AUstralian gun ban did not save lives...told you it didn't...

[PredFan]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

JUst like we said.....

I found the article but the link now takes you to a pay wall...I grabbed the article and the quote before it walled up....

To get a look at the article without the paywall...you have to look up port Arthur gun ban....


No Cookies | The Courier Mail

hear it said repeatedly that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since 1996, which supposedly demonstrates the effectiveness of our gun laws.

The truth is quite different. There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

Moreover, there is sound research into the impact of Australia’s 1996 gun laws. Some of it comes from anti-gun groups, some from pro-gun groups, and some from groups who have no personal connections to firearms one way or the other.

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

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At least two other Commonwealth countries (Canada and New Zealand) have had similar or greater declines even though these countries have far less restrictive gun laws than Australia.

And without denying it has an overall much higher level of homicides (non-firearm as well as firearm related), the US has had an even larger rate of decline in the face of very substantial liberalisation of its gun laws, in particular allowing carrying firearms for self-defence.

And yet, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the anti-gun lobby continues to promote untruths. Despite the massive price tag attached to Australia’s gun laws, rational debate remains impossible.

How ridiculous and untrue,Australia has had a much lower incidence of Gun Crime since the Gun Ban.......You are merly a Lackie for the NRA who were kicked out of Australia,God knows what it would be like today if we had allowed the NRA to stay in Australia.......You can keep your Guns in America with the resulting mayhem...you are like a despot 3rd world Banana Republic where Guns are concerned.steve..you coments are Mad.

Do you realize that there are now as many guns in Australia as there were before the ban....and you still have gun violence and that it is going up..........compared to your buddies in New Zealand....?

LINK Please.steve

Here is a way to get to the posted story...

Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives - Courier Mail
www.couriermail.com.au/...port-arthur-gun-ban...saved-l...
The Courier‑Mail
2 days ago - The Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives. April 27 ... Not a single inquiry or inquest was ever held into the Port Arthur massacre, unlike the two ...

An Opinion not fact

Typical gun grabbing idiot. You will ignore the facts until some criminal shove his illegal gun right up your ass.

 

[OZman]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

Your perception is incorrect.
Fact check: Have firearm homicides and suicides dropped since Port Arthur as a result of John Howard's reforms?

Wrong.......in a country that confiscated guns and has extreme gun control there should not be inconsistent years....

The verdict
Mr Howard's claim is not cut and dried.

Data from the Australian Institute of Criminology shows the rate of homicide victims dying from a gunshot wound has dropped since the reforms came into force, but not consistently in every year.

ABS data indicates the rate of assault by firearm causing death has also declined since the reforms, but not in every year.

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"Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buyback and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia."

Your OP headline has been refuted by the statistical data. That you will not accept these facts leads me to believe that you are irrational on this topic. Nice try at the cherry picking though.

 

[2aguy]

As to the level of gun ownership in Australia...this story came out after the guy shot 3 people.....

Scary trend in Australian gun crime

THE YEAR IN GUNS

While the tightening of gun laws following the Port Arthur massacre drastically reduced the number of guns in private ownership, it’s believed the figure has now climbed to even higher than before the devastating shooting.

There are currently around three million registered firearms in Australia, according to gun control researcher Philip Alpers from Sydney University’s School of Public Health.

This compares to less than 2.2 million registered firearms in July 2001. He estimates that there are about 200,000 illegal handguns on the streets, many of them stolen.

Here are just some of the shootings in Australia this past year:

 

[2aguy]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

Your perception is incorrect.
Fact check: Have firearm homicides and suicides dropped since Port Arthur as a result of John Howard's reforms?

Wrong.......in a country that confiscated guns and has extreme gun control there should not be inconsistent years....

The verdict
Mr Howard's claim is not cut and dried.

Data from the Australian Institute of Criminology shows the rate of homicide victims dying from a gunshot wound has dropped since the reforms came into force, but not consistently in every year.

ABS data indicates the rate of assault by firearm causing death has also declined since the reforms, but not in every year.

-----

"Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buyback and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia."

Your OP headline has been refuted by the statistical data. That you will not accept these facts leads me to believe that you are irrational on this topic. Nice try at the cherry picking though.

Actually, it hasn't.....

please show where this was refuted...

There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

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By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

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Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

 

[theliq]

Keep denying it.......it is only going to get worse...then what are you going to say after the gun confiscation, and the extreme gun control when their gun crime rate keeps going up.........

You are on a hiding to nothing on this your ignorant and ill informed thread

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

2aguy continues with the fallacy of the false premise, that gun restrictions laws will end all gun deaths.

No one ever said it would.

What 2aguy won't do is plot the incident rate in relationship to the population.

Plot the US against GB and Aus, and the incident rate of the US is monstrous in numbers and per capita, compared to the Aussies and the Brits.

Straw man fallacy, speculation fallacy – no one in the United States advocates for a ‘gun ban.’

Not only is the notion baseless idiocy, a ‘gun ban’ would be struck down as un-Constitutional.

 

[theliq]

How ridiculous and untrue,Australia has had a much lower incidence of Gun Crime since the Gun Ban.......You are merly a Lackie for the NRA who were kicked out of Australia,God knows what it would be like today if we had allowed the NRA to stay in Australia.......You can keep your Guns in America with the resulting mayhem...you are like a despot 3rd world Banana Republic where Guns are concerned.steve..you coments are Mad.

Do you realize that there are now as many guns in Australia as there were before the ban....and you still have gun violence and that it is going up..........compared to your buddies in New Zealand....?

LINK Please.steve

Here is a way to get to the posted story...

Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives - Courier Mail
www.couriermail.com.au/...port-arthur-gun-ban...saved-l...
The Courier‑Mail
2 days ago - The Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives. April 27 ... Not a single inquiry or inquest was ever held into the Port Arthur massacre, unlike the two ...

An Opinion not fact

Typical gun grabbing idiot. You will ignore the facts until some criminal shove his illegal gun right up your ass.

Well I note in your Avie YOU are behind BARS....Thank God...You are one of the CRETINS that think it's safer for society to have Guns,like most Banana Republics.........Here we not only think you are morons but know it for a Fact, LOSER

 

[theliq]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

Your perception is incorrect.
Fact check: Have firearm homicides and suicides dropped since Port Arthur as a result of John Howard's reforms?

Wrong.......in a country that confiscated guns and has extreme gun control there should not be inconsistent years....

The verdict
Mr Howard's claim is not cut and dried.

Data from the Australian Institute of Criminology shows the rate of homicide victims dying from a gunshot wound has dropped since the reforms came into force, but not consistently in every year.

ABS data indicates the rate of assault by firearm causing death has also declined since the reforms, but not in every year.

-----

"Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buyback and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia."

Your OP headline has been refuted by the statistical data. That you will not accept these facts leads me to believe that you are irrational on this topic. Nice try at the cherry picking though.

Actually, it hasn't.....

please show where this was refuted...

There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

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By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

---------

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

Per head of population New Zealand have twice as many Gun Deaths than Australia

 

[Rustic]

Gun violence is an nonissue is this country.... We have bigger fish to fry, much bigger.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Gun violence is an nonissue is this country.... We have bigger fish to fry, much bigger.

Like tranny toilet protocol ?

 

[PredFan]

Do you realize that there are now as many guns in Australia as there were before the ban....and you still have gun violence and that it is going up..........compared to your buddies in New Zealand....?

LINK Please.steve

Here is a way to get to the posted story...

Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives - Courier Mail
www.couriermail.com.au/...port-arthur-gun-ban...saved-l...
The Courier‑Mail
2 days ago - The Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives. April 27 ... Not a single inquiry or inquest was ever held into the Port Arthur massacre, unlike the two ...

An Opinion not fact

Typical gun grabbing idiot. You will ignore the facts until some criminal shove his illegal gun right up your ass.

Well I note in your Avie YOU are behind BARS....Thank God...You are one of the CRETINS that think it's safer for society to have Guns,like most Banana Republics.........Here we not only think you are morons but know it for a Fact, LOSER

So you are clueless about my Avie and about gun control. Are so clueless about everything else?

Here's one clue for you for free:

Americans don't give a fat fuck about what you Aussies think.

 

[theliq]

LINK Please.steve

Here is a way to get to the posted story...

Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives - Courier Mail
www.couriermail.com.au/...port-arthur-gun-ban...saved-l...
The Courier‑Mail
2 days ago - The Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives. April 27 ... Not a single inquiry or inquest was ever held into the Port Arthur massacre, unlike the two ...

An Opinion not fact

Typical gun grabbing idiot. You will ignore the facts until some criminal shove his illegal gun right up your ass.

Well I note in your Avie YOU are behind BARS....Thank God...You are one of the CRETINS that think it's safer for society to have Guns,like most Banana Republics.........Here we not only think you are morons but know it for a Fact, LOSER

So you are clueless about my Avie and about gun control. Are so clueless about everything else?

Here's one clue for you for free:

Americans don't give a fat fuck about what you Aussies think.

Of course you don't,what you must understand IS.....Is that the WORLD don't give a fuck what people like you think,Australians in particular....think you are a Joke............you have too much power considering your Countrys Debt and Personal Debt.....you always by Guns and have the money for that......but have NO Health Care,Unemployment or Social Safety Net.......in any meaningful way..........Shame on you.......but Winners for Australians because we are the Best..............Your average Wages for a working person..IS A DISGRACE.......Totally...go get a life

 

[PredFan]

Here is a way to get to the posted story...

Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives - Courier Mail
www.couriermail.com.au/...port-arthur-gun-ban...saved-l...
The Courier‑Mail
2 days ago - The Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives. April 27 ... Not a single inquiry or inquest was ever held into the Port Arthur massacre, unlike the two ...

An Opinion not fact

Typical gun grabbing idiot. You will ignore the facts until some criminal shove his illegal gun right up your ass.

Well I note in your Avie YOU are behind BARS....Thank God...You are one of the CRETINS that think it's safer for society to have Guns,like most Banana Republics.........Here we not only think you are morons but know it for a Fact, LOSER

So you are clueless about my Avie and about gun control. Are so clueless about everything else?

Here's one clue for you for free:

Americans don't give a fat fuck about what you Aussies think.

Of course you don't,what you must understand IS.....Is that the WORLD don't give a fuck what people like you think,Australians in particular....think you are a Joke............you have too much power considering your Countrys Debt and Personal Debt.....you always by Guns and have the money for that......but have NO Health Care,Unemployment or Social Safety Net.......in any meaningful way..........Shame on you.......but Winners for Australians because we are the Best..............Your average Wages for a working person..IS A DISGRACE.......Totally...go get a life

Liar. It's pretty obvious you care a LOT. So if you don't care, then go the fuck away.

 

[Rustic]

Here is a way to get to the posted story...

Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives - Courier Mail
www.couriermail.com.au/...port-arthur-gun-ban...saved-l...
The Courier‑Mail
2 days ago - The Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives. April 27 ... Not a single inquiry or inquest was ever held into the Port Arthur massacre, unlike the two ...

An Opinion not fact

Typical gun grabbing idiot. You will ignore the facts until some criminal shove his illegal gun right up your ass.

Well I note in your Avie YOU are behind BARS....Thank God...You are one of the CRETINS that think it's safer for society to have Guns,like most Banana Republics.........Here we not only think you are morons but know it for a Fact, LOSER

So you are clueless about my Avie and about gun control. Are so clueless about everything else?

Here's one clue for you for free:

Americans don't give a fat fuck about what you Aussies think.

Of course you don't,what you must understand IS.....Is that the WORLD don't give a fuck what people like you think,Australians in particular....think you are a Joke............you have too much power considering your Countrys Debt and Personal Debt.....you always by Guns and have the money for that......but have NO Health Care,Unemployment or Social Safety Net.......in any meaningful way..........Shame on you.......but Winners for Australians because we are the Best..............Your average Wages for a working person..IS A DISGRACE.......Totally...go get a life

Buy more guns and ammo...

 

[2aguy]

Do you realize that there are now as many guns in Australia as there were before the ban....and you still have gun violence and that it is going up..........compared to your buddies in New Zealand....?

LINK Please.steve

Here is a way to get to the posted story...

Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives - Courier Mail
www.couriermail.com.au/...port-arthur-gun-ban...saved-l...
The Courier‑Mail
2 days ago - The Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives. April 27 ... Not a single inquiry or inquest was ever held into the Port Arthur massacre, unlike the two ...

An Opinion not fact

Typical gun grabbing idiot. You will ignore the facts until some criminal shove his illegal gun right up your ass.

Well I note in your Avie YOU are behind BARS....Thank God...You are one of the CRETINS that think it's safer for society to have Guns,like most Banana Republics.........Here we not only think you are morons but know it for a Fact, LOSER

no...banana republics disarm their people...a free people is armed and ready to defend themselves...just ask the Swiss......and when your violent crime goes up and up....and normal people are the only ones without guns....then come back and tell us how well the gun confiscation worked and how your extreme gun control laws keep people safe....

You guys are about where we were in the late 1950s and early 1960s......just before the criminals got out of control....

 

[PredFan]

LINK Please.steve

Here is a way to get to the posted story...

Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives - Courier Mail
www.couriermail.com.au/...port-arthur-gun-ban...saved-l...
The Courier‑Mail
2 days ago - The Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives. April 27 ... Not a single inquiry or inquest was ever held into the Port Arthur massacre, unlike the two ...

An Opinion not fact

Typical gun grabbing idiot. You will ignore the facts until some criminal shove his illegal gun right up your ass.

Well I note in your Avie YOU are behind BARS....Thank God...You are one of the CRETINS that think it's safer for society to have Guns,like most Banana Republics.........Here we not only think you are morons but know it for a Fact, LOSER

no...banana republics disarm their people...a free people is armed and ready to defend themselves...just ask the Swiss......and when your violent crime goes up and up....and normal people are the only ones without guns....then come back and tell us how well the gun confiscation worked and how your extreme gun control laws keep people safe....

You guys are about where we were in the late 1950s and early 1960s......just before the criminals got out of control....

That post of his was particularly funny to me because the dumbass thinks I'm Hillary Clinton.

 

[theliq]

Here is a way to get to the posted story...

Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives - Courier Mail
www.couriermail.com.au/...port-arthur-gun-ban...saved-l...
The Courier‑Mail
2 days ago - The Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives. April 27 ... Not a single inquiry or inquest was ever held into the Port Arthur massacre, unlike the two ...

An Opinion not fact

Typical gun grabbing idiot. You will ignore the facts until some criminal shove his illegal gun right up your ass.

Well I note in your Avie YOU are behind BARS....Thank God...You are one of the CRETINS that think it's safer for society to have Guns,like most Banana Republics.........Here we not only think you are morons but know it for a Fact, LOSER

no...banana republics disarm their people...a free people is armed and ready to defend themselves...just ask the Swiss......and when your violent crime goes up and up....and normal people are the only ones without guns....then come back and tell us how well the gun confiscation worked and how your extreme gun control laws keep people safe....

You guys are about where we were in the late 1950s and early 1960s......just before the criminals got out of control....

That post of his was particularly funny to me because the dumbass thinks I'm Hillary Clinton.

YAWN......When people like you who lie,think you are telling the truth,shows how Mad you are,refrain from any dialogue with me please because your idiocy is totally Mad..........

 

[theliq]

LINK Please.steve

Here is a way to get to the posted story...

Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives - Courier Mail
www.couriermail.com.au/...port-arthur-gun-ban...saved-l...
The Courier‑Mail
2 days ago - The Port Arthur gun ban hasn't saved lives. April 27 ... Not a single inquiry or inquest was ever held into the Port Arthur massacre, unlike the two ...

An Opinion not fact

Typical gun grabbing idiot. You will ignore the facts until some criminal shove his illegal gun right up your ass.

Well I note in your Avie YOU are behind BARS....Thank God...You are one of the CRETINS that think it's safer for society to have Guns,like most Banana Republics.........Here we not only think you are morons but know it for a Fact, LOSER

no...banana republics disarm their people...a free people is armed and ready to defend themselves...just ask the Swiss......and when your violent crime goes up and up....and normal people are the only ones without guns....then come back and tell us how well the gun confiscation worked and how your extreme gun control laws keep people safe....

You guys are about where we were in the late 1950s and early 1960s......just before the criminals got out of control....

You are not free if you need to carry a Fire Arm.....it is because mentally you are demeaned........how can carrying a Gun (For any Idiot) be safer that not carrying a Gun.......Had your fore fathers realised what sort of society you would become they would NEVER have allowed such an amendment,apart from that it is un civil and UNCIVILIZED

 

[theliq]

An Opinion not fact

Typical gun grabbing idiot. You will ignore the facts until some criminal shove his illegal gun right up your ass.

Well I note in your Avie YOU are behind BARS....Thank God...You are one of the CRETINS that think it's safer for society to have Guns,like most Banana Republics.........Here we not only think you are morons but know it for a Fact, LOSER

So you are clueless about my Avie and about gun control. Are so clueless about everything else?

Here's one clue for you for free:

Americans don't give a fat fuck about what you Aussies think.

Of course you don't,what you must understand IS.....Is that the WORLD don't give a fuck what people like you think,Australians in particular....think you are a Joke............you have too much power considering your Countrys Debt and Personal Debt.....you always by Guns and have the money for that......but have NO Health Care,Unemployment or Social Safety Net.......in any meaningful way..........Shame on you.......but Winners for Australians because we are the Best..............Your average Wages for a working person..IS A DISGRACE.......Totally...go get a life

Buy more guns and ammo...

Moron

 

[theliq]

An Opinion not fact

Typical gun grabbing idiot. You will ignore the facts until some criminal shove his illegal gun right up your ass.

Well I note in your Avie YOU are behind BARS....Thank God...You are one of the CRETINS that think it's safer for society to have Guns,like most Banana Republics.........Here we not only think you are morons but know it for a Fact, LOSER

So you are clueless about my Avie and about gun control. Are so clueless about everything else?

Here's one clue for you for free:

Americans don't give a fat fuck about what you Aussies think.

Of course you don't,what you must understand IS.....Is that the WORLD don't give a fuck what people like you think,Australians in particular....think you are a Joke............you have too much power considering your Countrys Debt and Personal Debt.....you always by Guns and have the money for that......but have NO Health Care,Unemployment or Social Safety Net.......in any meaningful way..........Shame on you.......but Winners for Australians because we are the Best..............Your average Wages for a working person..IS A DISGRACE.......Totally...go get a life

Liar. It's pretty obvious you care a LOT. So if you don't care, then go the fuck away.

It's a shame that some of American Society like you and the discredited 2aguy are so completely Ignorant