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    I want to discuss a few things with you. I'm considered an atheist by some, because I don't believe in God.

    By atheists, I'm not considered one, because I practice Buddhism, a non-theistic spiritual path.

    What is your experience being atheist in America? Bush I said atheists shouldn't be citizens or hold public office. It is doubtful an atheist could be elected POTUS in the US.

    Some people say atheism is a religion because of it's non-beliefs.

    What do you say?
     
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    I'd LOVE to see a source for this.
     
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    Attributed by Robert I. Sherman, reporting in American Atheist about a public press conference Bush held at O'Hare Airport on 27 August 1987.[1] No other journalist confirmed that Bush made the remark.
     
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    Ahh, good old second-hand stuff. And Sherman, hardly biased! :lmao:
     
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    So you practice Buddism but don't believe Buddha to be a deity?
    Sounds as if you're Buddist to me.

    And Yes I'd also like to see where you are getting your information on Bush's alleged comment on Atheists.
     
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    It's a conspiracy.
     
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    Tibet is a theocracy.
     
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    When George Bush was campaigning for the presidency, as incumbent vice-president, one of his stops was in Chicago, Illinois, on August 27, 1987. At O'Hare Airport he held a formal outdoor news conference. There Robert I. Sherman, a reporter for the American Atheist news journal, fully accredited by the state of Illinois and by invitation a participating member of the press corps covering the national candidates, had the following exchange with then-Vice-President Bush.

    Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of the Americans who are atheists?

    Bush: I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in God is important to me.

    Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?

    Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

    Sherman (somewhat taken aback): Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation of state and church?

    Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not very high on atheists.


    George H. W. Bush: "Atheists Neither Citizens Nor Patriots
     
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    This document is a letter that Jon Murray sent to every Member of Congress on February 21, 1990. In this letter, Mr. Murray describes the news conference that I attended, quotes exactly the conversation between Mr. Bush and myself, and then states:

    Subsequent to these astonishing statements, I wrote to (then) Vice President Bush demanding a clarification of these remarks. More than two months later, on February 21, 1989, C. Boyden Gray, Counsel to the President, wrote to me from the White House as follows:

    "Your letter of December 19, 1988, to President Bush has been referred to me for reply. As you are aware, the President is a religious man who neither supports atheism nor believes that atheism should be unnecessarily encouraged or supported by the government. Needless to say, the President supports the Constitution and laws of the United States, and you may rest assured that this Administration will proceed at all times with due regard for the legal rights of atheists, as will as others with whom the President disagrees."

    This letter was a clear admission by the President, through his counsel, that he had indeed made the remarks and was not backing down from them.

    Documents Prove Bush Questioned Citizenship of Atheists
     
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