Assault on Waco

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    The same rogue federal agency that gave us the Ruby Ridge Siege and about 15 years later Operation Fast and Furious is responsible for the initial confrontation that ultimately resulted in the incineration of about 80 people in Texas. The time span is interesting. The first attack by the jihad on the World Trade Center happened on 2/26/93 and two days later the ATF attacked a quasi Christian religious center in Waco Texas. Was there a connection?
    The whole thing started when residents of the Branch Dividian center in Waco became interested in old junk British surplus weapons which were legal to possess. The Dividians came to the attention of the ATF because they also sent away for (legal) pamphlets that showed how to rebuild the weapons. The ATF could have stopped Dividian leader David Koresch at the 7-11 or called him in for a visit but they did what leaderless rogue units often do. They tried for the big score with a frontal assault by cammo clad agents in civilian vehicles. Nobody knows who fired the first shot but strangely enough the Dividians did not go quietly and a gunfight erupted.
    President Clinton got what he wanted which was a diversion from the jihad attack on the WTC but the operation turned into a nightmare. By April the feds had enough and a crazy plan was authorized by the Attorney General where Military tanks would break into the compound and pump lethal CS gas (different from CN "tear gas" and illegal to use in prisons) into the buildings. The CS gas was a powder form and had to be used with a carrier gas which turned out to be as volatile as lacquer thinner. The stuff ignited an inferno and about 80 citizens burned to death. Ironically if the Military pulled the same stunt in Iraq or Afghanistan there would be hell to pay but with the cooperation of the media Clinton came away clean.
    No illegal weapons as alleged in the initial ATF search warrant were ever recovered.
     
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    President Obama would never authorize an attack like that, because he can use Drones instead.
     
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    I fought the law, and the law won
    I fought the law and the law won
     
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    The fact is the raid never should have happened. Nothing illegal was going on at the Compound. The ATF secretly took away the FFL licenses of those at the Compound just before the raid and claimed that illegal gun buying had occurred. Not true, every purchase was legal and followed the law.

    Embarrassed after 3 months of siege the FBI staged an illegal raid using the military. The FBI KNEW that the wooden structured were set to be burned if attacked, with gasoline placed all over the structures, yet they authorized the use of tanks to not only break through the walls but spew flammable chemicals and fire starting canisters into the mix.

    The compound was no threat during the 3 month siege not one shot was fired from the compound and no one attempted to leave. The FBI murdered those children.

    There is no evidence that in the initial raid the civilians even fired on the ATF. The first pictures later taken down and never seen again had an ATF agent spraying a window with automatic fire where 3 of his partners had just entered. The door to the compound recovered intact had no bullet holes originating from inside the compound and was conveniently lost when Congress ask to see it. None of the cars in the parking lot had bullet holes originating from the compound all holes were from outside where the ATF was.
     
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    And some people complain when 'W' is criticized because it was 'so long ago'!

    Not defending Bill, and not saying the assault was really justified, but illegal invasions and countless thousands killed is, anyone would admit, far more serious.
     
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    Shooting Federal Agents is frowned upon. Killing four of them can lead to some pissed off agents

    I fought the law and the law won
     
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    Another issue is the way the Dividians were treated during the siege. The FBI never offered legal council or even authorized medical treatment to the people inside the "compound". The media made up stories about super weapons and child abuse in order to slant public opinion which would ordinarily tend to be sympathetic. The FBI even tried shoddy torture methods of blasting crazy music at night. If a similar condition happened in an Afghanistan village there would be widespread condemnation and hell to pay if Islamic fundamentalists were incinerated.
     
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    They killed four agents trying to lawfully serve a warrant

    That kind of ruins your expectation of soft treatment
     
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    1992--Ruby Ridge Idaho. President George H.W. Bush unleashed federal marshall's against a perfectly innocent citizen named Randy Weaver who was merely exercising his Constitutional rights. The incident, which resulted in the deaths of 3 people and the wounding of 2 others, was to distract public attention from the finalizing of the North American Free Trade Agreement, which had been reached the week before.

    See? Two can play this stupid game. :roll eyes:

    Wanna play some more?
     
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    but but but... they were white supremacist survivalist nutcases... aren't they supposed to get a pass?
     

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