Bait And Switch on Obamacare

I truly thought that would have been unconstitutional.....the part where we can be coerced to buy insurance from a private business....I could accept being forced in to a universal single health care plan like medicare, where insurance from the private sector for profit is merely optional, but i really thought this private sector thingy would be out of our federal gvts legitimate reach...

Roberts ruled that way because the mandate is based on exactly the same principle as the common practice of manipulating us through tax incentives. And he recognized, correctly if corruptly, that ruling against the mandate would risk undoing countless pillars of accepted state power.

In other words, if he ruled that it's wrong to force people to pay higher taxes for not buying insurance, why should government be able to tax people more who don't take out home loans? If forcing people to choose between paying higher taxes or buying insurance isn't allowed then, buy the same principle, it's also wrong to force them to choose between going into debt for a home, or paying higher taxes.
so true....a couple with equal income as matt and me that mortgaged their home, gets to pay less in federal income taxes than matt and me, who paid cash for our home.... you'd think we should be the couple getting a reward for our good stewardship of managing our money.... :D instead the banks are indirectly rewarded with such tax policy, and the borrowing couple directly with a tax break.... strange tax policies abound!
 
Stop it! You guys are starting to make sense. lol

Still bait and switch on the whole package, but you're making the ruling start to make sense!



... except that if we really accept the tax argument then we have to go back to the question of why the court even ruled on it at all. If it was a tax then that was supposed to make the case moot, right? They were supposed to say, "You have to wait to bring this case until after people start paying the tax in 2014." Right?
 
so true....a couple with equal income as matt and me that mortgaged their home, gets to pay less in federal income taxes than matt and me, who paid cash for our home.... you'd think we should be the couple getting a reward for our good stewardship of managing our money.... :D instead the banks are indirectly rewarded with such tax policy, and the borrowing couple directly with a tax break.... strange tax policies abound!

These policies almost always represent indirect financial benefit for highly motivated lobbying groups. That's how they get pushed through in the first place. The ACA mandate was no different. The mandate is a lucrative 'benefit' offered to the insurance industry in exchange for them letting government in on the action.

The only thing different about the mandate was the wording, obfuscating intent so the chickenshit congress could pretend they weren't raising taxes.
 
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reducing annual increases in payments that health care providers would otherwise receive from Medicare.

well this should keep doctors wanting to stay in business

but the Guberment needs MORE TAXES from you peons..


Seems I remember Obama saying, during his 2008 campaigning, that he was going to tax or raise the tax on the rich who make an annual income of $250,000.00 or more.

Now it seems that the middle class will take it in the shorts.

When does middle class earn $250,000.00 or more?
 
Where do you people keep getting that it's the middle class that gets taxed? Backing up your statements might be a f@#$@# start.
 
Full List of Obamacare Tax Hikes

Obamacare law contains 20 new or higher taxes on American families and small businesses


Taxpayers are reminded that the President’s healthcare law is one of the largest tax increases in American history.

Obamacare contains 20 new or higher taxes on American families and small businesses.

Arranged by their respective effective dates, below is the total list of all $500 billion-plus in tax hikes (over the next ten years) in Obamacare, where to find them in the bill, and how much your taxes are scheduled to go up as of today:

Taxes that took effect in 2010:

all of them here
Read more: Americans for Tax Reform : Full List of Obamacare Tax Hikes
 
good list Stephanie.


1.1. Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals (Min$/immediate): $50,000 per hospital if they fail to meet new "community health assessment needs," "financial assistance," and "billing and collection" rules set by HHS. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,961-1,971 punitive government takeover

2.. Codification of the “economic substance doctrine” (Tax hike of $4.5 billion). This provision allows the IRS to disallow completely-legal tax deductions and other legal tax-minimizing plans just because the IRS deems that the action lacks “substance” and is merely intended to reduce taxes owed. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 108-113 government takeover
 
Wow. Heaven forbid that any tax loopholes get closed. *facepalm*
 
Where do you people keep getting that it's the middle class that gets taxed? Backing up your statements might be a f@#$@# start.

The middle class are the ones that are paying for their health insurance. We saw the cost go up 9% on average last year due to the implementation of about 40% of Obamacare. We will see at least that much of an increase this year and when the other 60% of Obamacare kicks in, more and more baby boomers retire, and the government buys health insurance for 30 or 40 million more people, the cost will REALLY skyrocket.

I call it an unfunded mandate that we taxpayers will have to fund.
 
Where do you people keep getting that it's the middle class that gets taxed? Backing up your statements might be a f@#$@# start.

The middle class are the ones that are paying for their health insurance. We saw the cost go up 9% on average last year due to the implementation of about 40% of Obamacare. We will see at least that much of an increase this year and when the other 60% of Obamacare kicks in, more and more baby boomers retire, and the government buys health insurance for 30 or 40 million more people, the cost will REALLY skyrocket.

I call it an unfunded mandate that we taxpayers will have to fund.



But you shouldn't mind that. It's the right thing to do. It's your responsibility as a patriotic American to pay for the medical bills of welfare recipients with only two televisions, two cars and one X-box.
 
Where do you people keep getting that it's the middle class that gets taxed? Backing up your statements might be a f@#$@# start.

The middle class are the ones that are paying for their health insurance. We saw the cost go up 9% on average last year due to the implementation of about 40% of Obamacare. We will see at least that much of an increase this year and when the other 60% of Obamacare kicks in, more and more baby boomers retire, and the government buys health insurance for 30 or 40 million more people, the cost will REALLY skyrocket.

I call it an unfunded mandate that we taxpayers will have to fund.



But you shouldn't mind that. It's the right thing to do. It's your responsibility as a patriotic American to pay for the medical bills of welfare recipients with only two televisions, two cars and one X-box.

And this is the typical conservative fear...a bunch of lazy people taking advantage. The problem is...it's not even close to being true.
 
The middle class are the ones that are paying for their health insurance. We saw the cost go up 9% on average last year due to the implementation of about 40% of Obamacare. We will see at least that much of an increase this year and when the other 60% of Obamacare kicks in, more and more baby boomers retire, and the government buys health insurance for 30 or 40 million more people, the cost will REALLY skyrocket.

I call it an unfunded mandate that we taxpayers will have to fund.



But you shouldn't mind that. It's the right thing to do. It's your responsibility as a patriotic American to pay for the medical bills of welfare recipients with only two televisions, two cars and one X-box.

And this is the typical conservative fear...a bunch of lazy people taking advantage. The problem is...it's not even close to being true.

The main thing is, it's our patriotic duty to keep the insurance industry in profits.
 
But you shouldn't mind that. It's the right thing to do. It's your responsibility as a patriotic American to pay for the medical bills of welfare recipients with only two televisions, two cars and one X-box.

And this is the typical conservative fear...a bunch of lazy people taking advantage. The problem is...it's not even close to being true.

The main thing is, it's our patriotic duty to keep the insurance industry in profits.


Well, yes, that too. That's the brilliance of Obama for you. It works on so many levels.
 
Went up 9%? Well it went up 14% every year under Booosh- doubled in 8 years...

Romneycare a great success, none of the PUB doom and gloom.

Frontline said cost rises are now 2%, easily the lowest in the USA. So change the channel...

"For this reason he also provided for subsidies for individuals living below three times the federal poverty line to make insurance affordable. This “three-legged stool”—banning discrimination in insurance markets, mandating that individuals purchase insurance, and providing low-income subsidies for insurance purchase—became the basis for both our reform in Massachusetts and for the Affordable Care Act (ACA).The enormous success of health-care reform in the almost six years since its passage in Massachusetts can make us more confident that this three-legged stool will work for the nation as a whole. We have covered about two-thirds of uninsured Massachusetts residents, and have lowered the premiums in the non-group market by half relative to national premium trends. And we have done so with broad public support. Moreover, this reform succeeded without interfering with the employer-sponsored insurance market that works for most of our residents: employer-sponsored insurance coverage has actually risen in Massachusetts, while falling sharply nationally, and the premiums for employer-sponsored insurance rose no faster in Massachusetts than they did nationally.This was all possible because the individual mandate ended the “death spiral” of trying to obtain fairly priced insurance by just forcing insurers to charge everyone the same price. The bottom line is that we can’t have fairly priced insurance for the healthy and sick alike without the broad participation that is guaranteed by the mandate. The mandate is the spinach we have to eat to get the dessert that is fairly priced insurance coverage.

Actually, RomneyCare is an enormous success « Hot Air HeadlinesMar 27, 2012 ... Actually, RomneyCare is an enormous success. Into this chasm stepped the hero of our story, Governor Mitt Romney, and his plan for ...

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/03/rom...nd-falsehoods/ - Cachedromneycare success - Google Search
 

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