Are Liberals in here going to still claim Obama isn't a left winger?

[Luddly Neddite]

You have to define left winger. Obama's ACA is a mandate to buy health insurance from corporations. Look at his appointments, especially trade representative. Free trader. Obama's pushed free trade since day one. Also the Trans Pacific Partnership, which he will push through. He's pushed the Bush education policy and cheered the firing of school teachers, and his pal Arnie Duncan never saw a charter school he didn't like. Obama talks like a leftie on the campaign trail and that's where it ends. He doesn't look like a leftie liberal to me, at least not like a Kucinich or Bernie Sanders.

Maybe immigration reform, homosexual marriage and gun control he's on the left, but on economic issues, which is what really matters to me, he's probably more of a republican than reagan, his hero.

And, he's a hawk.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

If all you do is listen to his rhetoric, you could possibly call Obama a left-winger.

If you look at his actions, not so much.

 

[Zander]

Obama is an Authoritarian Leftist.

 

[markov]

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[Charles_Main]

I don't recall anyone ever denying it.

Then you must have had your head up your ass for the last 4 years. Lefties on this Board have been claiming he is not a Liberal, and not a left winger since day one. Going so far as to call him a Centrist.

lol

Then you must have an abundance of evidence to that effect.

The only disputes I have seen were over just how far left he is. From slightly to the left of center, all the way to Marxist.

No one has ever said he is on the right.

Oh, wait! You're right! Some people have called him a Nazi. I forgot!

You win.

When did I say anyone said he was on the right? Many people in here have maintained for 4 years now, that he was basically a pragmatist and Centrist. That was and is utter horse shit.

 

[Charles_Main]

are Liberals in here going to still claim Obama isn't a left winger?


it is the Tea Party Republicans who are obsessed with defining Obama as a "left winger" ... and now they have his second term as thanks from Obama for their effort.

Obama himself clearly defined himself as a Leftist in that speech. The man not only does not think we have a spending problem, or a problem with entitlements. He actually wants to spend more, and expand entitlements.

 

[Claudette]

Today's speech leaves no room for Doubt. Obama is, and always has been, a left wing Ideologue.

Unless some are still going by older talking points, there is no point in denying it. The AP headlines today announced that Obama is bold about discussing his liberal agenda.

The mask is off and he thinks America is ready for socialism. Fake polls and an obedient media back him up, so there is nothing stopping him now.

Of course he's a lefty and always had been.

Perhaps no one was paying attention when he advised Joe the Plumber that he wanted to spread his wealth.

He's got his second term and doesn't need anyone to vote for him again. He will try to follow his ideals.

Of course he will have to deal with Congress. House Reps and Senate Dems. Don't think he will get far.

 

[Seawytch]

Then you must have had your head up your ass for the last 4 years. Lefties on this Board have been claiming he is not a Liberal, and not a left winger since day one. Going so far as to call him a Centrist.

lol

Then you must have an abundance of evidence to that effect.

The only disputes I have seen were over just how far left he is. From slightly to the left of center, all the way to Marxist.

No one has ever said he is on the right.

Oh, wait! You're right! Some people have called him a Nazi. I forgot!

You win.

When did I say anyone said he was on the right? Many people in here have maintained for 4 years now, that he was basically a pragmatist and Centrist. That was and is utter horse shit.

Utter horse shit? Not by a long shot. What "far left" actions has he taken? Even his speech could hardly be defined as "far left". Oh, wait...he mentioned climate change and in RW world, that IS considered "far left".

 

[JakeStarkey]

Helping to bail out banks, bail out the auto industry, making insurance companies even richer ~ these are not the actions of a left winger.

 

[Claudette]

Helping to bail out banks, bail out the auto industry, making insurance companies even richer ~ these are not the actions of a left winger.

Left or right.

All politicians know how to garner those campaign contributions.

Never let a good crisis go to waste.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Then you must have an abundance of evidence to that effect.

The only disputes I have seen were over just how far left he is. From slightly to the left of center, all the way to Marxist.

No one has ever said he is on the right.

Oh, wait! You're right! Some people have called him a Nazi. I forgot!

You win.

When did I say anyone said he was on the right? Many people in here have maintained for 4 years now, that he was basically a pragmatist and Centrist. That was and is utter horse shit.

Utter horse shit? Not by a long shot. What "far left" actions has he taken? Even his speech could hardly be defined as "far left". Oh, wait...he mentioned climate change and in RW world, that IS considered "far left".

He also said he believes in equality.

That is absolutely the opposite of the GObP/pub's stated platform so, by definition, that makes him a liberal.

At least, I sure as hell hope so. I voted for a liberal and got a centrist. Let's hope he kicks some R ass in the next four years. That is, if he can find them. They're usually on the golf course or in the corner bar so it might not be as easy as it looks.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Helping to bail out banks, bail out the auto industry, making insurance companies even richer ~ these are not the actions of a left winger.

In his case, they were the actions of a man who loves his country enough to save it.

Thank you Mr. President.

 

[g5000]

On the domestic side of things, Obama is a raging liberal way, way down on the left end of the spectrum, and always will be.

On the foreign policy side of things, no GOP President would have done a single thing differently. Even the GOP knows that.

 

[CrazedScotsman]

Obama is as far left as Marx, Lenin and Stalin. The man is a Communist and his own words prove it. The problem is that most American citizens either don't care or have no clue whatsoever. All they know is that Obama is black and he's going to give them stuff.

 

[Underhill]

Today's speech leaves no room for Doubt. Obama is, and always has been, a left wing Ideologue.

I would say, and have said since before he was elected, that he is a pragmatist.

He is a liberal. But he will govern pragmatically. Accomplishing what he can and not over reaching.

He has governed as a moderate. Which is reasonable given the congress he has had to deal with. But it has been disappointing to liberals who hoped for more.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Obama is as far left as Marx, Lenin and Stalin. The man is a Communist and his own words prove it. The problem is that most American citizens either don't care or have no clue whatsoever. All they know is that Obama is black and he's going to give them stuff.

You are a crazed fascist, son, and a major, major liar plus a low informed voter to boot. You cannot even define what those big words mean.

 

[CrazedScotsman]

Obama is as far left as Marx, Lenin and Stalin. The man is a Communist and his own words prove it. The problem is that most American citizens either don't care or have no clue whatsoever. All they know is that Obama is black and he's going to give them stuff.

You are a crazed fascist, son, and a major, major liar plus a low informed voter to boot. You cannot even define what those big words mean.

See what I mean? What a joke.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, son, you are a joke of the worst sort: a fascist pretending to be an American.

Now, come on, son, tell us what those big words mean.