Behold the $15 LED light bulb

[uscitizen]

Umm CFL's are not really about global warming, they are about not having to build new power plants or upgrade our power distribution grid saving hundreds of billions or trillions that would be passed on to consumers.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Then came CFL industry and all of their efforts and toolings that NEVER would have needed to be created with the BETTER option of LED lighting waiting in the wings. Except that because of an ARBITRARY deadline set by Congress, we couldn't wait for the BETTER approach just a few years off. That's like junking 2 entire industries to get one.

CFLs were not mandated, high efficiency bulbs were. The result is completion to produce better products which is occurring in both CFLs, LED, and incandescents. These are different technologies, each with it's own advantages. The bottom line will be customers will have more choice and better products to chose from due to the legislation.

The Energy Independence Bill of 2007 is far from being arbitrary. California has mandated the elimination of incandescent bulbs. New Jersey and Connecticut had pending legislation. In addition the EU, and 15 countries have banned low efficiency bulbs. Reducing air pollution and our energy needs are certainly in best interest of the nation and are not arbitrary decisions.

Virtually all-common household incandescent bulbs are manufactured overseas in highly automated factories thus there is very little US job lost.

Your inference that market decisions are always the right decision for the nation is ridiculous. We drive safer, less polluting, more efficient automobiles because years ago the government pushed automakers to build such cars. Sleeping pills for children, high sugar cereals, asbestos, and lead paints are just a few examples of where the market got it all wrong.

BTW, this morning at Home Depot, I saw 4 packs of 60 watt equivalent CFLs for $3.56 a package. That’s 89 cents each for a bulb that draws 13 watts of power, with a 10,000-hour normal life and a 9-year warranty. On the same shelf there were 4 packs of 60 watt incandescent for $1.99. That’s 49 cents a bulb; draw a full 60 watts of power, with a 1500-hour normal life, and a 1-year warranty. Looking at the math, there is a huge cost advantage to CFLs.

The government got it right this time.

Do you actually believe that the legislation spurred competition and more efficient bulbs?

BTW, the Home Depot website shows that their lowest priced CFL is $4 for a single bulb.

Also, GE says their bulbs have a 2 year warranty, which they have to offer to get the Energy Star rating. That happens to be the longest warranty I can find online anywhere. What bargain basement manufacturer is offering a 9 year warranty on a bulb with a life expectancy that, if burned 24 hours a day, will not last more than 14 months?

 

[whitehall]

Umm CFL's are not really about global warming, they are about not having to build new power plants or upgrade our power distribution grid saving hundreds of billions or trillions that would be passed on to consumers.

Well, lets get shovel ready jobs to build new power plants. What are we going to fuel them with? Libyan oil? Coal? Democrats say the US can't be independent of foreign energy because it just ain't fair to the rest of the world. The Russians have bulldozed an entire forest in the Ukarane to build a solar plant that spans 250 football fields. That should be ugly enough to be noteworthy. It might be visible from space too.

 

[Big Fitz]

Umm CFL's are not really about global warming, they are about not having to build new power plants or upgrade our power distribution grid saving hundreds of billions or trillions that would be passed on to consumers.

How about we do the smart things, build more coal, hydro and nuclear power plants with the best ROI and create both jobs in this country and expand our power supply for future GROWTH not just stagnating and slowly dying while the rest of the world passes us by?

Just sayin.

 

[Big Fitz]

Using rubber gloves and opening the windows to air out the room is too tough on you?

at least it's better than CFLs which are a fucking joke. I don't even have to wear rubber gloves or open a window if an incandescent breaks. But why break a 15 buck bulb when a 15 cent is available? well at least till the law banned it so the lightbulb companies can make more money by fixing the market against the consumer.

CFLs aren't $15 bucks. At least get your arguments straight before you post. How can you keep embarrassing yourself like that? It just shows how shallow this whole "libertarian" philosophy is that they'd make such a stink over a bulb that saves 75% on energy, but will "drill, baby, drill" until every bit of pristine landscape is covered in oil!!!

Comprehension failure YET again I see Konnie?

 

[Big Fitz]

Using rubber gloves and opening the windows to air out the room is too tough on you?

at least it's better than CFLs which are a fucking joke. I don't even have to wear rubber gloves or open a window if an incandescent breaks. But why break a 15 buck bulb when a 15 cent is available? well at least till the law banned it so the lightbulb companies can make more money by fixing the market against the consumer.

CFLs aren't $15 bucks. At least get your arguments straight before you post. How can you keep embarrassing yourself like that? It just shows how shallow this whole "libertarian" philosophy is that they'd make such a stink over a bulb that saves 75% on energy, but will "drill, baby, drill" until every bit of pristine landscape is covered in oil!!!

Oh, and another point. Drill baby Drill produces DOMESTIC employment, and wealth for this nation as well as independence from foreign powers control over our lives. Very libertarian.

You assume, wrongly, as well that the energy savings is more than enough to counteract the offense created by having them FORCED on us by law. Not to mention the fact that CFLs are already being shown to be a cause for seizures, migraines and other quality of life illness. They also do not work in the cold, or handle vibrations well unlike incandescent. They still cost 5-10 times more than an incandescent with little to no discernible improvement to quality and provide an environmental hazard.

All while "Contherving energy for the coming cry-thith" known as the fraud of Global Warming.

So, a bad solution by big government force, for a crisis that does not exit for the sake of engaging in economic and Societal Luddite behavior.

Fucking hack know-nothing.

 

[Avatar9]

Oh, and another point. Drill baby Drill produces DOMESTIC employment, and wealth for this nation as well as independence from foreign powers control over our lives. Very libertarian.

1) That oil goes straight to the world market. America doesn't get first dibs. Unless you want to nationalize the oil supply...

2) It doesn't produce wealth for America. It produces wealth for the multi-national corporations which already hide funds offshore to avoid paying taxes.

 

[whitehall]

Oh, and another point. Drill baby Drill produces DOMESTIC employment, and wealth for this nation as well as independence from foreign powers control over our lives. Very libertarian.

1) That oil goes straight to the world market. America doesn't get first dibs. Unless you want to nationalize the oil supply...

2) It doesn't produce wealth for America. It produces wealth for the multi-national corporations which already hide funds offshore to avoid paying taxes.

Cheap energy translates to wealth for Americans. American industry produces jobs for Americans. Drill baby drill is the only solution to the maliase of the Barry/greenie/commie administration.

 

[flacaltenn]

Then came CFL industry and all of their efforts and toolings that NEVER would have needed to be created with the BETTER option of LED lighting waiting in the wings. Except that because of an ARBITRARY deadline set by Congress, we couldn't wait for the BETTER approach just a few years off. That's like junking 2 entire industries to get one.

CFLs were not mandated, high efficiency bulbs were. The result is completion to produce better products which is occurring in both CFLs, LED, and incandescents. These are different technologies, each with it's own advantages. The bottom line will be customers will have more choice and better products to chose from due to the legislation.

The Energy Independence Bill of 2007 is far from being arbitrary. California has mandated the elimination of incandescent bulbs. New Jersey and Connecticut had pending legislation. In addition the EU, and 15 countries have banned low efficiency bulbs. Reducing air pollution and our energy needs are certainly in best interest of the nation and are not arbitrary decisions.

Virtually all-common household incandescent bulbs are manufactured overseas in highly automated factories thus there is very little US job lost.

Your inference that market decisions are always the right decision for the nation is ridiculous. We drive safer, less polluting, more efficient automobiles because years ago the government pushed automakers to build such cars. Sleeping pills for children, high sugar cereals, asbestos, and lead paints are just a few examples of where the market got it all wrong.

BTW, this morning at Home Depot, I saw 4 packs of 60 watt equivalent CFLs for $3.56 a package. That’s 89 cents each for a bulb that draws 13 watts of power, with a 10,000-hour normal life and a 9-year warranty. On the same shelf there were 4 packs of 60 watt incandescent for $1.99. That’s 49 cents a bulb; draw a full 60 watts of power, with a 1500-hour normal life, and a 1-year warranty. Looking at the math, there is a huge cost advantage to CFLs.

The government got it right this time.

Absolute BS.. According to the government standard, Incandescents are dead. There is no way to meet the standards. They killed them.. Insisting that's not so is brain-dead.
What's more peculiar is that incandescents are actually 100% efficient in an indoor setting where HVAC is currently heating the area.. That's about 1/3 of the year in most areas. But that is of no consequence in calculating by the govt methods.

CFLs are only a stop-gap technology that developed SOLELY to meet the anticipated and later enacted standard. They cannot be adapted to all current fixures, they are HUGE toxic load on the enviroment, and their warm-up and lifetime in ACTUAL use is still in question.

It's fine by me that California wants to legislates itself into oblivion. I don't live there anymore largely because of looming leftist inspired collapse. But don't invoke their name to prove that the goals and timeline of this law are not arbitrary..

The bottom line will be customers will have more choice and better products to chose from due to the legislation.

No -- the bottom line is incandescent WON'T be a consumer choice except for tiny fixtures and appliance lights. CFLs will be a BAD choice having existed solely for the purpose of patchworking this legislation. And LED lighting will dominate the market for replacement lighting within the next 5 years. The govt will look like the fools they are for foisting CFLs on people just to meet an arbitrary timeline. It's like setting a timeline for withdrawal in Afghanistan without regards to the facts on the ground.

And "high sugar cereals" are next Flopper?? Don't you guys have anything better to do than dream of all the laws you want OTHER PEOPLE to obey? Also the GOVERNMENT didn't invent 3 point seatbelts, airbags, radial tires, crumple zone frames, and Hybrids. The FREE MARKET invented, produced, and offered these items. All before they were mandated.

The govt however IS in the process of mandating LESS SAFE cars -- since the experts have told them that safety WILL be jeopardized in order to meet the proposed CAFE revisions.

 

[Flopper]

Then came CFL industry and all of their efforts and toolings that NEVER would have needed to be created with the BETTER option of LED lighting waiting in the wings. Except that because of an ARBITRARY deadline set by Congress, we couldn't wait for the BETTER approach just a few years off. That's like junking 2 entire industries to get one.

CFLs were not mandated, high efficiency bulbs were. The result is completion to produce better products which is occurring in both CFLs, LED, and incandescents. These are different technologies, each with it's own advantages. The bottom line will be customers will have more choice and better products to chose from due to the legislation.

The Energy Independence Bill of 2007 is far from being arbitrary. California has mandated the elimination of incandescent bulbs. New Jersey and Connecticut had pending legislation. In addition the EU, and 15 countries have banned low efficiency bulbs. Reducing air pollution and our energy needs are certainly in best interest of the nation and are not arbitrary decisions.

Virtually all-common household incandescent bulbs are manufactured overseas in highly automated factories thus there is very little US job lost.

Your inference that market decisions are always the right decision for the nation is ridiculous. We drive safer, less polluting, more efficient automobiles because years ago the government pushed automakers to build such cars. Sleeping pills for children, high sugar cereals, asbestos, and lead paints are just a few examples of where the market got it all wrong.

BTW, this morning at Home Depot, I saw 4 packs of 60 watt equivalent CFLs for $3.56 a package. That’s 89 cents each for a bulb that draws 13 watts of power, with a 10,000-hour normal life and a 9-year warranty. On the same shelf there were 4 packs of 60 watt incandescent for $1.99. That’s 49 cents a bulb; draw a full 60 watts of power, with a 1500-hour normal life, and a 1-year warranty. Looking at the math, there is a huge cost advantage to CFLs.

The government got it right this time.

Do you actually believe that the legislation spurred competition and more efficient bulbs?

BTW, the Home Depot website shows that their lowest priced CFL is $4 for a single bulb.

Also, GE says their bulbs have a 2 year warranty, which they have to offer to get the Energy Star rating. That happens to be the longest warranty I can find online anywhere. What bargain basement manufacturer is offering a 9 year warranty on a bulb with a life expectancy that, if burned 24 hours a day, will not last more than 14 months?

I was wrong. $2.85 for a 4 pack of 60watt equivalents at Home Depot, not $3.56. I guess the price dropped.

Electrical - Light Bulbs - Compact & Tube Fluorescents - Compact Fluorescents at The Home Depot

 

[Quantum Windbag]

CFLs were not mandated, high efficiency bulbs were. The result is completion to produce better products which is occurring in both CFLs, LED, and incandescents. These are different technologies, each with it's own advantages. The bottom line will be customers will have more choice and better products to chose from due to the legislation.

The Energy Independence Bill of 2007 is far from being arbitrary. California has mandated the elimination of incandescent bulbs. New Jersey and Connecticut had pending legislation. In addition the EU, and 15 countries have banned low efficiency bulbs. Reducing air pollution and our energy needs are certainly in best interest of the nation and are not arbitrary decisions.

Virtually all-common household incandescent bulbs are manufactured overseas in highly automated factories thus there is very little US job lost.

Your inference that market decisions are always the right decision for the nation is ridiculous. We drive safer, less polluting, more efficient automobiles because years ago the government pushed automakers to build such cars. Sleeping pills for children, high sugar cereals, asbestos, and lead paints are just a few examples of where the market got it all wrong.

BTW, this morning at Home Depot, I saw 4 packs of 60 watt equivalent CFLs for $3.56 a package. That’s 89 cents each for a bulb that draws 13 watts of power, with a 10,000-hour normal life and a 9-year warranty. On the same shelf there were 4 packs of 60 watt incandescent for $1.99. That’s 49 cents a bulb; draw a full 60 watts of power, with a 1500-hour normal life, and a 1-year warranty. Looking at the math, there is a huge cost advantage to CFLs.

The government got it right this time.

Do you actually believe that the legislation spurred competition and more efficient bulbs?

BTW, the Home Depot website shows that their lowest priced CFL is $4 for a single bulb.

Also, GE says their bulbs have a 2 year warranty, which they have to offer to get the Energy Star rating. That happens to be the longest warranty I can find online anywhere. What bargain basement manufacturer is offering a 9 year warranty on a bulb with a life expectancy that, if burned 24 hours a day, will not last more than 14 months?

I was wrong. $2.85 for a 4 pack of 60watt equivalents at Home Depot, not $3.56. I guess the price dropped.

Electrical - Light Bulbs - Compact & Tube Fluorescents - Compact Fluorescents at The Home Depot

It must have gone up again.

The least expensive four pack is $5.85 at that link. That might be because I live in CA, where incandescent are not available. (Gotta love government mandated competition.)

I still want to know about the 9 year warranty on bulbs that do not have two years of life.

 

[Flopper]

Then came CFL industry and all of their efforts and toolings that NEVER would have needed to be created with the BETTER option of LED lighting waiting in the wings. Except that because of an ARBITRARY deadline set by Congress, we couldn't wait for the BETTER approach just a few years off. That's like junking 2 entire industries to get one.

CFLs were not mandated, high efficiency bulbs were. The result is completion to produce better products which is occurring in both CFLs, LED, and incandescents. These are different technologies, each with it's own advantages. The bottom line will be customers will have more choice and better products to chose from due to the legislation.

The Energy Independence Bill of 2007 is far from being arbitrary. California has mandated the elimination of incandescent bulbs. New Jersey and Connecticut had pending legislation. In addition the EU, and 15 countries have banned low efficiency bulbs. Reducing air pollution and our energy needs are certainly in best interest of the nation and are not arbitrary decisions.

Virtually all-common household incandescent bulbs are manufactured overseas in highly automated factories thus there is very little US job lost.

Your inference that market decisions are always the right decision for the nation is ridiculous. We drive safer, less polluting, more efficient automobiles because years ago the government pushed automakers to build such cars. Sleeping pills for children, high sugar cereals, asbestos, and lead paints are just a few examples of where the market got it all wrong.

BTW, this morning at Home Depot, I saw 4 packs of 60 watt equivalent CFLs for $3.56 a package. That’s 89 cents each for a bulb that draws 13 watts of power, with a 10,000-hour normal life and a 9-year warranty. On the same shelf there were 4 packs of 60 watt incandescent for $1.99. That’s 49 cents a bulb; draw a full 60 watts of power, with a 1500-hour normal life, and a 1-year warranty. Looking at the math, there is a huge cost advantage to CFLs.

The government got it right this time.

Absolute BS.. According to the government standard, Incandescents are dead. There is no way to meet the standards. They killed them.. Insisting that's not so is brain-dead.
What's more peculiar is that incandescents are actually 100% efficient in an indoor setting where HVAC is currently heating the area.. That's about 1/3 of the year in most areas. But that is of no consequence in calculating by the govt methods.

CFLs are only a stop-gap technology that developed SOLELY to meet the anticipated and later enacted standard. They cannot be adapted to all current fixures, they are HUGE toxic load on the enviroment, and their warm-up and lifetime in ACTUAL use is still in question.

It's fine by me that California wants to legislates itself into oblivion. I don't live there anymore largely because of looming leftist inspired collapse. But don't invoke their name to prove that the goals and timeline of this law are not arbitrary..

The bottom line will be customers will have more choice and better products to chose from due to the legislation.

No -- the bottom line is incandescent WON'T be a consumer choice except for tiny fixtures and appliance lights. CFLs will be a BAD choice having existed solely for the purpose of patchworking this legislation. And LED lighting will dominate the market for replacement lighting within the next 5 years. The govt will look like the fools they are for foisting CFLs on people just to meet an arbitrary timeline. It's like setting a timeline for withdrawal in Afghanistan without regards to the facts on the ground.

And "high sugar cereals" are next Flopper?? Don't you guys have anything better to do than dream of all the laws you want OTHER PEOPLE to obey? Also the GOVERNMENT didn't invent 3 point seatbelts, airbags, radial tires, crumple zone frames, and Hybrids. The FREE MARKET invented, produced, and offered these items. All before they were mandated.

The govt however IS in the process of mandating LESS SAFE cars -- since the experts have told them that safety WILL be jeopardized in order to meet the proposed CAFE revisions.

A light bulb where most of the electricity produces heat and not light is not an efficient bulb. Any advantage you get in winter from the additional heat you lose in summer.

Without the phase out of low efficiency incandescents in the US and abroad, we would not have the amount of development in LED bulbs that we are seeing now, 71 cent 60 watt CFLs, and the new high efficiency halogen bulbs. Phillips recently has come up with a solid state lamp that will last a minimum of 25,000 hours and mimics the color on an incandescent bulb.

 

[editec]

My LED hand powered flashlight with three LED bulbs cost $6 RETAIL

But we are asked to believe that one LED bulb costs $15?

 

[Avatar9]

Cheap energy translates to wealth for Americans.

That's nice. Shame spilling more oil in the gulf doesn't magically provide any such thing.

American industry produces jobs for Americans

Agreed. So let's start using tariff and levies to disfranchisement outsourcing and bring back American industry.

Drill baby drill is the only solution to the maliase of the Barry/greenie/commie administration.

How, exactly, do more oil spills solve anything? Do you have anything other than tired slogans?

 

[Big Fitz]

Oh, and another point. Drill baby Drill produces DOMESTIC employment, and wealth for this nation as well as independence from foreign powers control over our lives. Very libertarian.

1) That oil goes straight to the world market. America doesn't get first dibs. Unless you want to nationalize the oil supply...

2) It doesn't produce wealth for America. It produces wealth for the multi-national corporations which already hide funds offshore to avoid paying taxes.

You idiot.

1) That oil goes straight to the world market. America doesn't get first dibs. Unless you want to nationalize the oil supply...

No shit sherlock! America exports petroleum products all the time. They're mostly in highly technical specialty lubricants and other products.

Secondly, increase supply means DECREASED PRICES

Thirdly, if foreign oil prices increase or is embargoed, we can turn to our own domestic supply and continue on even though price goes up which ENSURES DOMESTIC SECURITY!

Fourth, There is nothing in the books that says that domestic supply cannot STAY domestic breaking the back of other nation's dominance and thereby keeping our wealth home.

Fifth, Domestic energy production creates domestic jobs and weath, thereby increasing the national GDP and health of this nation, strengthening the dollar and helping us pay back our debts IF we had some smart people in washington willing to do the right thing!

2) It doesn't produce wealth for America. It produces wealth for the multi-national corporations which already hide funds offshore to avoid paying taxes.

Oh for the love a pete, you are one dumb sonovabitch.

1. Every person who owns oil stocks profits in a company. That includes American investors and investment funds.

2. Jobs in America make jobs for Americans. Or are these oil companies going to import workers from all over the world to keep it out of American hands and supply them completely so nothing enters the American economy... no, there will be no impact to the positive for every last related industry to this if they are owned by foreign companies with world wide investors.

3. Who created all those convenient laws in which corporations hide wealth? Globalist trade fans. Most of those were liberal ideas to help foreign nations 'improve themselves' and do the whole 'fair trade' thing and tariff free thing. What they never bothered to look at was the impact on our economy. So you set the stage by giving all these benefits to companies to move to cheaper economies, hide their wealth and all that. But you also never ask the question "WHY are they doing this?" Ever consider for a split second the reasons why?

You give them the ability with the laws like NAFTA, CAFTA, FTAA, Most Priviledge Trading Status and all that. You then motivate them more by passing onerous taxation laws (like double taxing foreign profits for one) and hideous regulations like the Lacey Act that just raided Gibson Guitar. You bolster industry killing unions and find busy work for your thousands of lawyers by having a litigeous nightmare known as the corporate law and intellectual properties laws that drive expenses through the roof! You go so far as to make it nigh impossible to get new industrial infrastructure built, and support every whacko nutty group possible to make industry's life a living hell because they're too busy playing Mad Hatter and March Hare to realize that profit affords them the ability to buy their fucking Birkenstocks and Crocks!

Do you have ZERO context of the interconnections of industry, labor and profit in the world markets? Hmmm? I hazard to say no! You can't spend sanctimonious clap trap and self righteousness too well can you?

Energy is wealth.
Energy is work.
Energy is Options.
Energy is Freedom.

The cheaper energy is, the more of all those things you accomplish. To want less is to be a fool and a nihilist. Two things we need to export out of this nation.

 

[Big Fitz]

Cheap energy translates to wealth for Americans.

That's nice. Shame spilling more oil in the gulf doesn't magically provide any such thing.

American industry produces jobs for Americans

Agreed. So let's start using tariff and levies to disfranchisement outsourcing and bring back American industry.

Drill baby drill is the only solution to the maliase of the Barry/greenie/commie administration.

How, exactly, do more oil spills solve anything? Do you have anything other than tired slogans?

you think Deepwater Horizon was bad? Why is it the worst of the impact is in the 15000 petroleum jobs lost due to a government ban, interference by the Coast Guard on orders to stop the state and communities affected from cleaning it up with booms and skimmers, and the fishing industry suffered only a minor hiccup save the paranoia caused by fear mongering in the media? Most economic hardship and damage was caused entirely by the US Government and media which still hurts us to this day, while the oil... strangely has been sequestered and is being consumed by nature.

Try this one.

Ixtoc I oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BTW, you can't find much evidence of it ever happening 32 years later. Aren't those things supposed to take hundreds of years to clean up? The section on long term effects is disputed and wikipedia knows it BTW as it makes claims of damage that have not been verified.

BTW, if you think it would be better to use detergents and what not? I have heard from a few natives who lived in the area as well as some reports, the only areas of the Prince William Sound STILL dead is where econazis 'helped' clean the shores.

As for using protectionist tactics to bring jobs back, yeah, that's all fine and dandy, but do you even understand the logistical costs to this nation?

1. Prices will go up (very bad in this economy for consumption will then drop) because foreign products will get VERY expensive.

2. Our exports will drop to those nations because they will retaliate in a trade war. This will hurt manufacturing even more and cost possibly a few million more jobs.

3. Companies will still not be able to rebuild 'dirty' industries here due to the onerous eco regulations for industries like smelting and raw materials processing and mining. All things the econazis are fighting and too many localities are getting on the NIMBY bandwagon. Did you know in MN they have discovered a larger iron and mineral deposits up near the Messabi that dwarf the original iron range finds that supplied most of what this nation made in WW2 to the 70's? But econazis are blocking it's use to make this state rich again with jobs aplenty.

You have to get government out of the way on all levels to increase the health of this nation's economy. You don't have to be stupid about it, but you have to start competing globally and that includes not trying to make your state a nature preserve or 'museum exhibit' with "Do Not Touch" signs everywhere.

How does your assumption that oil spills will happen constantly? You set up a false premise fixed to give the result you want. Nobody's saying go ahead and spill oil, they're saying drill but be responsible.

Life has risks. If you're not willing to accept reasonable risks, just go stick a gun in your mouth. You're not bright enough to survive here and need to get out of the way of the rest of the sane people who can.

 

[Old Rocks]

Ol' Fritz once again ignores that we have less than 3% of the world's oil reserves, and use 24% of the world's oil. There is no way that we can drill our way to oil independence. You want to see $30 a gallon gas overnight, embargo foreign oil.

 

[Old Rocks]

Cheap energy translates to wealth for Americans.

That's nice. Shame spilling more oil in the gulf doesn't magically provide any such thing.

Agreed. So let's start using tariff and levies to disfranchisement outsourcing and bring back American industry.

Drill baby drill is the only solution to the maliase of the Barry/greenie/commie administration.

How, exactly, do more oil spills solve anything? Do you have anything other than tired slogans?

you think Deepwater Horizon was bad? Why is it the worst of the impact is in the 15000 petroleum jobs lost due to a government ban, interference by the Coast Guard on orders to stop the state and communities affected from cleaning it up with booms and skimmers, and the fishing industry suffered only a minor hiccup save the paranoia caused by fear mongering in the media? Most economic hardship and damage was caused entirely by the US Government and media which still hurts us to this day, while the oil... strangely has been sequestered and is being consumed by nature.

Try this one.

Ixtoc I oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BTW, you can't find much evidence of it ever happening 32 years later. Aren't those things supposed to take hundreds of years to clean up? The section on long term effects is disputed and wikipedia knows it BTW as it makes claims of damage that have not been verified.

BTW, if you think it would be better to use detergents and what not? I have heard from a few natives who lived in the area as well as some reports, the only areas of the Prince William Sound STILL dead is where econazis 'helped' clean the shores.

As for using protectionist tactics to bring jobs back, yeah, that's all fine and dandy, but do you even understand the logistical costs to this nation?

1. Prices will go up (very bad in this economy for consumption will then drop) because foreign products will get VERY expensive.

2. Our exports will drop to those nations because they will retaliate in a trade war. This will hurt manufacturing even more and cost possibly a few million more jobs.

3. Companies will still not be able to rebuild 'dirty' industries here due to the onerous eco regulations for industries like smelting and raw materials processing and mining. All things the econazis are fighting and too many localities are getting on the NIMBY bandwagon. Did you know in MN they have discovered a larger iron and mineral deposits up near the Messabi that dwarf the original iron range finds that supplied most of what this nation made in WW2 to the 70's? But econazis are blocking it's use to make this state rich again with jobs aplenty.

You have to get government out of the way on all levels to increase the health of this nation's economy. You don't have to be stupid about it, but you have to start competing globally and that includes not trying to make your state a nature preserve or 'museum exhibit' with "Do Not Touch" signs everywhere.

How does your assumption that oil spills will happen constantly? You set up a false premise fixed to give the result you want. Nobody's saying go ahead and spill oil, they're saying drill but be responsible.

Life has risks. If you're not willing to accept reasonable risks, just go stick a gun in your mouth. You're not bright enough to survive here and need to get out of the way of the rest of the sane people who can.

Let' go back to 1910
When men were men
And start the first world war all over again.
We're Barry's Boys

LOL.

 

[Old Rocks]

My LED hand powered flashlight with three LED bulbs cost $6 RETAIL

But we are asked to believe that one LED bulb costs $15?

I think the problem is that LEDs require DC.

 

[flacaltenn]

A light bulb where most of the electricity produces heat and not light is not an efficient bulb. Any advantage you get in winter from the additional heat you lose in summer.

Technically speaking, the efficiency of incandescents ARE at least 30% better than the government standard BECAUSE of that nasty engineering observation.. So the Fed standard is crappy and childish in it's interpretation of efficiency isn't it? Not like bureaucrates to see if installing LED replacements in Traffic Lights are gonna cause accidents in Minnesota winters because the snow now blocks the lamp. (True story)..

So I guess the government solution is to install HEATERS alongside these EFFICIENT LED traffic light bulbs eh Flopper??