Ask a snob: Why are MILLIONS of jobs going "unfilled"?

[BakshisMouse]

There is no way to raise student scoring that doesn't involve participation by the students. If they insist on failing, there is no form of education and no amount of money that will change their minds. That includes direct payment.

A well-skilled counselor might get some students to care. Not all of them, but some. Conselors need salaries too, though.

 

[BakshisMouse]

I should have said that it is certainly more free than education in the USA because there sure as fuck isn't as big of a student debt issue in those countires as there is in the USA.

These countries are also sure as fuck not going through government debt crises.

Addendum: Germany's response to other countries' debt crises could very well screw itself over.

 

[tjvh]

What the fuck does that have to do with the OP?

In any case, there are plenty of "free" schools of higher education in the world. Just look at Germany, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland. The tuition and other expenses for domestic students in these public universities is funded by the state. It might not be "free", because it's funded by tax dollars, but there you go.

Nice contradiction...It "might" not be free? Oh it absolutely IS NOT FREE when it IS Tax Dollars funding it.

I should have said that it is certainly more free than education in the USA because there sure as fuck isn't as big of a student debt issue in those countires as there is in the USA.

These countries are also sure as fuck not going through government debt crises.

OF COURSE THERE ISN'T AS MUCH DEBT!!!!!! Three of the four Countries you use as examples could just about fit INSIDE Texas. Germany has no stellar Economy, and all your examples have OUTRAGEOUS Taxes. It amazes me the Left always views Sweden as the end to their means. America is NOT Sweden, and most of us here prefer to have our own identity.

 

[BakshisMouse]

OF COURSE THERE ISN'T AS MUCH DEBT!!!!!! Three of the four Countries you use as examples could just about fit INSIDE Texas. Germany has no stellar Economy, and all your examples have OUTRAGEOUS Taxes. It amazes me the Left always views Sweden as the end to their means. America is NOT Sweden, and most of us here prefer to have our own identity.

Actually, all of the countries listed here could easily fit in Texas.

And despite their OUTRAGEOUS taxes, they're still among the richest in the world.

Public university education is even cheaper in fucking Japan:

The University of Tokyo [Admission Information] Enrollment fee and tuition

Despite Japan's high level of debt, there is still no indication they will enter a crisis any time soon.

Are you seriously saying we can't follow their examples because there is no country in the world that has as much suburban sprawl as we do?

 

[tjvh]

I should have said that it is certainly more free than education in the USA because there sure as fuck isn't as big of a student debt issue in those countires as there is in the USA.

These countries are also sure as fuck not going through government debt crises.

OF COURSE THERE ISN'T AS MUCH DEBT!!!!!! Three of the four Countries you use as examples could just about fit INSIDE Texas. Germany has no stellar Economy, and all your examples have OUTRAGEOUS Taxes. It amazes me the Left always views Sweden as the end to their means. America is NOT Sweden, and most of us here prefer to have our own identity.

Actually, all of the countries listed here could easily fit in Texas.

And despite their OUTRAGEOUS taxes, they're still among the richest in the world.

Public university education is even cheaper in fucking Japan:

The University of Tokyo [Admission Information] Enrollment fee and tuition

Despite Japan's high level of debt, there is still no indication they will enter a crisis any time soon.

Are you seriously saying we can't follow their examples because there is no country in the world with as much suburban sprawl as we do?

We get it...You're a Socialist. Let me guess, you are currently enrolled in College, and you are trying to argue why WE the Taxpayers need to subsidize you. Take some personal responsibility for your own debts, and leave the rest of us out of it. By the way, you don't have to use the word "Fuck" in every post to get your point across... Seems to muddy the water if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[BakshisMouse]

Are you seriously saying we can't follow their examples because there is no country in the world that has as much suburban sprawl as we do?

The reason why I'm jumping to that conclusion is because of your "they're small countries, so it's not applicable to us" deflection.

Well, Japan and Germany both have substantial populations. 120+ million and 80+ million, respectively.

If geographical size is what you are talking about, here's the cost for an education at the Australian National University (in Australian dollars):

ANU - STUDYAT - Fees and Charges

What about these countries is inapplicable to the USA?

 

[BakshisMouse]

OF COURSE THERE ISN'T AS MUCH DEBT!!!!!! Three of the four Countries you use as examples could just about fit INSIDE Texas. Germany has no stellar Economy, and all your examples have OUTRAGEOUS Taxes. It amazes me the Left always views Sweden as the end to their means. America is NOT Sweden, and most of us here prefer to have our own identity.

Actually, all of the countries listed here could easily fit in Texas.

And despite their OUTRAGEOUS taxes, they're still among the richest in the world.

Public university education is even cheaper in fucking Japan:

The University of Tokyo [Admission Information] Enrollment fee and tuition

Despite Japan's high level of debt, there is still no indication they will enter a crisis any time soon.

Are you seriously saying we can't follow their examples because there is no country in the world with as much suburban sprawl as we do?

We get it...You're a Socialist. Let me guess, you are currently enrolled in College, and you are trying to argue why WE the Taxpayers need to subsidize you. Take some personal responsibility for your own debts, and leave the rest of us out of it. By the way, you don't have to use the word "Fuck" in every post to get your point across... Seems to muddy the water if you want to be taken seriously.

I love that the developed nation that has some of the lowest taxes in the world produces the people who whine the most about taxes. Now answer my above post.

 

[tjvh]

Actually, all of the countries listed here could easily fit in Texas.

And despite their OUTRAGEOUS taxes, they're still among the richest in the world.

Public university education is even cheaper in fucking Japan:

The University of Tokyo [Admission Information] Enrollment fee and tuition

Despite Japan's high level of debt, there is still no indication they will enter a crisis any time soon.

Are you seriously saying we can't follow their examples because there is no country in the world with as much suburban sprawl as we do?

We get it...You're a Socialist. Let me guess, you are currently enrolled in College, and you are trying to argue why WE the Taxpayers need to subsidize you. Take some personal responsibility for your own debts, and leave the rest of us out of it. By the way, you don't have to use the word "Fuck" in every post to get your point across... Seems to muddy the water if you want to be taken seriously.

I love that the developed nation that has some of the lowest taxes in the world produces the people who whine the most about taxes. Now answer my above post.

I already did. (see highlight above)

 

[BakshisMouse]

We get it...You're a Socialist. Let me guess, you are currently enrolled in College, and you are trying to argue why WE the Taxpayers need to subsidize you. Take some personal responsibility for your own debts, and leave the rest of us out of it. By the way, you don't have to use the word "Fuck" in every post to get your point across... Seems to muddy the water if you want to be taken seriously.

Outside of the negligible effect on "personal responsibiliby", would you please tell me how larger federal funding of public university education coupled with more generous federal aid would be negative for the country as a whole?

 

[BakshisMouse]

I already did. (see highlight above)

Since we are posting asymmetrically anyways, I'd like to point out that I requested that you answer this question:

What about these countries is inapplicable to the USA?

My being a socialist is not really a logical response to that query.

 

[rdean]

'Free' education? Could rdean explain how we educate kids for 'free'?

I don't know what you're talking about. No education will cost this country infinitely more than supporting education in a manner that makes sense.

Why do you always lie? You're just awful. At least I tell the truth. And then, you say you don't bother reading links because your tiny mind is already "made up".

 

[The Infidel]

There is no way to raise student scoring that doesn't involve participation by the students. If they insist on failing, there is no form of education and no amount of money that will change their minds. That includes direct payment.

And it ALL starts at home, not with the gov't.

No amount of money on earth is going to help if you do not have the family structure to support it.
Look at most of the countries where student "seem" to be smarter than American kids. There is usually a strong family structure to go with it.

Government IS NOT the answer, and more money will not solve the problem.

 

[The Infidel]

'Free' education? Could rdean explain how we educate kids for 'free'?

I don't know what you're talking about. No education will cost this country infinitely more than supporting education in a manner that makes sense.

Why do you always lie? You're just awful. At least I tell the truth. And then, you say you don't bother reading links because your tiny mind is already "made up".

 

[rdean]

Well THAT would be the Bankers plan and they own both parties.

But still, one party is for education and jobs and the other party helped move millions of jobs to China and cuts education in every way they can. So it seems there is a difference.

Look Dweeb! We would love to put the product of the current US education system to work, but we need workers with basic math skills. Someone that can put a readable sentence together with a minimum of spelling mistakes and proper punctuation. We don't give a shit about Malcolm X's date of birth or Heather has Two Mommies.
We want people who can operate a machine tool without getting their body piercings caught on moving parts and who's pants won't fall off if they have to move quickly. We want our workers to show up on time sober straight and well rested., not strung out, beat up or tired from a week of occupying Wall Street. And we WON'T be bailing them out of jail for pissing on police cars.
Conservatives don't "hate" education, you idiot! We just want the system to turn out educated graduates.

You're wrong. If you go by "actions", conservatives hate education. Don't call a pile of shit a "rose". If it smells like shit, feels like shit and looks like shit, it's shit. Republicans hate education. Even Santorum said it's for "snobs". Not something that can be denied.

 

[rdean]

We just want the system to turn out educated graduates.

Derp doesn't want educated graduates.

He wants indoctrinated graduates. Kids who are taught what to think, not how to think.

It's the only way liberalism can survive.

It's not me who want's "mysticism" taught as "science" or believes the Grand Canyon was created by "Noah's Flood".

 

[rdean]

If we raised students’ math scores on international tests by 40 points, we would realize $75 trillion in economic gains by 2090. According to the U.S. Department of Labor, we have about 3.2 million unfilled jobs, while 14 million Americans are unemployed. Even worse, experts predict a shortage of 14 million college-educated workers by 2020.

More than half of business leaders say their companies face a major challenge in recruiting non-managerial employees with the right skills, training, and education. If we don’t pick up the pace, by 2020, there will be 123 million jobs in America defined as high-skilled and high-wage but only 50 million people will be qualified to fill them. Every single data point confirms that we must pick up the pace of education.

Instead of figuring out how to get more kids to match their grade level, we are debating issues such as the very existence of the U.S. Department of Education and the extent to which we should hold states and schools accountable.

Building a Globally Competitive Workforce | Institute for a Competitive Workforce

WASHINGTON — The U.S. unemployment rate remains above 8 percent, and every politician extols the importance of job creation. Yet each month thousands of manufacturing jobs are there for the taking – but companies are unable to hire sufficiently skilled workers.

Manufacturers push skills certificate as good jobs go unfilled | McClatchy

From 2010 through March, manufacturers added 470,000 jobs and enjoyed a rate of job growth 10% faster than the rest of the private economy. In the past many areas suffered from having too many industrial workers. Now it looks like we will have too few skilled ones, even in hard-hit sectors like the auto industry. In 2011 there were 50,000 unfilled U.S. job openings in industrial engineering, welding, and computer-controlled machine tool operating, according to the forecasting firm EMSI. If the revival continues, this shortage could worsen.

Cities Leading An American Manufacturing Revival - Forbes

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=1....,cf.osb&fp=e9b8bee5a44da4f1&biw=1192&bih=641

I don't know what to say. Rick Santurum feels education is for snobs. Republicans have blocked Obama at every turn. What is their plan for America? Banana Republic?

Since you linked to this thread in your post in my thread, I'll bite.

I am all for ratcheting up education spending in an effort to improve USA students' international performance. The federal government needs to offer aid to the state and local governments that are in budget shortfalls. However, education quality was not the point of my thread.

I don't remember your thread. Do you have a link?

 

[The Infidel]

Outside of the negligible effect on "personal responsibiliby", would you please tell me how larger federal funding of public university education coupled with more generous federal aid would be negative for the country as a whole?

The universities are spending money on bullshit, and not education..... we can not afford to keep giving them money.

Why not let universities exist on their own merits...? Why do we have to publicly fund them?
The private school my kids attend kicks out more honor student than not (my two oldest included) and not a dime comes from gov't.

Just look at Hillsdale College, not public funding... all private, and they are doing a great job.

Again, government is not the answer here....

 

[BakshisMouse]

I don't remember your thread. Do you have a link?

You say one thing and then ask a completelly different question.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/228050-ask-a-snob-why-are-millions-of-jobs-going-unfilled.html

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved from the US to China. Do a search on the Internet to find out if that's true. Then find out the role of the US Chamber of Commerce. Then find out who the COC gives money to 9 to 1. Then find out which political party gave tax breaks to companies to help them move jobs to China during that time. That should answser a lot of your questions. It's just recent history. Not enough time to be rewritten.
Good Luck!

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[tjvh]

We get it...You're a Socialist. Let me guess, you are currently enrolled in College, and you are trying to argue why WE the Taxpayers need to subsidize you. Take some personal responsibility for your own debts, and leave the rest of us out of it. By the way, you don't have to use the word "Fuck" in every post to get your point across... Seems to muddy the water if you want to be taken seriously.

Outside of the negligible effect on "personal responsibiliby", would you please tell me how larger federal funding of public university education coupled with more generous federal aid would be negative for the country as a whole?

College is a CHOICE. Expecting someone else to pay for the choice YOU MAKE (barring some wounded Warrior program, or the like) with other people's Tax dollars is absurd. And with Tuition at its current numbers, I'd hardly call the Tax drain on what you are seeking, as negligible. If you don't like paying for YOUR OWN Education, join the Military and we'll be happy to SUBSIDIZE YOU.

 

[rdean]

Look Dweeb! We would love to put the product of the current US education system to work, but we need workers with basic math skills. Someone that can put a readable sentence together with a minimum of spelling mistakes and proper punctuation. We don't give a shit about Malcolm X's date of birth or Heather has Two Mommies.
We want people who can operate a machine tool without getting their body piercings caught on moving parts and who's pants won't fall off if they have to move quickly. We want our workers to show up on time sober straight and well rested., not strung out, beat up or tired from a week of occupying Wall Street. And we WON'T be bailing them out of jail for pissing on police cars.
Conservatives don't "hate" education, you idiot! We just want the system to turn out educated graduates.

I've had to major career paths during my life. I spent 11 years as a mover/trucker and 13.5 years as a Systems Analyst/UNIX technical support for trading operations.

I've found that the type of people you described in your post..were mostly associated with physical labor. Or the Moving business. Why? They dropped out of high school.

And YOU rose above it, right? There are jobs begging for workers with few worthy to fill them. People have to start somewhere or should everyone remain unemployed until they are qualified to be system annalists?

Students in some technical schools are already part of an internship while still in school. Many have an employment rate of 95% for graduating students.

Republicans can't say "we just want to turn out qualified students" and support cutting funding and not coming up with a single policy that would ensure "we just want to turn out qualified students". It's bullshit from a lying bullshit party. Actions speak volumes. Without education, this country has no future except to be "third world".