, the people who aren't getting the tax cuts will pay more.

Most excess government spending is absorbed through inflation.


Tell me, what would you view as a "fair" tax of corporate profits, 90%? 95%?

 

[dblack]

I dunno about 'very', and I don't really want to bicker about the "true meaning" of socialism, but far too many Americans are looking for authoritarian control over society. They think the purpose of government is to decide what society should do and make us do it.

Isn't the primary means of government control over local economies the very property and business taxes you so vigorously defend and promote?

I think you got your quotes mixed up. Did you mean this to go to someone else?

 

[Uncensored2008]

I dunno about 'very', and I don't really want to bicker about the "true meaning" of socialism, but far too many Americans are looking for authoritarian control over society. They think the purpose of government is to decide what society should do and make us do it.

Isn't the primary means of government control over local economies the very property and business taxes you so vigorously defend and promote?

I think you got your quotes mixed up. Did you mean this to go to someone else?

Nope.

Since you have become all woke and shit, you run left of most of the statists.

 

[dblack]

I dunno about 'very', and I don't really want to bicker about the "true meaning" of socialism, but far too many Americans are looking for authoritarian control over society. They think the purpose of government is to decide what society should do and make us do it.

Isn't the primary means of government control over local economies the very property and business taxes you so vigorously defend and promote?

I think you got your quotes mixed up. Did you mean this to go to someone else?

Nope.

Since you have become all woke and shit, you run left of most of the statists.

Uh... ok. Well you were saying I vigorously defend and promote taxes - which is pure horseshit. Is this more of your trolling because I refuse to support Trump?

 

[dblack]

Tell me, what would you view as a "fair" tax of corporate profits, 90%? 95%?

I don't think there should BE a corporate tax. Did you get into daniel's stash?

 

[Brain357]

If the company moves to your state (or does whatever is required to get the special deal), they get a tax break. If they don't, they don't. Needless to say, none of the people already in your state get the tax break. They get stuck with the bill for the taxes that the new company isn't paying. This isn't complicated. You're just kind of dumb. Sorry to be mean, but I can come to no other conclusion.

I"m dumb? I asked repeatedly: how do other people pay more taxes because somebody is moving to a state and just paying a little less? The current companies there pay the same. In fact, new businesses might actually save them from getting their taxes raised even more down the road. Sounds like you're kind of dumb by saying companies would pay more taxes if businesses moved in than they would if those businesses never moved in. That' doesn't even make any sense.

Now if a business doesn't get a tax break in my state, it's because our politicians figured there would be no benefit to the city or state by giving an abatement. Another state might think differently. They might offer a tax break to that company that we didn't want to give them.

Nobody is being penalized here.

What happens when amazon gets a better deal than Walmart? Should government be giving amazon an advantage?

If they think it will be an advantage to their area, why not?

You have a lot of faith in what politicians think. More likely whoever does more lobbying or gives more campaign contributions. So now Amazon puts Walmart out of business from a government created advantage. Job losses.

How does Amazon put Walmart out of business when you can buy Amazon from anywhere in the country? Does Amazon have stores like Walmart does that I don't know about?

Same way amazon put borders out of business, by taking their customers.

 

[Brain357]

an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations

In deals like Foxconn, the government is heavily influencing corporate decisions. Government shouldn't be picking winners and losers in good capitalism.

What makes you say that, Comrade? Are you privy to the board room of Apple? Did Tim Cook announce that the Wisconsin tax break influenced his decision to open the Apple controlled company there?

Nah, you're just ignorantly spewing shit, yet again.

The pretend economist who doesn’t know that good capitalism has as little government involvement is back. You crack me up!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I"m dumb? I asked repeatedly: how do other people pay more taxes because somebody is moving to a state and just paying a little less? The current companies there pay the same. In fact, new businesses might actually save them from getting their taxes raised even more down the road. Sounds like you're kind of dumb by saying companies would pay more taxes if businesses moved in than they would if those businesses never moved in. That' doesn't even make any sense.

Now if a business doesn't get a tax break in my state, it's because our politicians figured there would be no benefit to the city or state by giving an abatement. Another state might think differently. They might offer a tax break to that company that we didn't want to give them.

Nobody is being penalized here.

What happens when amazon gets a better deal than Walmart? Should government be giving amazon an advantage?

If they think it will be an advantage to their area, why not?

You have a lot of faith in what politicians think. More likely whoever does more lobbying or gives more campaign contributions. So now Amazon puts Walmart out of business from a government created advantage. Job losses.

How does Amazon put Walmart out of business when you can buy Amazon from anywhere in the country? Does Amazon have stores like Walmart does that I don't know about?

Same way amazon put borders out of business, by taking their customers.

You mean they didn't do it with tax abatements? Imagine that.

 

[Brain357]

What happens when amazon gets a better deal than Walmart? Should government be giving amazon an advantage?

If they think it will be an advantage to their area, why not?

You have a lot of faith in what politicians think. More likely whoever does more lobbying or gives more campaign contributions. So now Amazon puts Walmart out of business from a government created advantage. Job losses.

How does Amazon put Walmart out of business when you can buy Amazon from anywhere in the country? Does Amazon have stores like Walmart does that I don't know about?

Same way amazon put borders out of business, by taking their customers.

You mean they didn't do it with tax abatements? Image that.

Why would you want the government to give one an advantage over the other?

 

[Brain357]

Explained Mercatus scholar Tad DeHaven, then a budget analyst at the Cato Institute: “Corporate welfare often subsidizes failing and mismanaged businesses and induces firms to spend more time on lobbying rather than on making better products. Instead of correcting market failures, federal subsidies misallocate resources and introduce government failures into the marketplace.”

 

[Uncensored2008]

Uh... ok. Well you were saying I vigorously defend and promote taxes - which is pure horseshit. Is this more of your trolling because I refuse to support Trump?

You are in this thread howling about not just the idea of tax breaks as stimulus, but the lowering of taxes. You threw out your newly WOKE bullshit that lowering taxes is bad because "our children will pay for them."

It's not my fault you thew over Ron Paul for Bernie Sanders.

 

[Brain357]

Uh... ok. Well you were saying I vigorously defend and promote taxes - which is pure horseshit. Is this more of your trolling because I refuse to support Trump?

You are in this thread howling about not just the idea of tax breaks as stimulus, but the lowering of taxes. You threw out your newly WOKE bullshit that lowering taxes is bad because "our children will pay for them."

It's not my fault you thew over Ron Paul for Bernie Sanders.

You think Ron Paul is for deals like Foxconn?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Tell me, what would you view as a "fair" tax of corporate profits, 90%? 95%?

I don't think there should BE a corporate tax. Did you get into daniel's stash?

That's funny, given your woke outrage at tax cuts. Weren't you just pushing the Bernie line that we better not cut taxes, or our children will pay for them?

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Same way amazon put borders out of business, by taking their customers.

Should it be illegal to take another companies customers? Perhaps an "anti dog eat dog" law?

 

[Brain357]

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Same way amazon put borders out of business, by taking their customers.

Should it be illegal to take another companies customers? Perhaps an "anti dog eat dog" law?

It should be illegal for the government to give one company an advantage over another.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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The pretend economist who doesn’t know that good capitalism has as little government involvement is back. You crack me up!

DERP.

Fucking moron.

EYE IZ A FREEEEEE MARCUT CAPADILIAC JES AZ LONG AS GUBMINT IS CONTROLLING IT...

You don't know what capitalism is, retard.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Same way amazon put borders out of business, by taking their customers.

Should it be illegal to take another companies customers? Perhaps an "anti dog eat dog" law?

It should be illegal for the government to give one company an advantage over another.

Doesn't government give a company an advantage when they build a freeway nearby? When they install street lights? When they fix a pot hole in the street near the business? When they award contracts for goods and services?

You're not very bright, braindead.

 

[Brain357]

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The pretend economist who doesn’t know that good capitalism has as little government involvement is back. You crack me up!

DERP.

Fucking moron.

EYE IZ A FREEEEEE MARCUT CAPADILIAC JES AZ LONG AS GUBMINT IS CONTROLLING IT...

You don't know what capitalism is, retard.

Says the guy who thinks more government involvement is good capitalism.

 

[Uncensored2008]

[
The pretend economist who doesn’t know that good capitalism has as little government involvement is back. You crack me up!

DERP.

Fucking moron.

EYE IZ A FREEEEEE MARCUT CAPADILIAC JES AZ LONG AS GUBMINT IS CONTROLLING IT...

You don't know what capitalism is, retard.

Says the guy who thinks more government involvement is good capitalism.

If you only had a brain...