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LOL, here comes the ATTACKS against Walker.
Walker gins up crisis to reward cronies
now who didn't SEE THIS COMING.
Next up, actual violence. When that happens that Mubarak comparison will be realized - astroturfed activists are the same as the Muslim Brotherhood. Except Walker isn't a dictator, but these union drones might just be on the level of your average Eqyptian thug.
I hope they find union jobs in the Middle East.
No but there is no reason they cant contribute to there own retirement .
Which they are willing to do. The Governor never offered to negotiate. He offered them HIS terms only.
LOL, here comes the ATTACKS against Walker.
Walker gins up crisis to reward cronies
now who didn't SEE THIS COMING.
Next up, actual violence. When that happens that Mubarak comparison will be realized - astroturfed activists are the same as the Muslim Brotherhood. Except Walker isn't a dictator, but these union drones might just be on the level of your average Eqyptian thug.
I hope they find union jobs in the Middle East.
Yes, Wisconsin looks a lot like Egypt this week. But while Arabs are fighting to end extraordinary overreach by government, Wisconsin union protesters are fighting to preserve it.
Madison protest: Unions are angry
average salary of teacher; --$46,390
average salary of governor;----$115,000 in 2001.
who is over paid for the work they do?
Who has more responsibility?
LOL, here comes the ATTACKS against Walker.
now who didn't SEE THIS COMING.
Next up, actual violence. When that happens that Mubarak comparison will be realized - astroturfed activists are the same as the Muslim Brotherhood. Except Walker isn't a dictator, but these union drones might just be on the level of your average Eqyptian thug.
I hope they find union jobs in the Middle East.
As someone pointed out on Fox New, The Number One Source for News in America, this isn't like Egypt, it's more like Greece. True True True.. The sugar tit is drying up.
Are Public Employees Overpaid?
Governor Walker has said that the labor changes are necessary because Wisconsin’s local and state employees haven’t made the same sacrifices during the Great Recession as private sector workers.
Walker glossed over the fact that state employees had eight unpaid furlough days in 2009 and 2010, which saved the state $121 million, and their wages have been flat for years.
He also forgot to mention that when he was Milwaukee County executive, members of the largest county employee union took 26 unpaid furlough days in 2010, or one unpaid day off for every two-week pay period—a 10% pay cut. They’ll have 26 unpaid days off this year, too, as a result of Walker’s final county budget. (The employees at the Shepherd Express, a private sector company, did not have any wage decreases or forced furlough days.)
"Teachers are givers in a world dominated by takers, and they're also sharers. This collaborative instinct makes our profession unlike any other."
Barbara Keshishian
Wisconsin Teacher Salaries in Context
By Dan Collins on February 19th, 2011
On average, including benefits, Wisconsin teachers earn about $78k per year. Im going to leave aside the for nine months work part of this, because I think its been hammered enough. The average household income in Wisconsin is about $52k per year. So, teachers earn about 1.5 times the average household income in Wisconsin when you factor in the benefits, and many of those households are two-income households.
Leaving the issue of benefits out of the equation, teacher salaries in and of themselves average about what the average Wisconsin family earns, even though many of those have more than one wage earner. A two-teacher family employed in Wisconsin public schools (and its not uncommon), is pulling in double what the average Wisconsin family does, and about treble if you include the benefits disparity.
When Wisconsinites see that, and consider whether schools are successfully teaching their children what they need to make the most of their lives and careers, theyre not really very happy with the sick out stuff, and theyre even less happy about it when they consider what tenure means and how difficult it is to get rid of incompetents and loons within the system. Democratic State Senators playing hooky as well, causing disruptions for families who perhaps already committed to travel plans for the now-delayed summer vacation in order to buy time for OfA, the DNC, AFL-CIO, SEIU and various socialist orgs to bus in their people really doesnt play well, either, particularly in a time of inflation.
WEAC, the Wisconsin Educational Association Council, published the non-personal contact information of all the State Senators but one (pdf). That in itself, as well as the home addresses of the Senators, isnt that big a deal, as its probably all public information. But take a look at the page. Right above the pdf link theres this graphic:
Wisconsin Teacher Salaries in Context | POWIP
Are Public Employees Overpaid?
Governor Walker has said that the labor changes are necessary because Wisconsins local and state employees havent made the same sacrifices during the Great Recession as private sector workers.
Walker glossed over the fact that state employees had eight unpaid furlough days in 2009 and 2010, which saved the state $121 million, and their wages have been flat for years.
He also forgot to mention that when he was Milwaukee County executive, members of the largest county employee union took 26 unpaid furlough days in 2010, or one unpaid day off for every two-week pay perioda 10% pay cut. Theyll have 26 unpaid days off this year, too, as a result of Walkers final county budget. (The employees at the Shepherd Express, a private sector company, did not have any wage decreases or forced furlough days.)
So is Walker correct when he says that public employees are making more than their counterparts in the private sector?
The short answer is no, according to a new study by the national nonpartisan Economic Policy Institute (EPI), which found that Wisconsins state and local employees earn 4.8% less per hour in total compensation than their peers in the private sector. That number jumps to 25% for college-educated employees. EPI found that, on average, Wisconsins public employees with a bachelors degree earn $61,668 in total compensation; their peers working for private employers earn $82,134 in wages and benefits.
And although Gov. Scott Walker is earning $144,423 as a public sector employee with some college education, his pay package is not typical. Public sector employees who attended college but did not earn a diploma earn an average $46,707 in wages and benefits, while those in the private sector earn 7% more, or $50,324, EPI found.
Extra Cost of Cutting Wages: Killing Jobs
Although Walker took office promising to focus on job creation like a laser beam, he has not explained how many jobs this budget bill would create.
In fact, a new study by the Institute for Wisconsins Future (IWF) found that cutting public sector employees pay to the degree demanded by Walker would be a disaster for the states economy. In fact, about $1 billion of public employee wages would be lost each year:
* State workers would lose $429 million of disposable income
* Local employees would lose $335 million of disposable income
* School district employees would lose $230 million of disposable income
Public sector workers are moderate-income people who spend the vast majority of their income on consumer goodsunlike rich households who save the bulk of their wealth, wrote Jack Norman, the studys author.
Since that $1 billion would not be spentand recirculatedin businesses throughout Wisconsin, the study projected that 9,900 private sector jobs would be lost.
State leaders cannot make up for the loss in consumer purchasing power by an equivalent amount of tax cuts, Norman wrote. That would worsen the deficit and cancel out any savings created by cuts to public sector compensation.
And what about the ripple effect on local governments? IWFs Norman calculated that $46 million of property tax revenue would be lost because of the wage cutbacks and depressed economic activity. Dane County would be hit the hardest and lose $14 million in property taxes; Milwaukee County would lose $6 million in property taxes.
Walker’s Renewed War on Workers
"Teachers are givers in a world dominated by takers, and they're also sharers. This collaborative instinct makes our profession unlike any other."
Barbara Keshishian
The Issue is not about how much they are paid.
The fight right now is over Pensions and Health Care.
As it stands right now. For every 1 Dollar the workers pay into their Pension the State of WIS pays in 57 Dollars. That is a fairytale Sweet heart deal. Nobody in the private sector sees anything like that in their pensions. The Governor wants to lower the Matching rate to something more in line with the Private Sector.
They are also being asked to start paying a modest % of their Health insurance costs. A % which would still be lower than the Average Private Sector worker pays. By a Lot.
The only reason Collective Bargaining came up at all, is because with Collective Bargaing it is impossible to get the Union to make any concessions. Period.
That is what is at the core of this Fight. Public Sector Union Employees wanting the WIS tax payer, and by extension all US taxpayers, to continue to fund 100% of their Health care, and match each dollar they put away in their Pensions with 57 Government dollars.
In a word this is about greed. Not the Greed of some cooperation or Greedy white Banker. This is about the Greed of the Unions, and their employees.
Straight up.
Not that I expect any Card carrying Liberal Democrat to ever admit to it.
However any rational, reasonable human being who actually looks at what the Government is asking for out of the Union, and compares it to the Private Sector, would have to conclude the Union and it's Members are being irrationally Greedy, and blatantly willfully ignorant of the State and Nations Fiscal Situation.
They simply do not see it. They helped Kill the Golden Goose. It's Gone, It is bleeding 1.6 Trillion dollars a year, and their Fairytale Benefits are a thing of the past.
So you're blaming only the unions for greed and for killing the Golden Goose?
Are Public Employees Overpaid?
Governor Walker has said that the labor changes are necessary because Wisconsins local and state employees havent made the same sacrifices during the Great Recession as private sector workers.
Walker glossed over the fact that state employees had eight unpaid furlough days in 2009 and 2010, which saved the state $121 million, and their wages have been flat for years.
He also forgot to mention that when he was Milwaukee County executive, members of the largest county employee union took 26 unpaid furlough days in 2010, or one unpaid day off for every two-week pay perioda 10% pay cut. Theyll have 26 unpaid days off this year, too, as a result of Walkers final county budget. (The employees at the Shepherd Express, a private sector company, did not have any wage decreases or forced furlough days.)
"Teachers are givers in a world dominated by takers, and they're also sharers. This collaborative instinct makes our profession unlike any other."
Barbara Keshishian
Teachers aren't overpaid, and no one ever gets rich doing public service.
The public work force also, on average, has higher education levels and higher proportions of college degrees than the private work force. So if you compare comparable pay to comparable training and education, public workers make less than equivalent private sector workers.
Everyone on the middle class is taking a hit. Private and public workers. The middle class didn't cause this economic meltdown. The heroes of the rightwing did - the fat cat speculators, the banksters, and the fortune 500 corporate goons.
The freaking people who caused this recession aren't being asked to do a damn thing. I don't understand why the rightwing wants to blame teachers and cops for the hard times, when the asswipes who are largely responsible for causing the recession aren't being asked to do a damn thing. Governor Walker engineered a phony fiscal crises, the state was projected to have a surplus by the end of the year, before Walker pushed through his tax break scheme for billionaires and corporations. But even if there is a phony fiscal crises, state workers are already williing to take pay cuts and furloughs. How does ending collective bargaining address a fiscal shortfall? And would it be such a horrible thing if the people who actually caused this recession - the bankers and corporations - went back to paying tax rates we had in the prosperous Clinton years?
They are overpaid compared to the people who pay their salaries. The average teacher salary is over $50K, which is the level of the median household income (which includes more than one wage earner). Per capita income in WI is $21K. Teachers earn far above that at the expense of those who earn far less than they do.Wisconsin QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau
So you're blaming only the unions for greed and for killing the Golden Goose?
Yep. That's exactly what has happened to state and local governments. The Federal Problem is a bit more complex, but as the Porkulus program was used largely to prop up spending on state and local public union employees, the increase, deficit, and debt of the Feds was also greatly impacted by union greed.
They are overpaid compared to the people who pay their salaries. The average teacher salary is over $50K, which is the level of the median household income (which includes more than one wage earner). Per capita income in WI is $21K. Teachers earn far above that at the expense of those who earn far less than they do.
They are overpaid compared to the people who pay their salaries. The average teacher salary is over $50K, which is the level of the median household income (which includes more than one wage earner). Per capita income in WI is $21K. Teachers earn far above that at the expense of those who earn far less than they do.Wisconsin QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau
Who said private sector workers earn less? The earn the same as teachers.
Leaving the issue of benefits out of the equation, teacher salaries in and of themselves average about what the average Wisconsin family earns,
If you want to include benefit packages, then find out what the average benefit package is for the private sector worker? Otherwise you are wrong.
They are overpaid compared to the people who pay their salaries. The average teacher salary is over $50K, which is the level of the median household income (which includes more than one wage earner). Per capita income in WI is $21K. Teachers earn far above that at the expense of those who earn far less than they do.Wisconsin QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau
Who said private sector workers earn less? The earn the same as teachers.
Leaving the issue of benefits out of the equation, teacher salaries in and of themselves average about what the average Wisconsin family earns,
If you want to include benefit packages, then find out what the average benefit package is for the private sector worker? Otherwise you are wrong.
The salary of one teacher is what a multi-income average household earns. On a per capital basis, teachers are paid far more than the average worker in WI.
Add in the excessive benefits, and it's even more of a discrepancy.
Who said private sector workers earn less? The earn the same as teachers.
Leaving the issue of benefits out of the equation, teacher salaries in and of themselves average about what the average Wisconsin family earns,
If you want to include benefit packages, then find out what the average benefit package is for the private sector worker? Otherwise you are wrong.
The salary of one teacher is what a multi-income average household earns. On a per capital basis, teachers are paid far more than the average worker in WI.
Add in the excessive benefits, and it's even more of a discrepancy.
They average the same B. Now if you want to include the benefits start with private sector CEOs, ...........
"The median expected salary for a typical Chief Executive Officer in the United States is $701,331. "
The biggest shame here is you are also comparing an college educated teacher to a drop out denigrate with a job & expecting the same results. Go hire yourself a bunch of illegal aliens, perverts to teach your children if that makes you happy, hypocrite who got her education and never raised a question about teachers salaries, but now wants to.
The biggest shame here is you are also comparing an college educated teacher to a drop out denigrate with a job & expecting the same results.
Oh. That's lovely. You are now claiming that the comp of WI teachers is paid for by drop out degenerates.
The salary of one teacher is what a multi-income average household earns. On a per capital basis, teachers are paid far more than the average worker in WI.
Add in the excessive benefits, and it's even more of a discrepancy.
They average the same B. Now if you want to include the benefits start with private sector CEOs, ...........
"The median expected salary for a typical Chief Executive Officer in the United States is $701,331. "
The biggest shame here is you are also comparing an college educated teacher to a drop out denigrate with a job & expecting the same results. Go hire yourself a bunch of illegal aliens, perverts to teach your children if that makes you happy, hypocrite who got her education and never raised a question about teachers salaries, but now wants to.
Oh. That's lovely. You are now claiming that the comp of WI teachers is paid for by drop out degenerates.
Nice.
And teacher pay is not the same as those who foot the bills. The average teacher comp (in total) is over $90K. That is far more than the household income of $52K (which includes multiple wage earners).
