As A Black Person Why Should I Celebrate the 4th of July?

[Asclepias]

Okay. So when was the last time someone forced you to pick cotton.

Hey, you know what, when my Grandpappy Ludwig came over here, I'm sure there were people who called him a Kraut and a Hun... and you know what, it really has no effect on my life today.

Now, if you want to have a discussion about how to resolve today's problems, I'm good with that. But I'm also happy to live in a country where we can have those discussions.

What does picking cotton have to do with not celebrating the 4th?

I'm not asking about how to resolve todays problems. I'm asking for reasons Black people should celebrate the 4th.

Some Whites particularly Irish, and Scots-Irish were picking cotton right next to Blacks, as Indentured Servants, who chose slavery of a temporary manner, over squalor, poverty, and famine in Ireland.

and that has what to do with the 4th of July and Black people?

Well, unlike a lot of Blacks, Mexicans, Natives, etc. etc. not a whole lot of Irish are so anti-Forth of July.

so? sobie------actually the indentured slavery thing went away
before in the USA in favor of black slavery

no such thing as indentured slavery. its indentured servitude.

 

[Asclepias]

and that has what to do with the 4th of July and Black people?

Well, unlike a lot of Blacks, Mexicans, Natives, etc. etc. not a whole lot of Irish are so anti-Forth of July.

So your reason Blacks should celebrate is that the Irish are not anti 4th?

Well, why not live by example, I'm not so sure what kind of example the stereotypical Black sets, however. (Ahem)

I dont take my examples from white people. Your suggestion borders on insanity and makes no sense at all. Whites were not enslaved on the 4th. How did you not know that?

some where ----in various parts of the world

Not the part of the world the 4th is applicable to.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Some Whites particularly Irish, and Scots-Irish were picking cotton right next to Blacks, as Indentured Servants, who chose slavery of a temporary manner, over squalor, poverty, and famine in Ireland.

and that has what to do with the 4th of July and Black people?

Well, unlike a lot of Blacks, Mexicans, Natives, etc. etc. not a whole lot of Irish are so anti-Forth of July.

So your reason Blacks should celebrate is that the Irish are not anti 4th?

Well, why not live by example, I'm not so sure what kind of example the stereotypical Black sets, however. (Ahem)

I dont take my examples from white people. Your suggestion borders on insanity and makes no sense at all. Whites were not enslaved on the 4th. How did you not know that?

Well, do you have any proof that White peasants were in worse conditions than Black slaves?

On the contrary, the fact that the Black U.S.A slave population grew faster than every single White country in Europe purely speaks volumes.

Now, tell us if someone starving in Ireland in the Famine, or in Ukraine during the Holodomor, were somehow in better "Conditions" than Black slaves who were fed?

The White peasants simply were replaced, if they starved to death.

Black slaves being property, while perhaps harsh in some ways, especially in terms of freedom, did mean there was some kind of meal supported for them to excel to profit.

 

[irosie91]

What does picking cotton have to do with not celebrating the 4th?

I'm not asking about how to resolve todays problems. I'm asking for reasons Black people should celebrate the 4th.

Some Whites particularly Irish, and Scots-Irish were picking cotton right next to Blacks, as Indentured Servants, who chose slavery of a temporary manner, over squalor, poverty, and famine in Ireland.

and that has what to do with the 4th of July and Black people?

Well, unlike a lot of Blacks, Mexicans, Natives, etc. etc. not a whole lot of Irish are so anti-Forth of July.

so? sobie------actually the indentured slavery thing went away
before in the USA in favor of black slavery

no such thing as indentured slavery. its indentured servitude.

in the sciences of anthropology and sociology----it is considered a form of slavery

 

[Asclepias]

My neighbor came over and asked if I was going to do fireworks today. I told her no and that I do not celebrate the 4th. She asked me why and I told her I didnt want to spoil her fun. She insisted I tell her and I eventually relented. I told her that my ancestors were still enslaved on this day even though a man that looked like me was the first to die in defense of this country.

The 4th of July is a celebration of our country's freedom from British rule. Many black people celebrate by attending firework displays, bbqs etc, as well as having the day off from work. If someone chooses to not celebrate, that is okay too, this country gives you that freedom to chose.

No its not. Its a celebration of the declaration of independence.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

 

[irosie91]

Well, unlike a lot of Blacks, Mexicans, Natives, etc. etc. not a whole lot of Irish are so anti-Forth of July.

So your reason Blacks should celebrate is that the Irish are not anti 4th?

Well, why not live by example, I'm not so sure what kind of example the stereotypical Black sets, however. (Ahem)

I dont take my examples from white people. Your suggestion borders on insanity and makes no sense at all. Whites were not enslaved on the 4th. How did you not know that?

some where ----in various parts of the world

Not the part of the world the 4th is applicable to.

well----actually---native americans did keep what experts call "slaves"

 

[Asclepias]

Some Whites particularly Irish, and Scots-Irish were picking cotton right next to Blacks, as Indentured Servants, who chose slavery of a temporary manner, over squalor, poverty, and famine in Ireland.

and that has what to do with the 4th of July and Black people?

Well, unlike a lot of Blacks, Mexicans, Natives, etc. etc. not a whole lot of Irish are so anti-Forth of July.

so? sobie------actually the indentured slavery thing went away
before in the USA in favor of black slavery

no such thing as indentured slavery. its indentured servitude.

in the sciences of anthropology and sociology----it is considered a form of slavery

Not possible since they signed up for it. Slavery is a totally different animal.

 

[JGalt]

Some Whites particularly Irish, and Scots-Irish were picking cotton right next to Blacks, as Indentured Servants, who chose slavery of a temporary manner, over squalor, poverty, and famine in Ireland.

and that has what to do with the 4th of July and Black people?

Well, unlike a lot of Blacks, Mexicans, Natives, etc. etc. not a whole lot of Irish are so anti-Forth of July.

So your reason Blacks should celebrate is that the Irish are not anti 4th?

and that has what to do with the 4th of July and Black people?

Well, unlike a lot of Blacks, Mexicans, Natives, etc. etc. not a whole lot of Irish are so anti-Forth of July.

So your reason Blacks should celebrate is that the Irish are not anti 4th?

for you own pleasure------for the hot dogs and toasted marchmallows

Not to mention, the celebratory gunfire in the inner cities like Chicago.

YIPEEEEEEE bang bang

Today in Chicago:

Chicago cops fatally shoot armed man during chase on West Side, police say

Police shoot and kill man in South Elgin after 3 officers injured during standoff

Pastor laments son's senseless killing: 'These people are tearing families apart'

8 people shot in Chicago from Tuesday through early Wednesday as police step up patrols for holiday

Prosecutors say fight over gun led to murder at suburban recording studio


And is hasn't even gotten dark yet.

 

[gulfman]

It makes no difference .Had the British won the blacks would still have been picking cotton.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

What does picking cotton have to do with not celebrating the 4th?

I'm not asking about how to resolve todays problems. I'm asking for reasons Black people should celebrate the 4th.

Some Whites particularly Irish, and Scots-Irish were picking cotton right next to Blacks, as Indentured Servants, who chose slavery of a temporary manner, over squalor, poverty, and famine in Ireland.

and that has what to do with the 4th of July and Black people?

Well, unlike a lot of Blacks, Mexicans, Natives, etc. etc. not a whole lot of Irish are so anti-Forth of July.

so? sobie------actually the indentured slavery thing went away
before in the USA in favor of black slavery

no such thing as indentured slavery. its indentured servitude.

Indentured Servants were basically temporary slaves by choice, if people were slaves by choice, it really says some people probably had it worse than that back then.

 

[MizMolly]

My neighbor came over and asked if I was going to do fireworks today. I told her no and that I do not celebrate the 4th. She asked me why and I told her I didnt want to spoil her fun. She insisted I tell her and I eventually relented. I told her that my ancestors were still enslaved on this day even though a man that looked like me was the first to die in defense of this country.

It must really suck to have to drag around that burdensome modifier "black" wherever you go from day to day. I know it probably doesn't get old to you because that's what you identify with, but it sorta gets old to everyone else who has to hear it over and over again.

You might have missed it, but there was once this guy named "Martin Luther King." He once visualized a country where a person would just be a "person.", regardless of their color. You might take some time out and go to your local library and read up on him. He had some interesting ideas.

#WalkAway

Actually its pretty empowering being Black.

MLK also said he thought he made a mistake trying to integrate with whites. I'm guessing that was kept from you.

I don't see how it's "empowering", being black. After all, you Democrats lost the most important election of your lifetimes.

Now it might be "empowering" to be a Republican or a conservative right now, because we own this shit. But please, don't equate "republican" or "conservative" with "white", because there are plenty of black Republicans and conservatives. We are after all, the ones who held a Civil War to stop slavery, enacted constitutional qualities, and voted for Civil Rights in the 60's.

Your buddies in the Democrat Party fought tooth and nail to prevent those from happening, ya know.

I never asked you to see how it was empowering to be Black. I was just informing you that it was empowering. Now that you have finished deflecting please answer my question.

Mainly people celebrate to have a party, drink, watch fireworks, day off from work. I am not sure if it is totally patriotic lol

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

It makes no difference .Had the British won the blacks would still have been picking cotton.

Indeed, in fact, the British Empire had taken more Black slaves from Africa than the U.S.A had.

Early America didn't have the kind of power, and money that Britain had.

IMO, This just means that Britain would have had even a lot more slaves than that.

Now-a-days however the U.S.A has a lot of power, and money over Britain.

 

[irosie91]

Some Whites particularly Irish, and Scots-Irish were picking cotton right next to Blacks, as Indentured Servants, who chose slavery of a temporary manner, over squalor, poverty, and famine in Ireland.

and that has what to do with the 4th of July and Black people?

Well, unlike a lot of Blacks, Mexicans, Natives, etc. etc. not a whole lot of Irish are so anti-Forth of July.

so? sobie------actually the indentured slavery thing went away
before in the USA in favor of black slavery

no such thing as indentured slavery. its indentured servitude.

Indentured Servants were basically temporary slaves by choice, if people were slaves by choice, it really says some people probably had it worse than that back then.

wrong---sometimes criminals were made indentured servants

 

[Asclepias]

So your reason Blacks should celebrate is that the Irish are not anti 4th?

Well, why not live by example, I'm not so sure what kind of example the stereotypical Black sets, however. (Ahem)

I dont take my examples from white people. Your suggestion borders on insanity and makes no sense at all. Whites were not enslaved on the 4th. How did you not know that?

some where ----in various parts of the world

Not the part of the world the 4th is applicable to.

well----actually---native americans did keep what experts call "slaves"

Native Americans didnt bring White slaves over from europe and establish a the US government.

 

[MizMolly]

Can anyone give an answer to my question? So far 3 pages in and no one has addressed my question.

You mean it's not a question worthy of discussion?

Sorry, Man.

Why are you on the thread if you didnt want to discuss it? Are you just flaming?

Here I thought you liked the Forth of July, because many serve "Flaming Weiner's"

I've never like the fourth. I have always thought it was hypocritical.

Like Christmas? How many really celebrate Christmas for its true meaning? It is about decorating to enjoy the look, buying present to appease the expectations and another reason for days off work and time to drink and/or pig out.

 

[irosie91]

My neighbor came over and asked if I was going to do fireworks today. I told her no and that I do not celebrate the 4th. She asked me why and I told her I didnt want to spoil her fun. She insisted I tell her and I eventually relented. I told her that my ancestors were still enslaved on this day even though a man that looked like me was the first to die in defense of this country.

It must really suck to have to drag around that burdensome modifier "black" wherever you go from day to day. I know it probably doesn't get old to you because that's what you identify with, but it sorta gets old to everyone else who has to hear it over and over again.

You might have missed it, but there was once this guy named "Martin Luther King." He once visualized a country where a person would just be a "person.", regardless of their color. You might take some time out and go to your local library and read up on him. He had some interesting ideas.

#WalkAway

Actually its pretty empowering being Black.

MLK also said he thought he made a mistake trying to integrate with whites. I'm guessing that was kept from you.

I don't see how it's "empowering", being black. After all, you Democrats lost the most important election of your lifetimes.

Now it might be "empowering" to be a Republican or a conservative right now, because we own this shit. But please, don't equate "republican" or "conservative" with "white", because there are plenty of black Republicans and conservatives. We are after all, the ones who held a Civil War to stop slavery, enacted constitutional qualities, and voted for Civil Rights in the 60's.

Your buddies in the Democrat Party fought tooth and nail to prevent those from happening, ya know.

I never asked you to see how it was empowering to be Black. I was just informing you that it was empowering. Now that you have finished deflecting please answer my question.

Mainly people celebrate to have a party, drink, watch fireworks, day off from work. I am not sure if it is totally patriotic lol

totally------every cold beer after cold beer

 

[irosie91]

Well, why not live by example, I'm not so sure what kind of example the stereotypical Black sets, however. (Ahem)

I dont take my examples from white people. Your suggestion borders on insanity and makes no sense at all. Whites were not enslaved on the 4th. How did you not know that?

some where ----in various parts of the world

Not the part of the world the 4th is applicable to.

well----actually---native americans did keep what experts call "slaves"

Native Americans didnt bring White slaves over from europe and establish a the US government.

native americans had forms of slavery of their own

 

[Asclepias]

and that has what to do with the 4th of July and Black people?

Well, unlike a lot of Blacks, Mexicans, Natives, etc. etc. not a whole lot of Irish are so anti-Forth of July.

so? sobie------actually the indentured slavery thing went away
before in the USA in favor of black slavery

no such thing as indentured slavery. its indentured servitude.

Indentured Servants were basically temporary slaves by choice, if people were slaves by choice, it really says some people probably had it worse than that back then.

wrong---sometimes criminals were made indentured servants

They were criminals by choice. and no they were not basically slaves. They were considered humans while chattel slavery considered Blacks as chattel.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

and that has what to do with the 4th of July and Black people?

Well, unlike a lot of Blacks, Mexicans, Natives, etc. etc. not a whole lot of Irish are so anti-Forth of July.

so? sobie------actually the indentured slavery thing went away
before in the USA in favor of black slavery

no such thing as indentured slavery. its indentured servitude.

Indentured Servants were basically temporary slaves by choice, if people were slaves by choice, it really says some people probably had it worse than that back then.

wrong---sometimes criminals were made indentured servants

Indentured Servants signed contracts of labor to basically turn themselves into slaves.

 

[Asclepias]

I dont take my examples from white people. Your suggestion borders on insanity and makes no sense at all. Whites were not enslaved on the 4th. How did you not know that?

some where ----in various parts of the world

Not the part of the world the 4th is applicable to.

well----actually---native americans did keep what experts call "slaves"

Native Americans didnt bring White slaves over from europe and establish a the US government.

native americans had forms of slavery of their own

Which had nothing to do with the US and the 4th.