August 6

[RetiredGySgt]

Japan was building the atomic bomb as were we during the war. Thanks to FDR we won the race, and had the means to deliver it. Would Japan have used the bomb on the US if it meant
Japan would win the war?

The Japanese did not have a nuclear program. Our program was created because we thought the Germans were developing the bomb. Turns out they weren't. Since most of the theory was by Jews, Hitler rejected it.

The reality is, we probably didn't need to use it, the Japanese were already looking for a way to surrender.

Let's look at the sequence of events.

We issue our terms for surrender. The Japanese agree to most of them and want to retain the Emperor.

We drop the bomb, and the USSR enters the Pacific War, breaking their non-aggression pact with Japan. As Japan was not really ready for a new front, the Russians pretty quickly start rolling up their forces in Manchuria and Korea.

Now, here's the thing, the last thing Japan wanted was to be partitioned like Germany. And the US didn't want that either. So suddenly we became all cool with Hirohito (a War Criminal as bad as any other) keeping his job.

Again for the TRULY SLOW and STUPID, the FACTS are that at NO time did the actual Government of Japan offer to surrender, even after 2 atomic bombs it took the intervention of the Emperor to cause them to surrender and then the Army staged a Coup to stop that.

 

[sealybobo]

1945


73 years have passed since the first use of an atomic weapon in war. Most of the 150,000 victims were civilians. Women, children, the elderly. The effects of this new weapon on real people shocked the conscience of the world, and its use at that time is still debated to this day.

Regardless of one's position on Truman's decision, it is fitting to take a moment to remember so many lives taken and the horror of war in general. There is a reason the monument to the event in the city is called the Peace Park.

Slaves were freed 1863. All of them were human beings. The effects of slavery on black men, women and children are still being felt today.

Regardless of ones position on slavery, it is fitting to take a moment to remember all the lives that were taken and the horrors of slavery.

 

[Unkotare]

For what purpose does the OP have to breed hate of a war already paid in blood??

I would remind the op we are still allies.....

Serves no purpose to open old wounds....Is the op
Trying to wedge relations between our countries and if so for what purpose???????

What in the wide, wide world of sports are you talking about?

What is your purpose here? That was 1945 and you want to create Hate here..............
Why?

Why are you in the history forum if discussing history upsets you so?

Doesn't upset me. It appears to upset you, and you refuse to answer the question.

What question? Why to discuss history? It's the fucking History forum!

 

[sealybobo]

What is your purpose here? That was 1945 and you want to create Hate here..............
Why?

Why are you in the history forum if discussing history upsets you so?

Doesn't upset me. It appears to upset you, and you refuse to answer the question.

What question? Why to discuss history? It's the fucking History forum!

You are such a coward

White women benefit most from affirmative action — and are among its fiercest opponents

Is it time for you to lie again? Is this thread about affirmative action?

Well you got me banned from that other thread so I wanted to get the last word.

This is a history forum. I'm discussing history. This thread is about AUGUST 6th. A lot happened on this date

Events[edit]

• 135 – The Roman Empire lays siege to Betar, effectively ending the Bar Kokhba revolt.
• 1284 – The Republic of Pisa is defeated in the Battle of Meloria by the Republic of Genoa, thus losing its naval dominance in the Mediterranean.
• 1506 – The Grand Duchy of Lithuania defeated the Crimean Khanate in the Battle of Kletsk
• 1538 – Bogotá, Colombia, is founded by Gonzalo Jiménez de Quesada.
• 1661 – The Treaty of The Hague is signed by Portugal and the Dutch Republic.
• 1777 – American Revolutionary War: The bloody Battle of Oriskany prevents American relief of the Siege of Fort Stanwix.
• 1787 – Sixty proof sheets of the Constitution of the United States are delivered to the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
• 1806 – Francis II, the last Holy Roman Emperor, abdicates, ending the Holy Roman Empire.
• 1819 – Norwich University is founded in Vermont as the first private military school in the United States.
• 1824 – Peruvian War of Independence: The Battle of Junín.
• 1825 – Bolivia gains independence from Spain.
• 1861 – The United Kingdom annexes Lagos, Nigeria.
• 1862 – American Civil War: The Confederate ironclad CSS Arkansas is scuttled on the Mississippi River after suffering catastrophic engine failure near Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
• 1870 – Franco-Prussian War: The Battle of Spicheren is fought, resulting in a Prussian victory.
• 1870 – Franco-Prussian War: The Battle of Wörth results in a decisive Prussian victory.
• 1890 – At Auburn Prison in New York, murderer William Kemmler becomes the first person to be executed by electric chair.
• 1901 – Kiowa land in Oklahoma is opened for white settlement, effectively dissolving the contiguous reservation.
• 1912 – The Bull Moose Party meets at the Chicago Coliseum.
• 1914 – World War I: First Battle of the Atlantic: Two days after the United Kingdom had declared war on Germany over the German invasion of Belgium, ten German U-boats leave their base in Heligoland to attack Royal Navy warships in the North Sea.
• 1914 – World War I: Serbia declares war on Germany; Austria declares war on Russia.
• 1915 – World War I: Battle of Sari Bair: The Allies mount a diversionary attack timed to coincide with a major Allied landing of reinforcements at Suvla Bay.
• 1917 – World War I: Battle of Mărășești between the Romanian and German armies begins.
• 1926 – Gertrude Ederle becomes the first woman to swim across the English Channel.
• 1926 – In New York City, the Warner Bros.' Vitaphone system premieres with the movie Don Juan starring John Barrymore.
• 1930 – Judge Joseph Force Crater steps into a taxi in New York and disappears, never to be seen again.
• 1940 – Estonia was illegally annexed by the Soviet Union.
• 1942 – Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands becomes the first reigning queen to address a joint session of the United States Congress.
• 1944 – The Warsaw Uprising occurs on August 1. It is brutally suppressed and all able-bodied men in Kraków are detained afterwards to prevent a similar uprising, the Kraków Uprising, that was planned but never carried out.
• 1945 – World War II: Hiroshima, Japan is devastated when the atomic bomb "Little Boy" is dropped by the United States B-29 Enola Gay. Around 70,000 people are killed instantly, and some tens of thousands die in subsequent years from burns and radiation poisoning.
• 1956 – After going bankrupt in 1955, the American broadcaster DuMont Television Network makes its final broadcast, a boxing match from St. Nicholas Arena in New York in the Boxing from St. Nicholas Arena series.
• 1960 – Cuban Revolution: Cuba nationalizes American and foreign-owned property in the nation.
• 1962 – Jamaica becomes independent from the United Kingdom.
• 1965 – US President Lyndon B. Johnson signs the Voting Rights Act of 1965 into law.
• 1986 – A low-pressure system that redeveloped off the New South Wales coast dumps a record 328 millimeters (13 inches) of rain in a day on Sydney, New South Wales, Australia.
• 1990 – Gulf War: The United Nations Security Council orders a global trade embargo against Iraq in response to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.
• 1991 – Tim Berners-Lee releases files describing his idea for the World Wide Web. WWW debuts as a publicly available service on the Internet.
• 1991 – Takako Doi, chair of the Social Democratic Party, becomes Japan's first female speaker of the House of Representatives.
• 1996 – The Ramones played their farewell concert at The Palace, Los Angeles, CA.
• 1996 – NASA announces that the ALH 84001 meteorite, thought to originate from Mars, contains evidence of primitive life-forms.
• 1997 – Korean Air Flight 801 crashed at Nimitz Hill, Guam killing 228 of 254 people on board.
• 2001 – Erwadi fire incident, 28 mentally ill persons tied to a chain were burnt to death at a faith based institution at Erwadi, Tamil Nadu.
• 2008 – A military junta led by Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz stages a coup d'état in Mauritania, overthrowing president Sidi Ould Cheikh Abdallahi.
• 2010 – Flash floods across a large part of Jammu and Kashmir, India, damages 71 towns and kills at least 255 people.
• 2011 – War in Afghanistan: A United States military helicopter is shot down, killing 30 American special forces members and a working dog, seven Afghan soldiers, and one Afghan civilian. It was the deadliest single event for the United States in the War in Afghanistan.
• 2012 – NASA's Curiosity rover lands on the surface of Mars.
• 2015 – A suicide bomb attack kills at least 15 people at a mosque in the Saudi city of Abha.

 

[Unkotare]

1945


73 years have passed since the first use of an atomic weapon in war. Most of the 150,000 victims were civilians. Women, children, the elderly. The effects of this new weapon on real people shocked the conscience of the world, and its use at that time is still debated to this day.

Regardless of one's position on Truman's decision, it is fitting to take a moment to remember so many lives taken and the horror of war in general. There is a reason the monument to the event in the city is called the Peace Park.

Slaves were freed 1863. .....

No, they were not. Spam more accurately.

 

[Unkotare]

.... He says by them bringing up the past, they are just dividing us. .....

I never said that. Can't you communicate at all without being dishonest?

 

[Unkotare]

.... at NO time did the actual Government of Japan offer to surrender, .......

That is not true, no matter how many times you spam it.

 

[Unkotare]

[....
Me: Concentration camps are still around and exist all over the US in case a major war breaks out again or an uprising occurs and mass groups of people need to be rounded up and watched. We had evidence of a concentration camp when children of illegal immigrants were separated from their parents. We also have Guantanomo Bay still operating.

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You might want to take some time and learn what a "concentration camp" is.

 

[sealybobo]

.... He says by them bringing up the past, they are just dividing us. .....

I never said that. Can't you communicate at all without being dishonest?

What did you say?

 

[Unkotare]

.... He says by them bringing up the past, they are just dividing us. .....

I never said that. Can't you communicate at all without being dishonest?

What did you say?

If you have a question about another thread, go ask on that thread. Stay focused.

Did you start the thread in the FZ as I instructed you to?

 

[sealybobo]

[....
Me: Concentration camps are still around and exist all over the US in case a major war breaks out again or an uprising occurs and mass groups of people need to be rounded up and watched. We had evidence of a concentration camp when children of illegal immigrants were separated from their parents. We also have Guantanomo Bay still operating.

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You might want to take some time and learn what a "concentration camp" is.

It's where white people sent their kids to play board games when Japs were locked up during WW2.

 

[Unkotare]

[....
Me: Concentration camps are still around and exist all over the US in case a major war breaks out again or an uprising occurs and mass groups of people need to be rounded up and watched. We had evidence of a concentration camp when children of illegal immigrants were separated from their parents. We also have Guantanomo Bay still operating.

......

You might want to take some time and learn what a "concentration camp" is.

It's where white people sent their kids to play board games when Japs[sic] were locked up during WW2.

So, you're just here to troll today?

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[RetiredGySgt]

.... at NO time did the actual Government of Japan offer to surrender, .......

That is not true, no matter how many times you spam it.

Be specific and link us to ACTUAL Japanese Government documents that show Japan ever offered to surrender? I can link to ( and have in fact) to ACTUAL Japanese Government documents that show they did NOT offer to surrender after either atomic bomb.

 

[Unkotare]

"...two days prior to Roosevelt's departure for Yalta, the president received a crucial, forty page memorandum from General Douglas MacArthur outlining five separate surrender overtures from highly placed Jap officials offering surrender terms which were virtually identical to the ones eventually dictated by the Allies to the Japanese in August."

Chicago Tribune History

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[Unkotare]

"...two days prior to Roosevelt's departure for Yalta, the president received a crucial, forty page memorandum from General Douglas MacArthur outlining five separate surrender overtures from highly placed Jap officials offering surrender terms which were virtually identical to the ones eventually dictated by the Allies to the Japanese in August."

Chicago Tribune History

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[Unkotare]

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Your leaders as in the ones you are citing dumb ass. NONE of them were ever in the Pacific theater and havdn't a clue about the Japanese and their behavior........

Hmmm....how about Admiral Halsey? How about Admiral Nimitz? YOU understand the fighting in the Pacific much better than they did, right? If you had read the links like I repeatedly instructed you to, you wouldn't look so foolish now.

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[Unkotare]

The War Was Won Before Hiroshima—And the Generals Who Dropped the Bomb Knew It

 

[Unkotare]

"General Dwight Eisenhower voiced his opposition at Potsdam. "The Japanese were already defeated," he told Secretary of War Henry Stimson, "and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing." Admiral William Leahy, President Harry Truman's chief of staff, said that the "Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender….The use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan." General Douglas MacArthur said that the Japanese would have gladly surrendered as early as May if the U.S. had told them they could keep the emperor. Similar views were voiced by Admirals Chester Nimitz, Ernest King and William Halsey, and General Henry Arnold."


https://www.usnews.com/opinion/arti...-truths-about-using-the-atomic-bombs-on-japan

 

[sealybobo]

.... He says by them bringing up the past, they are just dividing us. .....

I never said that. Can't you communicate at all without being dishonest?

What did you say?

If you have a question about another thread, go ask on that thread. Stay focused.

Did you start the thread in the FZ as I instructed you to?

As you instructed me to? LOL.

And no, you cried so now I can't reply to you for 5 days on that other thread.

 

[Unkotare]

.... He says by them bringing up the past, they are just dividing us. .....

I never said that. Can't you communicate at all without being dishonest?

What did you say?

If you have a question about another thread, go ask on that thread. Stay focused.

Did you start the thread in the FZ as I instructed you to?

As you instructed me to? .....

Yes. Now STFU and take your meltdown to the FZ so you can stop trolling this forum.