Australian man, with a gun, kills son over burned eggs...they banned and confiscated guns....

[Wry Catcher]

but but gun laws

No serious effort has been promulgated to repeal the 2nd A.; the effort to convince others that there is such a movement is a BIG LIE.

That said, the 2nd A. has never been lassiez faire in practice, and was not decided in Heller to be the case.

Where did I mention the second amendment in my post?

Where did I try to convince anyone that the second is going to be repealed in my post?

Gun laws do not and will not prevent gun crimes.

The state with the most lax gun laws in the country has a much lower murder rate than does the state with the strictest gun laws

You have always, in my experience, ended every discussion with this: "Shall not be infringed"!

 

[Skull Pilot]

but but gun laws

No serious effort has been promulgated to repeal the 2nd A.; the effort to convince others that there is such a movement is a BIG LIE.

That said, the 2nd A. has never been lassiez faire in practice, and was not decided in Heller to be the case.

Where did I mention the second amendment in my post?

Where did I try to convince anyone that the second is going to be repealed in my post?

Gun laws do not and will not prevent gun crimes.

The state with the most lax gun laws in the country has a much lower murder rate than does the state with the strictest gun laws

You have always, in my experience, ended every discussion with this: "Shall not be infringed"!

If you insist on telling me what I say then at least use the fucking quote function so it doesn't look like yo're making shit up

 

[theliq]

They bought back guns decades ago and people have since bought so many guns that they're back to pre-buy back numbers. So nobody should be surprised gun crime is going up.

Wrong... law abiding people in Australia are not using guns for crime. Gun crime in Australia is going up among the criminal gangs in Australia, not the law abiding Australians..... gun control is not working in Australia.

Law abiding people everywhere aren't using guns for crime. It's when you make it increasingly easier for non-law abiding people to get guns that you have a problem. That's the case in Australia right now.

Dipshit...they banned and confiscated guns in Australia....... and criminals still get guns there......our gun crime rates are going down, their gun crime rates are going up.

They have more guns now than when the buyback happened. It's really stupid of you to claim otherwise.

They can't....they banned and confiscated guns, the thing you asshats told us would end gun crime.....and now their criminals are using guns more and more, on a freaking island......

They banned and confiscated guns...and their gun control isn't working to stop gun crime.

We have more Americans who own and carry guns, and our gun crime rates are plummetting.......

Apart from being a LIAR,YOU R TOTALLY MISGUIDED...Last Year America had 38,000+ Gun Homicides up from the previous(so much for your erroneous and ignorant SPEW) moreover you had over 85,000 Gun maimings and injuries last year.Australia had much less than at the time of Arthur Massacre,YOU LYING SLUT

A few sites for the more intelligent Americans to view...Australia – Total Number of Gun Deaths

So the Gun Ban is working well...to the Moron Liars out there

Now so much to your claim that with all your Gun Ownership,you claim Gun Deaths in the US are falling...You are as we say here in Australia "Full of SHIT"

Last year your Gun Homicides rose yet again to 38,000+with over 85,000 maimings and injuries UP FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR...another site for you to ingest you Morons
Gun Deaths Increased in 2017, Gun Violence Archive Data Show

and more https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countri...

Of course Australia has proved that with NO GUNS,GUN DEATHS FALL DRAMATICALLY and you must also consider that our population has risen 35%+ since Port Arthur.

One thing we did early on was tell the NRA to Fcuc Off out of our country and they are BANNED from re-entering Paradise...Thank God.

 

[theliq]

Australia Has More Privately Owned Guns Now, Than Before Gun Control Was Enacted

Not possible.....you guys told us that if you ban and confiscate guns, it would solve the gun crime problem......

What part of they banned and confiscated guns on an island did you not freaking understand......and they still can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals......

Meanwhile..

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Australia Has More Privately Owned Guns Now, Than Before Gun Control Was Enacted

They banned and confiscated guns...... on an island....and they still can't keep their criminals from getting guns......

You do understand they banned and confiscated guns....right? You asshats keep telling us they banned guns and solved their gun problem..... and yet they didn't solve their gun crime problem....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Australia Has More Privately Owned Guns Now, Than Before Gun Control Was Enacted

They banned and confiscated guns....and yet criminals in Australia have more guns now than before.......you guys are morons....

In the United States?

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

LIAR

 

[theliq]

Yep....we are told this doesn't happen in Australia......a man murdered his son with a gun in an island nation that banned and confiscated guns...

Father shot and killed son in an argument over a burnt omelette

TWENTY minutes after an argument with his son about a burnt omelette, Peter John Smith assembled his shotgun, walked calmly inside and fired two fatal rounds into his son’s chest.

Andrew Smith was 30 years old, a father of two little boys and several weeks into his latest attempt at getting off drugs.

They bought back guns decades ago and people have since bought so many guns that they're back to pre-buy back numbers. So nobody should be surprised gun crime is going up.

BULL SHIT

 

[theliq]

Yep....we are told this doesn't happen in Australia......a man murdered his son with a gun in an island nation that banned and confiscated guns...

Father shot and killed son in an argument over a burnt omelette

TWENTY minutes after an argument with his son about a burnt omelette, Peter John Smith assembled his shotgun, walked calmly inside and fired two fatal rounds into his son’s chest.

Andrew Smith was 30 years old, a father of two little boys and several weeks into his latest attempt at getting off drugs.

They bought back guns decades ago and people have since bought so many guns that they're back to pre-buy back numbers. So nobody should be surprised gun crime is going up.

Wrong... law abiding people in Australia are not using guns for crime. Gun crime in Australia is going up among the criminal gangs in Australia, not the law abiding Australians..... gun control is not working in Australia.

Law abiding people everywhere aren't using guns for crime. It's when you make it increasingly easier for non-law abiding people to get guns that you have a problem. That's the case in Australia right now.

The U.S.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Australia....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

----

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

-----------

While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

-------------

These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

------------

Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
============
The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


========================
'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.


And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

Don't think your figures are in anyway accurate but it is Americans that Illegally try to import GUNS into Australia you know America FILTH

 

[cnm]

a man murdered his son with a gun in an island nation that banned and confiscated guns...

Yet Australian civilians possess firearms at a rate of 14.7/100 people. Australia – Rate of Civilian Firearm Possession per 100 Population
A simple fact raving loonies can not process.

 

[cnm]

They banned and confiscated guns

How can that be when around 14.7% legally possess firearms? Oh. Raving loony. Fair enough.

 

[2aguy]

Wrong... law abiding people in Australia are not using guns for crime. Gun crime in Australia is going up among the criminal gangs in Australia, not the law abiding Australians..... gun control is not working in Australia.

Law abiding people everywhere aren't using guns for crime. It's when you make it increasingly easier for non-law abiding people to get guns that you have a problem. That's the case in Australia right now.

Dipshit...they banned and confiscated guns in Australia....... and criminals still get guns there......our gun crime rates are going down, their gun crime rates are going up.

They have more guns now than when the buyback happened. It's really stupid of you to claim otherwise.

They can't....they banned and confiscated guns, the thing you asshats told us would end gun crime.....and now their criminals are using guns more and more, on a freaking island......

They banned and confiscated guns...and their gun control isn't working to stop gun crime.

We have more Americans who own and carry guns, and our gun crime rates are plummetting.......

Apart from being a LIAR,YOU R TOTALLY MISGUIDED...Last Year America had 38,000+ Gun Homicides up from the previous(so much for your erroneous and ignorant SPEW) moreover you had over 85,000 Gun maimings and injuries last year.Australia had much less than at the time of Arthur Massacre,YOU LYING SLUT

A few sites for the more intelligent Americans to view...Australia – Total Number of Gun Deaths

So the Gun Ban is working well...to the Moron Liars out there

Now so much to your claim that with all your Gun Ownership,you claim Gun Deaths in the US are falling...You are as we say here in Australia "Full of SHIT"

Last year your Gun Homicides rose yet again to 38,000+with over 85,000 maimings and injuries UP FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR...another site for you to ingest you Morons
Gun Deaths Increased in 2017, Gun Violence Archive Data Show

and more https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countri...

Of course Australia has proved that with NO GUNS,GUN DEATHS FALL DRAMATICALLY and you must also consider that our population has risen 35%+ since Port Arthur.

One thing we did early on was tell the NRA to Fcuc Off out of our country and they are BANNED from re-entering Paradise...Thank God.

Since you continue the anti gun lie by mixing gun suicides with gun murder, you are the dishonest one, not me. The Gun Violence Archive is an anti gun, extremist site, that lies in their statistics.......

And you also have to cling to the "gun murder" misdirection since Australia always had a low murder rate, but their gun crime has been going up, after the ban, mostly driven by imported immigrant drug gang activity...

And here..some actual truth..

Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review

University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi concluded their 2008 report on the matter with the statement, “There is little evidence to suggest that [the Australian mandatory gun-buyback program] had any significant effects on firearm homicides.”

“Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears,” the reported continued, “the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.”

A 2007 report, “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?” by Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran similarly concluded that the buyback program did not have a significant long-term effect on the Australian homicide rate.

The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”

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2007 report..

http://c3.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Baker and McPhedran 2007.pdf

Conclusions Examination of the long-term trends indicated that the only category of sudden death that may have been influenced by the introduction of the NFA was firearm suicide
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However, this effect must be considered in light of the findings for suicide (non-firearm). Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia. The introduction of the NFA appeared to have a negative effect on accidental firearm death. However, over the time period investigated, there was a relatively small number of accidental deaths per annum, with substantial variability. Any conclusions regarding the effect of the NFA on accidental firearm death should be approached with caution
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2008 report...


http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Lee and Suardi 2008.pdf

In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.
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6. Conclusion

This paper takes a closer look at the effects of the National Firearms Agreement on gun deaths. Using a battery of structural break tests, there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there also does not appear to be any substitution effects – that reduced access to firearms may have led those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods.

 

[2aguy]

Wrong... law abiding people in Australia are not using guns for crime. Gun crime in Australia is going up among the criminal gangs in Australia, not the law abiding Australians..... gun control is not working in Australia.

Law abiding people everywhere aren't using guns for crime. It's when you make it increasingly easier for non-law abiding people to get guns that you have a problem. That's the case in Australia right now.

Dipshit...they banned and confiscated guns in Australia....... and criminals still get guns there......our gun crime rates are going down, their gun crime rates are going up.

They have more guns now than when the buyback happened. It's really stupid of you to claim otherwise.

They can't....they banned and confiscated guns, the thing you asshats told us would end gun crime.....and now their criminals are using guns more and more, on a freaking island......

They banned and confiscated guns...and their gun control isn't working to stop gun crime.

We have more Americans who own and carry guns, and our gun crime rates are plummetting.......

Apart from being a LIAR,YOU R TOTALLY MISGUIDED...Last Year America had 38,000+ Gun Homicides up from the previous(so much for your erroneous and ignorant SPEW) moreover you had over 85,000 Gun maimings and injuries last year.Australia had much less than at the time of Arthur Massacre,YOU LYING SLUT

A few sites for the more intelligent Americans to view...Australia – Total Number of Gun Deaths

So the Gun Ban is working well...to the Moron Liars out there

Now so much to your claim that with all your Gun Ownership,you claim Gun Deaths in the US are falling...You are as we say here in Australia "Full of SHIT"

Last year your Gun Homicides rose yet again to 38,000+with over 85,000 maimings and injuries UP FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR...another site for you to ingest you Morons
Gun Deaths Increased in 2017, Gun Violence Archive Data Show

and more https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countri...

Of course Australia has proved that with NO GUNS,GUN DEATHS FALL DRAMATICALLY and you must also consider that our population has risen 35%+ since Port Arthur.

One thing we did early on was tell the NRA to Fcuc Off out of our country and they are BANNED from re-entering Paradise...Thank God.

In 2015, we had the shooting of a young criminal in Ferguson, Missouri, the President...obama, and black lives matter used that justified shooting of a violent criminal to attack our nations police forces around the country, which led to the Ferguson Effect, where local police departments, especially in large, democrat party controlled cities, stopped Pro-Active police work, responding only to 911 calls...that led to an increase in gun murder as the gangs realized they now had free reign in those cities.

That has ended...our gun murder rate has started to go back down...

Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

And now, the Ferguson Effect is going down....as did our gun murder rate...

Chicago Murders: Crime Wave Is Not Nationwide, However | National Review


Whatever the case with Chicago, the national trends are encouraging. Look, for instance, at the ten biggest U.S. cities. We now have homicide figures for the first half of 2018 (via the FBI, police departments, and local media coverage) and can compare these with data from the same time period in the last eight years. We had crime spikes in 2012, 2016, and 2017. But 2018, at least so far, looks good. The ten-city total is down by 6 percent relative to last year. Not standing-ovation territory, but certainly the right direction.


Another indicator is the trend in the cities red-flagged by criminologist Richard Rosenfeld when crime first rose between 2014 and 2015. Rosenfeld found that these ten cities alone accounted for nearly two-thirds of the increase in homicides nationwide.


As you can see, in 2018 crime dropped in eight of ten of these red-flag cities, and cumulatively the decline was 14 percent.

What about the Big Apple? Regardless of scary reports that citywide shootings were up 16 percent in July, and that Bronx murders had risen by almost one-third, the long-term picture still looks good. There’s been an increase since last year — but last year was an unusually safe one.


When crime first shot up in 2015 and 2016, I pointed out that there’s a big difference between a crime spike, which may last a few years, and a crime boom, such as the one this country suffered from the late 1960s to the early 1990s. I’m sticking to my story.

 

[2aguy]

Yep....we are told this doesn't happen in Australia......a man murdered his son with a gun in an island nation that banned and confiscated guns...

Father shot and killed son in an argument over a burnt omelette

TWENTY minutes after an argument with his son about a burnt omelette, Peter John Smith assembled his shotgun, walked calmly inside and fired two fatal rounds into his son’s chest.

Andrew Smith was 30 years old, a father of two little boys and several weeks into his latest attempt at getting off drugs.

They bought back guns decades ago and people have since bought so many guns that they're back to pre-buy back numbers. So nobody should be surprised gun crime is going up.

Wrong... law abiding people in Australia are not using guns for crime. Gun crime in Australia is going up among the criminal gangs in Australia, not the law abiding Australians..... gun control is not working in Australia.

Law abiding people everywhere aren't using guns for crime. It's when you make it increasingly easier for non-law abiding people to get guns that you have a problem. That's the case in Australia right now.

The U.S.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Australia....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

----

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

-----------

While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

-------------

These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

------------

Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
============
The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


========================
'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.


And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

Don't think your figures are in anyway accurate but it is Americans that Illegally try to import GUNS into Australia you know America FILTH

No, dipshit....it is Australia, immigrant drug gangs bringing illegal guns into your country.

 

[theliq]

Law abiding people everywhere aren't using guns for crime. It's when you make it increasingly easier for non-law abiding people to get guns that you have a problem. That's the case in Australia right now.

Dipshit...they banned and confiscated guns in Australia....... and criminals still get guns there......our gun crime rates are going down, their gun crime rates are going up.

They have more guns now than when the buyback happened. It's really stupid of you to claim otherwise.

They can't....they banned and confiscated guns, the thing you asshats told us would end gun crime.....and now their criminals are using guns more and more, on a freaking island......

They banned and confiscated guns...and their gun control isn't working to stop gun crime.

We have more Americans who own and carry guns, and our gun crime rates are plummetting.......

Apart from being a LIAR,YOU R TOTALLY MISGUIDED...Last Year America had 38,000+ Gun Homicides up from the previous(so much for your erroneous and ignorant SPEW) moreover you had over 85,000 Gun maimings and injuries last year.Australia had much less than at the time of Arthur Massacre,YOU LYING SLUT

A few sites for the more intelligent Americans to view...Australia – Total Number of Gun Deaths

So the Gun Ban is working well...to the Moron Liars out there

Now so much to your claim that with all your Gun Ownership,you claim Gun Deaths in the US are falling...You are as we say here in Australia "Full of SHIT"

Last year your Gun Homicides rose yet again to 38,000+with over 85,000 maimings and injuries UP FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR...another site for you to ingest you Morons
Gun Deaths Increased in 2017, Gun Violence Archive Data Show

and more https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countri...

Of course Australia has proved that with NO GUNS,GUN DEATHS FALL DRAMATICALLY and you must also consider that our population has risen 35%+ since Port Arthur.

One thing we did early on was tell the NRA to Fcuc Off out of our country and they are BANNED from re-entering Paradise...Thank God.

Since you continue the anti gun lie by mixing gun suicides with gun murder, you are the dishonest one, not me. The Gun Violence Archive is an anti gun, extremist site, that lies in their statistics.......

And you also have to cling to the "gun murder" misdirection since Australia always had a low murder rate, but their gun crime has been going up, after the ban, mostly driven by imported immigrant drug gang activity...

And here..some actual truth..

Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review

University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi concluded their 2008 report on the matter with the statement, “There is little evidence to suggest that [the Australian mandatory gun-buyback program] had any significant effects on firearm homicides.”

“Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears,” the reported continued, “the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.”

A 2007 report, “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?” by Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran similarly concluded that the buyback program did not have a significant long-term effect on the Australian homicide rate.

The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”

=======

2007 report..

http://c3.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Baker and McPhedran 2007.pdf

Conclusions Examination of the long-term trends indicated that the only category of sudden death that may have been influenced by the introduction of the NFA was firearm suicide
------

However, this effect must be considered in light of the findings for suicide (non-firearm). Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia. The introduction of the NFA appeared to have a negative effect on accidental firearm death. However, over the time period investigated, there was a relatively small number of accidental deaths per annum, with substantial variability. Any conclusions regarding the effect of the NFA on accidental firearm death should be approached with caution
=========

2008 report...


http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Lee and Suardi 2008.pdf

In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.
-------

6. Conclusion

This paper takes a closer look at the effects of the National Firearms Agreement on gun deaths. Using a battery of structural break tests, there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there also does not appear to be any substitution effects – that reduced access to firearms may have led those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods.

NRA Claptrap

 

[theliq]

They bought back guns decades ago and people have since bought so many guns that they're back to pre-buy back numbers. So nobody should be surprised gun crime is going up.

Wrong... law abiding people in Australia are not using guns for crime. Gun crime in Australia is going up among the criminal gangs in Australia, not the law abiding Australians..... gun control is not working in Australia.

Law abiding people everywhere aren't using guns for crime. It's when you make it increasingly easier for non-law abiding people to get guns that you have a problem. That's the case in Australia right now.

The U.S.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Australia....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

----

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

-----------

While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

-------------

These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

------------

Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
============
The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


========================
'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.


And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

Don't think your figures are in anyway accurate but it is Americans that Illegally try to import GUNS into Australia you know America FILTH

No, dipshit....it is Australia, immigrant drug gangs bringing illegal guns into your country.

Yeah Americans

 

[theliq]

Law abiding people everywhere aren't using guns for crime. It's when you make it increasingly easier for non-law abiding people to get guns that you have a problem. That's the case in Australia right now.

Dipshit...they banned and confiscated guns in Australia....... and criminals still get guns there......our gun crime rates are going down, their gun crime rates are going up.

They have more guns now than when the buyback happened. It's really stupid of you to claim otherwise.

They can't....they banned and confiscated guns, the thing you asshats told us would end gun crime.....and now their criminals are using guns more and more, on a freaking island......

They banned and confiscated guns...and their gun control isn't working to stop gun crime.

We have more Americans who own and carry guns, and our gun crime rates are plummetting.......

Apart from being a LIAR,YOU R TOTALLY MISGUIDED...Last Year America had 38,000+ Gun Homicides up from the previous(so much for your erroneous and ignorant SPEW) moreover you had over 85,000 Gun maimings and injuries last year.Australia had much less than at the time of Arthur Massacre,YOU LYING SLUT

A few sites for the more intelligent Americans to view...Australia – Total Number of Gun Deaths

So the Gun Ban is working well...to the Moron Liars out there

Now so much to your claim that with all your Gun Ownership,you claim Gun Deaths in the US are falling...You are as we say here in Australia "Full of SHIT"

Last year your Gun Homicides rose yet again to 38,000+with over 85,000 maimings and injuries UP FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR...another site for you to ingest you Morons
Gun Deaths Increased in 2017, Gun Violence Archive Data Show

and more https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countri...

Of course Australia has proved that with NO GUNS,GUN DEATHS FALL DRAMATICALLY and you must also consider that our population has risen 35%+ since Port Arthur.

One thing we did early on was tell the NRA to Fcuc Off out of our country and they are BANNED from re-entering Paradise...Thank God.

In 2015, we had the shooting of a young criminal in Ferguson, Missouri, the President...obama, and black lives matter used that justified shooting of a violent criminal to attack our nations police forces around the country, which led to the Ferguson Effect, where local police departments, especially in large, democrat party controlled cities, stopped Pro-Active police work, responding only to 911 calls...that led to an increase in gun murder as the gangs realized they now had free reign in those cities.

That has ended...our gun murder rate has started to go back down...

Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

And now, the Ferguson Effect is going down....as did our gun murder rate...

Chicago Murders: Crime Wave Is Not Nationwide, However | National Review


Whatever the case with Chicago, the national trends are encouraging. Look, for instance, at the ten biggest U.S. cities. We now have homicide figures for the first half of 2018 (via the FBI, police departments, and local media coverage) and can compare these with data from the same time period in the last eight years. We had crime spikes in 2012, 2016, and 2017. But 2018, at least so far, looks good. The ten-city total is down by 6 percent relative to last year. Not standing-ovation territory, but certainly the right direction.


Another indicator is the trend in the cities red-flagged by criminologist Richard Rosenfeld when crime first rose between 2014 and 2015. Rosenfeld found that these ten cities alone accounted for nearly two-thirds of the increase in homicides nationwide.


As you can see, in 2018 crime dropped in eight of ten of these red-flag cities, and cumulatively the decline was 14 percent.

What about the Big Apple? Regardless of scary reports that citywide shootings were up 16 percent in July, and that Bronx murders had risen by almost one-third, the long-term picture still looks good. There’s been an increase since last year — but last year was an unusually safe one.


When crime first shot up in 2015 and 2016, I pointed out that there’s a big difference between a crime spike, which may last a few years, and a crime boom, such as the one this country suffered from the late 1960s to the early 1990s. I’m sticking to my story.

You are a JOKE, and a MORONIC ONE AT THAT...You are a COMPULSIVE LIAR

 

[2aguy]

Dipshit...they banned and confiscated guns in Australia....... and criminals still get guns there......our gun crime rates are going down, their gun crime rates are going up.

They have more guns now than when the buyback happened. It's really stupid of you to claim otherwise.

They can't....they banned and confiscated guns, the thing you asshats told us would end gun crime.....and now their criminals are using guns more and more, on a freaking island......

They banned and confiscated guns...and their gun control isn't working to stop gun crime.

We have more Americans who own and carry guns, and our gun crime rates are plummetting.......

Apart from being a LIAR,YOU R TOTALLY MISGUIDED...Last Year America had 38,000+ Gun Homicides up from the previous(so much for your erroneous and ignorant SPEW) moreover you had over 85,000 Gun maimings and injuries last year.Australia had much less than at the time of Arthur Massacre,YOU LYING SLUT

A few sites for the more intelligent Americans to view...Australia – Total Number of Gun Deaths

So the Gun Ban is working well...to the Moron Liars out there

Now so much to your claim that with all your Gun Ownership,you claim Gun Deaths in the US are falling...You are as we say here in Australia "Full of SHIT"

Last year your Gun Homicides rose yet again to 38,000+with over 85,000 maimings and injuries UP FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR...another site for you to ingest you Morons
Gun Deaths Increased in 2017, Gun Violence Archive Data Show

and more https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countri...

Of course Australia has proved that with NO GUNS,GUN DEATHS FALL DRAMATICALLY and you must also consider that our population has risen 35%+ since Port Arthur.

One thing we did early on was tell the NRA to Fcuc Off out of our country and they are BANNED from re-entering Paradise...Thank God.

Since you continue the anti gun lie by mixing gun suicides with gun murder, you are the dishonest one, not me. The Gun Violence Archive is an anti gun, extremist site, that lies in their statistics.......

And you also have to cling to the "gun murder" misdirection since Australia always had a low murder rate, but their gun crime has been going up, after the ban, mostly driven by imported immigrant drug gang activity...

And here..some actual truth..

Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review

University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi concluded their 2008 report on the matter with the statement, “There is little evidence to suggest that [the Australian mandatory gun-buyback program] had any significant effects on firearm homicides.”

“Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears,” the reported continued, “the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.”

A 2007 report, “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?” by Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran similarly concluded that the buyback program did not have a significant long-term effect on the Australian homicide rate.

The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”

=======

2007 report..

http://c3.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Baker and McPhedran 2007.pdf

Conclusions Examination of the long-term trends indicated that the only category of sudden death that may have been influenced by the introduction of the NFA was firearm suicide
------

However, this effect must be considered in light of the findings for suicide (non-firearm). Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia. The introduction of the NFA appeared to have a negative effect on accidental firearm death. However, over the time period investigated, there was a relatively small number of accidental deaths per annum, with substantial variability. Any conclusions regarding the effect of the NFA on accidental firearm death should be approached with caution
=========

2008 report...


http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Lee and Suardi 2008.pdf

In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.
-------

6. Conclusion

This paper takes a closer look at the effects of the National Firearms Agreement on gun deaths. Using a battery of structural break tests, there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there also does not appear to be any substitution effects – that reduced access to firearms may have led those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods.

NRA Claptrap

Moron....nothing in that post is from the NRA, in fact, one is a research paper......you moron.

 

[2aguy]

Dipshit...they banned and confiscated guns in Australia....... and criminals still get guns there......our gun crime rates are going down, their gun crime rates are going up.

They have more guns now than when the buyback happened. It's really stupid of you to claim otherwise.

They can't....they banned and confiscated guns, the thing you asshats told us would end gun crime.....and now their criminals are using guns more and more, on a freaking island......

They banned and confiscated guns...and their gun control isn't working to stop gun crime.

We have more Americans who own and carry guns, and our gun crime rates are plummetting.......

Apart from being a LIAR,YOU R TOTALLY MISGUIDED...Last Year America had 38,000+ Gun Homicides up from the previous(so much for your erroneous and ignorant SPEW) moreover you had over 85,000 Gun maimings and injuries last year.Australia had much less than at the time of Arthur Massacre,YOU LYING SLUT

A few sites for the more intelligent Americans to view...Australia – Total Number of Gun Deaths

So the Gun Ban is working well...to the Moron Liars out there

Now so much to your claim that with all your Gun Ownership,you claim Gun Deaths in the US are falling...You are as we say here in Australia "Full of SHIT"

Last year your Gun Homicides rose yet again to 38,000+with over 85,000 maimings and injuries UP FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR...another site for you to ingest you Morons
Gun Deaths Increased in 2017, Gun Violence Archive Data Show

and more https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countri...

Of course Australia has proved that with NO GUNS,GUN DEATHS FALL DRAMATICALLY and you must also consider that our population has risen 35%+ since Port Arthur.

One thing we did early on was tell the NRA to Fcuc Off out of our country and they are BANNED from re-entering Paradise...Thank God.

In 2015, we had the shooting of a young criminal in Ferguson, Missouri, the President...obama, and black lives matter used that justified shooting of a violent criminal to attack our nations police forces around the country, which led to the Ferguson Effect, where local police departments, especially in large, democrat party controlled cities, stopped Pro-Active police work, responding only to 911 calls...that led to an increase in gun murder as the gangs realized they now had free reign in those cities.

That has ended...our gun murder rate has started to go back down...

Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

And now, the Ferguson Effect is going down....as did our gun murder rate...

Chicago Murders: Crime Wave Is Not Nationwide, However | National Review


Whatever the case with Chicago, the national trends are encouraging. Look, for instance, at the ten biggest U.S. cities. We now have homicide figures for the first half of 2018 (via the FBI, police departments, and local media coverage) and can compare these with data from the same time period in the last eight years. We had crime spikes in 2012, 2016, and 2017. But 2018, at least so far, looks good. The ten-city total is down by 6 percent relative to last year. Not standing-ovation territory, but certainly the right direction.


Another indicator is the trend in the cities red-flagged by criminologist Richard Rosenfeld when crime first rose between 2014 and 2015. Rosenfeld found that these ten cities alone accounted for nearly two-thirds of the increase in homicides nationwide.


As you can see, in 2018 crime dropped in eight of ten of these red-flag cities, and cumulatively the decline was 14 percent.

What about the Big Apple? Regardless of scary reports that citywide shootings were up 16 percent in July, and that Bronx murders had risen by almost one-third, the long-term picture still looks good. There’s been an increase since last year — but last year was an unusually safe one.


When crime first shot up in 2015 and 2016, I pointed out that there’s a big difference between a crime spike, which may last a few years, and a crime boom, such as the one this country suffered from the late 1960s to the early 1990s. I’m sticking to my story.

You are a JOKE, and a MORONIC ONE AT THAT...You are a COMPULSIVE LIAR

Yep...actual research that shows you don't know what you are talking about....and you have no reply....

 

[theliq]

Law abiding people everywhere aren't using guns for crime. It's when you make it increasingly easier for non-law abiding people to get guns that you have a problem. That's the case in Australia right now.

Dipshit...they banned and confiscated guns in Australia....... and criminals still get guns there......our gun crime rates are going down, their gun crime rates are going up.

They have more guns now than when the buyback happened. It's really stupid of you to claim otherwise.

They can't....they banned and confiscated guns, the thing you asshats told us would end gun crime.....and now their criminals are using guns more and more, on a freaking island......

They banned and confiscated guns...and their gun control isn't working to stop gun crime.

We have more Americans who own and carry guns, and our gun crime rates are plummetting.......

Apart from being a LIAR,YOU R TOTALLY MISGUIDED...Last Year America had 38,000+ Gun Homicides up from the previous(so much for your erroneous and ignorant SPEW) moreover you had over 85,000 Gun maimings and injuries last year.Australia had much less than at the time of Arthur Massacre,YOU LYING SLUT

A few sites for the more intelligent Americans to view...Australia – Total Number of Gun Deaths

So the Gun Ban is working well...to the Moron Liars out there

Now so much to your claim that with all your Gun Ownership,you claim Gun Deaths in the US are falling...You are as we say here in Australia "Full of SHIT"

Last year your Gun Homicides rose yet again to 38,000+with over 85,000 maimings and injuries UP FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR...another site for you to ingest you Morons
Gun Deaths Increased in 2017, Gun Violence Archive Data Show

and more https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countri...

Of course Australia has proved that with NO GUNS,GUN DEATHS FALL DRAMATICALLY and you must also consider that our population has risen 35%+ since Port Arthur.

One thing we did early on was tell the NRA to Fcuc Off out of our country and they are BANNED from re-entering Paradise...Thank God.

Since you continue the anti gun lie by mixing gun suicides with gun murder, you are the dishonest one, not me. The Gun Violence Archive is an anti gun, extremist site, that lies in their statistics.......

And you also have to cling to the "gun murder" misdirection since Australia always had a low murder rate, but their gun crime has been going up, after the ban, mostly driven by imported immigrant drug gang activity...

And here..some actual truth..

Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review

University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi concluded their 2008 report on the matter with the statement, “There is little evidence to suggest that [the Australian mandatory gun-buyback program] had any significant effects on firearm homicides.”

“Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears,” the reported continued, “the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.”

A 2007 report, “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?” by Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran similarly concluded that the buyback program did not have a significant long-term effect on the Australian homicide rate.

The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”

=======

2007 report..

http://c3.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Baker and McPhedran 2007.pdf

Conclusions Examination of the long-term trends indicated that the only category of sudden death that may have been influenced by the introduction of the NFA was firearm suicide
------

However, this effect must be considered in light of the findings for suicide (non-firearm). Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia. The introduction of the NFA appeared to have a negative effect on accidental firearm death. However, over the time period investigated, there was a relatively small number of accidental deaths per annum, with substantial variability. Any conclusions regarding the effect of the NFA on accidental firearm death should be approached with caution
=========

2008 report...


http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Lee and Suardi 2008.pdf

In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.
-------

6. Conclusion

This paper takes a closer look at the effects of the National Firearms Agreement on gun deaths. Using a battery of structural break tests, there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there also does not appear to be any substitution effects – that reduced access to firearms may have led those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods.

Amusing you use discredited information,but there is nothing amusing about American GUN DEATH RATES....SAY NO TO GUNS

 

[idb]

Guns aren't banned in Australia.
Therefore the entire premise of the OP is wrong.

 

[2aguy]

Dipshit...they banned and confiscated guns in Australia....... and criminals still get guns there......our gun crime rates are going down, their gun crime rates are going up.

They have more guns now than when the buyback happened. It's really stupid of you to claim otherwise.

They can't....they banned and confiscated guns, the thing you asshats told us would end gun crime.....and now their criminals are using guns more and more, on a freaking island......

They banned and confiscated guns...and their gun control isn't working to stop gun crime.

We have more Americans who own and carry guns, and our gun crime rates are plummetting.......

Apart from being a LIAR,YOU R TOTALLY MISGUIDED...Last Year America had 38,000+ Gun Homicides up from the previous(so much for your erroneous and ignorant SPEW) moreover you had over 85,000 Gun maimings and injuries last year.Australia had much less than at the time of Arthur Massacre,YOU LYING SLUT

A few sites for the more intelligent Americans to view...Australia – Total Number of Gun Deaths

So the Gun Ban is working well...to the Moron Liars out there

Now so much to your claim that with all your Gun Ownership,you claim Gun Deaths in the US are falling...You are as we say here in Australia "Full of SHIT"

Last year your Gun Homicides rose yet again to 38,000+with over 85,000 maimings and injuries UP FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR...another site for you to ingest you Morons
Gun Deaths Increased in 2017, Gun Violence Archive Data Show

and more https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countri...

Of course Australia has proved that with NO GUNS,GUN DEATHS FALL DRAMATICALLY and you must also consider that our population has risen 35%+ since Port Arthur.

One thing we did early on was tell the NRA to Fcuc Off out of our country and they are BANNED from re-entering Paradise...Thank God.

Since you continue the anti gun lie by mixing gun suicides with gun murder, you are the dishonest one, not me. The Gun Violence Archive is an anti gun, extremist site, that lies in their statistics.......

And you also have to cling to the "gun murder" misdirection since Australia always had a low murder rate, but their gun crime has been going up, after the ban, mostly driven by imported immigrant drug gang activity...

And here..some actual truth..

Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review

University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi concluded their 2008 report on the matter with the statement, “There is little evidence to suggest that [the Australian mandatory gun-buyback program] had any significant effects on firearm homicides.”

“Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears,” the reported continued, “the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.”

A 2007 report, “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?” by Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran similarly concluded that the buyback program did not have a significant long-term effect on the Australian homicide rate.

The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”

=======

2007 report..

http://c3.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Baker and McPhedran 2007.pdf

Conclusions Examination of the long-term trends indicated that the only category of sudden death that may have been influenced by the introduction of the NFA was firearm suicide
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However, this effect must be considered in light of the findings for suicide (non-firearm). Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia. The introduction of the NFA appeared to have a negative effect on accidental firearm death. However, over the time period investigated, there was a relatively small number of accidental deaths per annum, with substantial variability. Any conclusions regarding the effect of the NFA on accidental firearm death should be approached with caution
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2008 report...


http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Lee and Suardi 2008.pdf

In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.
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6. Conclusion

This paper takes a closer look at the effects of the National Firearms Agreement on gun deaths. Using a battery of structural break tests, there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there also does not appear to be any substitution effects – that reduced access to firearms may have led those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods.

Amusing you use discredited information,but there is nothing amusing about American GUN DEATH RATES....SAY NO TO GUNS

We had 10,982 gun murders in 2017...according to the FBI. Cars killed 38,748 people in 2016.......

70-80% of the victims in those gun murders were criminals, not innocent people. Of the remaining victims, many of them are friends and family of criminals caught in the crossfire.

Our gun crime is limited to tiny areas of our major cities controlled by the democrat party..

ON the other side of the ledger, according to the CDC, Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to stop violent criminals from comitting rape, robbery and murder...or if you prefer the Department of Justice number, 1.5 million times a year.

As more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime rates went down, not up...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

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They have more guns now than when the buyback happened. It's really stupid of you to claim otherwise.

They can't....they banned and confiscated guns, the thing you asshats told us would end gun crime.....and now their criminals are using guns more and more, on a freaking island......

They banned and confiscated guns...and their gun control isn't working to stop gun crime.

We have more Americans who own and carry guns, and our gun crime rates are plummetting.......

Apart from being a LIAR,YOU R TOTALLY MISGUIDED...Last Year America had 38,000+ Gun Homicides up from the previous(so much for your erroneous and ignorant SPEW) moreover you had over 85,000 Gun maimings and injuries last year.Australia had much less than at the time of Arthur Massacre,YOU LYING SLUT

A few sites for the more intelligent Americans to view...Australia – Total Number of Gun Deaths

So the Gun Ban is working well...to the Moron Liars out there

Now so much to your claim that with all your Gun Ownership,you claim Gun Deaths in the US are falling...You are as we say here in Australia "Full of SHIT"

Last year your Gun Homicides rose yet again to 38,000+with over 85,000 maimings and injuries UP FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR...another site for you to ingest you Morons
Gun Deaths Increased in 2017, Gun Violence Archive Data Show

and more https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countri...

Of course Australia has proved that with NO GUNS,GUN DEATHS FALL DRAMATICALLY and you must also consider that our population has risen 35%+ since Port Arthur.

One thing we did early on was tell the NRA to Fcuc Off out of our country and they are BANNED from re-entering Paradise...Thank God.

In 2015, we had the shooting of a young criminal in Ferguson, Missouri, the President...obama, and black lives matter used that justified shooting of a violent criminal to attack our nations police forces around the country, which led to the Ferguson Effect, where local police departments, especially in large, democrat party controlled cities, stopped Pro-Active police work, responding only to 911 calls...that led to an increase in gun murder as the gangs realized they now had free reign in those cities.

That has ended...our gun murder rate has started to go back down...

Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

And now, the Ferguson Effect is going down....as did our gun murder rate...

Chicago Murders: Crime Wave Is Not Nationwide, However | National Review


Whatever the case with Chicago, the national trends are encouraging. Look, for instance, at the ten biggest U.S. cities. We now have homicide figures for the first half of 2018 (via the FBI, police departments, and local media coverage) and can compare these with data from the same time period in the last eight years. We had crime spikes in 2012, 2016, and 2017. But 2018, at least so far, looks good. The ten-city total is down by 6 percent relative to last year. Not standing-ovation territory, but certainly the right direction.


Another indicator is the trend in the cities red-flagged by criminologist Richard Rosenfeld when crime first rose between 2014 and 2015. Rosenfeld found that these ten cities alone accounted for nearly two-thirds of the increase in homicides nationwide.


As you can see, in 2018 crime dropped in eight of ten of these red-flag cities, and cumulatively the decline was 14 percent.

What about the Big Apple? Regardless of scary reports that citywide shootings were up 16 percent in July, and that Bronx murders had risen by almost one-third, the long-term picture still looks good. There’s been an increase since last year — but last year was an unusually safe one.


When crime first shot up in 2015 and 2016, I pointed out that there’s a big difference between a crime spike, which may last a few years, and a crime boom, such as the one this country suffered from the late 1960s to the early 1990s. I’m sticking to my story.

You are a JOKE, and a MORONIC ONE AT THAT...You are a COMPULSIVE LIAR

Yep...actual research that shows you don't know what you are talking about....and you have no reply....

Hollow words from a STRAW MAN...U R A YAWN...………..Full Stop,go Bull Shit somewhere else Idiot