Because They Are Terrorists

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    So terrorism is not a reason for not talking to Hamas – it's just an excuse (and a pretty good one too, alas). One should also remember that Hamas has never struck outside Israel/Palestine, so that any attempt to portray it as part of global terrorism is futile. Moreover, Hamas has been observing, almost without exception, the Tahdiyya or "lull" it took upon itself a year and a half ago. (The Qassam missiles and occasional terror attacks on Israelis are the work of other Palestinian organizations.) There is massive evidence, therefore, that in spite of its radical Islamist rhetoric and its support for terror attacks, Hamas is predominantly a Palestinian liberation movement, which, like so many other liberation movements in history – from the Irgun to the FLN – resorts to terrorism as a (deplorable, but not inherent) tactic.

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    Yes, the youth are a movement indeed. We have been discussing that already.

    A one state solution is no solution though P F. You will get nowhere with that view. Neither will the young Arabs coming up and demanding to be heard. The young Jews will surely be heard.

    I've already heard many of the young Hamas and MB and they don't sound all that moderate to me, but talking face to face?

    Why not? No intermediaries is not the Hamas way so we shall see. They are at least talking in the right direction. Who knows?
     
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    The one state solution is the only solution; segregation didn't work here and it won't work there either. Both people have legitimate claims to the land. Let them share it without the burden of racist excuses for exclusivity.

    again, the one state solution is the ONLY solution.
     
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    The "two state solution" has been on the table since 1937. How is it going for you?
     
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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCCA7h3iU4o]YouTube - Blaming Jews - Islamic antisemitism part 3 of 4[/ame]
     
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    Israel doesn't have to grant rights to arabs who aren't even in Israel. They never will. This is not about segregation. You are talking about destroying Israel and creating another country and you compare with segregation. Look to your slavery before you look to your segregation Shogun.

    A one state solution is calling for the destruction of Israel. Even the Arabians in the area know this is not possible. Just the fanatics who want Israel destroyed wish this to be so and the demographics show their perfidy out.
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5bL4uduiqk&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - Arab Terrorists Use Of UN Ambulance[/ame]
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owMoT1MKXDQ]YouTube - Palestinian Suicide Terrorists Farewell Videos[/ame]
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoH19b1TrZo]YouTube - Shocking testimonials about HAMAS[/ame]
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR8Tfd0i4lY]YouTube - Hamas Kids Play[/ame]
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82DqXmvDXXg]YouTube - Gaza Hamas Prepares Suicide Bombing Bomber Rhetoric of Hatred[/ame]
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ8P_u0rb4E]YouTube - History of the Hamas movement[/ame]
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyWdE2N-o20]YouTube - Hamas Spokesman Abd al-Aziz al-Rantisi on al-Jazeera[/ame]

    No, we've got enough Arabs with 20% in Israel right now. :razz:
     
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    Are we admitting palistan is a failed state yet?
     
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    To the contrary, Israel is a failed state. It is a castle built on sand.
     
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    If the postulate were true, we wouldn't be seeing palistanians lowing and winging, like hungry cats, trying to wiggle their way into Israel to bilk infidel Social security. But their master scheme is no different from the one being implemeted against the United States - "The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions." Death to jooze, death to america, death to infidels, same old muslim news.
     
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    If your opinion is that it takes JEWS to comprise an Isreal then you are no better than those who think the same about CAUCASIANS making up the USA. Sorry to burst your racist little bubble.

    You can post as many videos as you'd like; they are all indication of social unrest based on one thing: your inability to see them as anything other than "THEM" in the "US vs. THEM" paradigm. We here in the US played that same game too. It resulted in the Black Panther movement which would have become just as violent had whitey not gotten the message. You are no different even if you'd like to think so.

    After all, nothing is more ironic than a jew crying about being hated while validating his own hatred of non-jews in israel. If you can't share it then I have no tears to shed for you.
     

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