Discussion in 'Politics' started by Billy000, Dec 6, 2011.
I certainly think so.
Micheal Moore and Glenn Beck are complete tools.
Yes, but be careful of the way the parties and the MSM frame the concept of "moderate." On social issues, they pretty much have it right, but on economic issues, most Democrats are to the right of the nation's political center.
Only in a very general way, every mainstream, moderate view was once a radical concept. Many have found themselves on the wrong side of history clinging to the conventional and the familiar.
The Dems are liberal on social issues, fairly conservative on economic. The Pubs are normally conservative on both. The Libertarians are lost, as usual.
Oh my! Thanks for the laugh! Yes, those frugal Dems, always pushing to live within our means. Why just look at Democrat controlled cities in America...they're flush with cash. And when the Dems control Congress, federal spending just falls off to a trickle.
There is a difference between moderates and those on the wings who can moderate their views. A staunch conservative or very progressive liberal who is able to see the other side and moderate his/her own views in order to accomplish something positive for all is completely different from those on the far right and left who won't budge from their views to the detriment of us all. They are the ones who have made our political environment so divisive and angry and who have made it impossible for our government to operate efficiently.
We are talking about economic theory, pancho. The Dems are not as foolish as Pubs would believe, who, in the far right, are absolutely stupid.
The Dems offered $4T in cuts in return for minimal revenue increases, and the Ryanistas shot it down and nearly tumbled the markets.
Spending during the Reagan and Bush years went sky high, similar to the Dems.
Get off your hobby horse, kiddo.
Now, now, don't back away from your statement. The Democrats are economic conservatives. You said it, you live with it.
To your "example", the Democrats offering the promise of future cuts in exchange for tax increases now...where have we heard that before?! Tell you what, would your Dems support cuts NOW in exchange for the promise of future tax hikes? I wonder...
I am clearly talking about what economic theory and the Dems positions are. Aren't you? If the Pubs would offer massive cuts in an eight to one return for revenue increase, the Dems would take it. Any person who is concerned for the country would take it.
Don't deflect; stay on track now.
Again, are you talking about the "promise" of cuts at some point in the future? That NEVER happens but the tax rate increases, they're immediate. So, no, anyone who is concerned for the country would demand cuts NOW...something us evil Libertarians have been calling for forever. Also, the Republicans have already offered REVENUE increases, which a big difference from tax rate increases, which often result in less revenue. You don't want more revenue to the treasury, you want fewer evil rich people. Tell the truth.
But whatever, let's just bask in the glow of those Democratic fiscal conservatives...
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