Ayn Rand Kids

[O.R.I.O.N]

Forcing his staff to read her books ...

He believed in her until he realized it would lose him elections but there is no reason to think he has matured in his thinking.

Not surprising is that he and her other fans ignore that she was pro-nazi and pro-abortion. Or that she was pro-welfare (for herself only).

You do realize Ayn Rand was jewish correct? Why would she be pro "nazi"?

Rand was born Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum (Russian: Али́са Зиновьевна Розенбау&#1084 on February 2, 1905, to a Russian Jewish bourgeois[8] family living in Saint Petersburg.

She was pro-white and hated the Communists. All of her "philosophy" flows from that hatred. She wasn't big on your average Jew either, who she thought were ignorant slobs. In general, she was a ,ot of things but a nice person wasn't one of them.

How was Rand pro white? Racism ?Ayn*Rand Lexicon

Since pro white is equated to racism..

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I found a copy of ATlas Shrugged when I was 14.

I bought it because it was thick and I wanted to get my money's worth.

I really like it, BTW.

I actually bought into this woman's POV for a few years until I started working.

That's when her philosophy of GREED IS GOOD started to unravel for me.

Greed is better than apathy. Greed is an inevitable and insatiable human instinct that, if harnessed correctly, drives technological innovation which in turn stimulates economic growth.

There is a need for regulations and public policies that do not ignore human nature. We all understand this when it applies to financial regulation, but for some reason simply choose to ignore it when crafting effective government assistance programs.

I would say that human nature is rarely taken into account period.

 

[Google]

Sure, given a chance, which they never are.

Those property rights sure get in the way of socialist ideals, don't they.

Not really. Capitalism is required for Socialism. You can't have one without first having the other.

You are correct that capitalism is required for socialism. That is because a socialist society first needs a free capitalist society to build all its' infrastructure and institutions. Much like a parasite first needs to let its host develop.

 

[American4Americ]

George Orwell is more my style. I never read Ayn Rand's books.

George Orwell (The person) was an idiot. Though his books were good.

 

[Google]

I found a copy of ATlas Shrugged when I was 14.

I bought it because it was thick and I wanted to get my money's worth.

I really like it, BTW.

I actually bought into this woman's POV for a few years until I started working.

That's when her philosophy of GREED IS GOOD started to unravel for me.

Greed is better than apathy. Greed is an inevitable and insatiable human instinct that, if harnessed correctly, drives technological innovation which in turn stimulates economic growth.

There is a need for regulations and public policies that do not ignore human nature. We all understand this when it applies to financial regulation, but for some reason simply choose to ignore it when crafting effective government assistance programs.

I would say that human nature is rarely taken into account period.

Agreed. One time it was taken into account was Republicans' 1996 welfare reform. It caused a dramatic decrease in welfare usage by setting limitations and work requirements.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You do realize Ayn Rand was jewish correct? Why would she be pro "nazi"?

Rand was born Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum (Russian: Али́са Зиновьевна Розенбау&#1084 on February 2, 1905, to a Russian Jewish bourgeois[8] family living in Saint Petersburg.

She was pro-white and hated the Communists. All of her "philosophy" flows from that hatred. She wasn't big on your average Jew either, who she thought were ignorant slobs. In general, she was a ,ot of things but a nice person wasn't one of them.

How was Rand pro white? Racism ?Ayn*Rand Lexicon

Since pro white is equated to racism..

Whites were the makers, the creators, the producers. The others, low whites and coloreds, were Takers.

Rand being Rand: http://spencerwatch.com/2012/08/16/...-ayn-rands-racist-views-of-arabs-and-muslims/

 

[dblack]

George Orwell is more my style. I never read Ayn Rand's books.

George Orwell (The person) was an idiot. Though his books were good.

Yeah.. Orwell was an utter imbecile. I think his IQ was measured at like 60 or something like that. Sad case.

 

[Contumacious]

The right-wing is worried about the NSA? Really? Where was the Tea Party when Bush signed the USAPATRIOT Act in 2001? There wasn't a Tea Party screaming about big government then, was there??

Liberals + conservatives = Government supremacists

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[HelenaHandbag]

George Orwell is more my style. I never read Ayn Rand's books.

Decent philosopher, horrible novel writer.

Her short stories and collections of essays are much easier to digest and get to the point.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

No wonder Repubs, like Ryan for instance are Randians.

Ayn Rand - RationalWiki

Ryan maybe familiar with Ayn Rand but he is not a Randian.

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Forcing his staff to read her books ...

He believed in her until he realized it would lose him elections but there is no reason to think he has matured in his thinking.

Not surprising is that he and her other fans ignore that she was pro-nazi and pro-abortion. Or that she was pro-welfare (for herself only).

She herself was Jewish.

Aren't you tired of embarrassing yourself yet?

 

[Contumacious]

Sure, given a chance, which they never are.

Those property rights sure get in the way of socialist ideals, don't they.

Not really. Capitalism is required for Socialism. You can't have one without first having the other.

HUH?

How the fuck did you come to that conclusion?

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[bayoubill]

And to maintain highways, schools, hospitals ...

Or do you have your own snowplow?

So, all those things can only be accomplished via compulsion?

You're using and benefiting all those little conveniences, aren't you?

And no, you don't get to choose to benefit but not do your fair share, pay for your fair share.

HH never said she was unwilling to pay her fair share of the cost, asswipe...

 

[bayoubill]

Just out of curiosity, and this is a very real question, where in the heck did all you Ayn Rand kids come from? How did you bump into her? What did she write that so resonates with you?


"Thirty years after her death in March 1982, Ayn Rand’s ideas have never been more important. Unfettered capitalism, unregulated business, bare-bones government providing no social services, glorification of selfishness, disdain for Judeo-Christian morality—these are the tenets of Rand’s harsh philosophy.

In Ayn Rand Nation, Gary Weiss explores the people and institutions that remain under the spell of the Russian-born novelist. He provides new insights into Rand’s inner circle in the last years of her life, with revelations of never-before-publicized predictions by Rand that still resonate today. Weiss charts Rand’s infiltration of the Tea Party and Libertarian movements, and provides an inside look at the radical belief system that has exerted a powerful influence on the Republican Party and its presidential candidates. It’s a fascinating cast of characters that ranges from Glenn Beck to Oliver Stone, and includes Rand’s most influential disciple, Alan Greenspan. Weiss describes in penetrating detail how Greenspan became a stalking horse for Rand—slashing and burning regulations with ideological zeal, and then seeking to conceal her influence on his life and thinking. Lastly, Weiss provides a strategy for a renewed national dialogue, an embrace of the nation’s core values that is needed to deal with Rand’s pervasive grip on society.

From The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged to Rand’s lesser-known and misunderstood nonfiction books, Gary Weiss examines the impact of Rand's thinking across our society."
Ayn Rand Nation: The Hidden Struggle for America's Soul: Gary Weiss: Amazon.com: Books

I'm not so much a child of Ayn Rand... more a child of Robert Heinlein...

but it all comes from the same place...

the urge to do whatever the fuck you wanna do... just so long as you don't directly fuck up anyone else's life...

I challenge anyone in here to tell me the fault in this way of thinking...

Well, how did it work out for Rand for instance?

not a Rand follower... dunno how it worked out for her in the end...

I just know it's been a good day for me whenever I can get through it without encountering some officious busybody bureaucrat who wants to give me crap about sumpin'...

 

[bayoubill]

Just out of curiosity, and this is a very real question, where in the heck did all you Ayn Rand kids come from? How did you bump into her? What did she write that so resonates with you?


"Thirty years after her death in March 1982, Ayn Rand’s ideas have never been more important. Unfettered capitalism, unregulated business, bare-bones government providing no social services, glorification of selfishness, disdain for Judeo-Christian morality—these are the tenets of Rand’s harsh philosophy.

In Ayn Rand Nation, Gary Weiss explores the people and institutions that remain under the spell of the Russian-born novelist. He provides new insights into Rand’s inner circle in the last years of her life, with revelations of never-before-publicized predictions by Rand that still resonate today. Weiss charts Rand’s infiltration of the Tea Party and Libertarian movements, and provides an inside look at the radical belief system that has exerted a powerful influence on the Republican Party and its presidential candidates. It’s a fascinating cast of characters that ranges from Glenn Beck to Oliver Stone, and includes Rand’s most influential disciple, Alan Greenspan. Weiss describes in penetrating detail how Greenspan became a stalking horse for Rand—slashing and burning regulations with ideological zeal, and then seeking to conceal her influence on his life and thinking. Lastly, Weiss provides a strategy for a renewed national dialogue, an embrace of the nation’s core values that is needed to deal with Rand’s pervasive grip on society.

From The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged to Rand’s lesser-known and misunderstood nonfiction books, Gary Weiss examines the impact of Rand's thinking across our society."
Ayn Rand Nation: The Hidden Struggle for America's Soul: Gary Weiss: Amazon.com: Books

Just out of curiosity, and this is a very real question, how old are you, PMH...?

'n what part of the country are you from...?