Are Democrats too confident in 2008 election race?

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071024/pl_nm/usa_politics_democrats_dc

LOWELL, Massachusetts (Reuters) - Mary Burns has the kind of Democratic pedigree that dominates Massachusetts politics. Her family and friends vote Democratic, and she lives in a district that has not elected a Republican in 35 years.

But on October 17, she joined other disgruntled Democrats, voting for a Republican in a special congressional election.

Her candidate, Jim Ogonowski, who campaigned as an anti-immigration crusader, lost to Democrat Niki Tsongas by only 45 percent to 51 percent, a much closer margin than expected in a district Democrats saw as safely theirs.

Now political strategists across the country are trying to figure out what Ogonowski's strong showing means for the nation as a whole and how worried Democrats should be about next year's elections for president and Congress.

Despite President George W. Bush's low poll standing, the unpopularity of the Iraq war and the formidable money advantage Democrats have established over their Republican rivals, last week's vote warned Democrats not to get overconfident.

"There's a lot they still have to be nervous about," said Julian Zelizer, a history and public affairs professor at Princeton University.

"The shakiness of this particular victory in Massachusetts is the kind of thing that sends a message to the national leadership as they start to think about the next cycle."

Democrats should remember that the Iraq war will not be the only issue in 2008 and that the party's stance on immigration in particular -- most favor allowing illegal immigrants a path to legal status -- could be an Achilles heel, he added.

Ogonowski, a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel and brother of an American Airlines pilot killed in the September 11 attacks, was never expected to threaten Tsongas, widow of Sen. Paul Tsongas, in a district her late husband once represented.

Former President Bill Clinton and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi campaigned with Tsongas. For some voters, their presence reinforced her image as a Washington insider. Ogonowski downplayed his Republican ties and instead vowed to fix a "broken Congress" and fight illegal immigration.

While Tsongas tried to make the election a referendum on Bush and the war, Ogonowski issued fliers that overlapped images of Tsongas and Bush with the words "Niki Tsongas/George Bush Immigration Plan: Amnesty to 12 million illegal immigrants."

'ONE OF US'

"He was like one of us," Burns said of Ogonowski.

"He wasn't from a political background or a political family. He was just looking for changes in Washington like we all are. I have a lot of Democratic friends who voted for him because he understood their concerns," the 46-year-old advertising executive added.

Some Republicans also drew confidence from Saturday's election of Republican U.S. Rep. Bobby Jindal as governor of Louisiana. The incumbent Democratic governor, Kathleen Babineaux Blanco, still blamed for post-Hurricane Katrina incompetence, decided not to seek re-election.

"Jindal walked away with that race," said Democratic pollster Dave Beattie, who is not affiliated with a campaign.

"There's a real anti-incumbent, anti-Washington mood out there," he said. "Democrats cannot take for granted that just because voters are upset with the Republican administration it doesn't mean they think Democrats are much better right now."

Republican pollster Tony Fabrizio said overconfidence was a risk for both parties. He recalled that many Republicans never imagined they could lose control of both houses of Congress last year.

"While there is no question that the current political environment nationally looks to benefit Democrats, it is over a year before anybody will actually go and vote. A year is an eternity in politics," he said.

"Think back a year ago. A year ago there were still a number of Republicans who were convinced that we weren't going to lose the House or the Senate. So many things can change over the course of year," said Fabrizio, who is not affiliated with a campaign in 2008.
 
I believe if the Dems keep lying to the public in their claims that Hillary is the lovable candidate that most of the party wants to take the WH, then they will lose the 2008 election. Hillary is the kind of politician that will put republicans in the booths just to make sure she isn't elected. Also, many dems that I've spoken with wouldn't vote for Hillary, b/c she's damn near crazy in the head.
 
I'll grant you the Tsongas race was a bit off, but, as your own article concedes, anti-incumbency seemed to be what voters are/were agitating for. And if anti-incumbancy is the key, if that really is the case, then I think Republicans have more to worry about then the Democrats.
 
Neither Democrats nor Republicans get that Americans are pissed off about immigration.

So whoever seizes on that, can win.

I don't know if it will make Hillary lose, but whoever her opponent is better get a clue.
 
Neither Democrats nor Republicans get that Americans are pissed off about immigration.

So whoever seizes on that, can win.

I don't know if it will make Hillary lose, but whoever her opponent is better get a clue.

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The Dems are too busy fighting each other,..Hillarious could very easy become the next president if Americans continue to not follow politics. Thats my story.
 
That article was about a local race, with some very local circumstances. The Republican candidate had a close connection with the community. You can't strategize that, it's a unique kind of local politics that takes time and effort to cultivate. To suggest this tells us anything about gains Democrats will make is a little ridiculous. The problem for the Republicans, and one they will not be able to overcome, is that they no longer have the push button issues that drove people to make automatic votes for them. Abortion, gay marriage and general moral majority claims just aren't what voters care about right now. They MAY be able to work an anti-immigration angle, but even the poll numbers on that are complex. People don't like amnesty, but they don't like our foreign policy and housing market a HELL of a lot more. Lou Dobbs can beat the drumn all he wants, he's not gonna get anti-immigrant Repubs elected.
 
Are the Democrats too confident....Probably...

Why???

Because they DON'T KNOW THE TRUE MIDDLE AMERICA...

They all live in their own ivory tower and THINK that they have the true pulse of THE REAL AMERICA...

What they fail to see, is they don't have a CLUE....

We are seeing the Democrat party of of old. being taken over of the Democrats of totay......... and it is nothing like what they were...

But this is a GOOD THING.....Cause we get to see in true fashion just what these Democrats of today are...

The one thing they are NOT.....is being able to relate what is to be a true..................MIDDLE AMERICAN....

You all were given a chance and it didn't take ya all long to show your TRUE COLORS.......

Middle America does not want your socialist type of government...
So either you all need to hide it better, or just admit defeat...

Conservative America does still exist.....whether you all like it....:eusa_clap:
 
Are the Democrats too confident....Probably...

Why???

Because they DON'T KNOW THE TRUE MIDDLE AMERICA...

They all live in their own ivory tower and THINK that they have the true pulse of THE REAL AMERICA...

What they fail to see, is they don't have a CLUE....

We are seeing the Democrat party of of old. being taken over of the Democrats of totay......... and it is nothing like what they were...

But this is a GOOD THING.....Cause we get to see in true fashion just what these Democrats of today are...

The one thing they are NOT.....is being able to relate what is to be a true..................MIDDLE AMERICAN....

You all were given a chance and it didn't take ya all long to show your TRUE COLORS.......

Middle America does not want your socialist type of government...
So either you all need to hide it better, or just admit defeat...

Conservative America does still exist.....whether you all like it....:eusa_clap:

That is an interesting sentiment but I don’t think that it is reflected in the average poll.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...on/election_2008_clinton_vs_giuliani_thompson

Friday, October 12, 2007
Riding a crest in her political appeal, Senator Hillary Clinton now leads former New York Mayor Rudi Giuliani 48% to 41%. She also claims a stunning double-digit lead of 52% to 37% over former Senator Fred Thompson. Two weeks ago, Clinton led Giuliani by five and Thompson by eight.
 
Are the Democrats too confident....Probably...

Why???

Because they DON'T KNOW THE TRUE MIDDLE AMERICA...

They all live in their own ivory tower and THINK that they have the true pulse of THE REAL AMERICA...

What they fail to see, is they don't have a CLUE....

We are seeing the Democrat party of of old. being taken over of the Democrats of totay......... and it is nothing like what they were...

But this is a GOOD THING.....Cause we get to see in true fashion just what these Democrats of today are...

The one thing they are NOT.....is being able to relate what is to be a true..................MIDDLE AMERICAN....

You all were given a chance and it didn't take ya all long to show your TRUE COLORS.......

Middle America does not want your socialist type of government...
So either you all need to hide it better, or just admit defeat...

Conservative America does still exist.....whether you all like it....:eusa_clap:

:badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :rofl: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:
 
It should be interesting to see if the hatred of and/or readiness to be done with Bush will translate into people voting not so much for Democrats as against Republicans as people seem to think.

Many of the liberals I've talked to (remember, I'm a public school teacher - so thats about 90% of my colleagues ;) ) are ready to be done with Bush...but it doesn't seem to be translating into - "and I'm definitely not voting for another Republican!

In fact, many ardent liberals I have spoken with are also ardent anti-Hillary. If a moderate Republican gets the nomination many of them would have no trouble crossing party lines rather than face a Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton presidency.
 
It should be interesting to see if the hatred of and/or readiness to be done with Bush will translate into people voting not so much for Democrats as against Republicans as people seem to think.

We have a two party system so nearly every American votes for a party that only partially appeals to them and that is comparatively favorable to the other party, so you're not pointing out anything so significant here.

However, I think it can be argued that America is moving more to the left than it has since the nineteen sixties. The voice of religious conservatism has so much less power than it has between 1994 and 2004. Americans have had a taste of corporate leadership in the form of their medical coverage and educational policy and they are not liking it. No Child Left Behind is extremely unpopular as is the Republican healthcare "plan." The only ideological wedge the Republicans have in this election is the immigration issue and, so far, it doesn't look like its gonna have the power to sway things. It just has to be dealt with, Democrats are in for a big haul.
 
My point I was trying to make is that those who don't really follow politics are those who are only followers, and it is easier to complain about our current government instead of knowing something that is good about it. The left wing media doesn't help one bit either,..the Washington ComPost, and the Clinton News Network are horrible at providing all information. Why do people cheer when Hillary says she is going to tax the rich? She can't touch them to be honest because first,..she is one of them, and 2,..the rich will just "charge" us more because of the higher taxes. We are all dependent on the rich,..you don't have to like it,..but we all should know it.
 
We have a two party system so nearly every American votes for a party that only partially appeals to them and that is comparatively favorable to the other party, so you're not pointing out anything so significant here.

However, I think it can be argued that America is moving more to the left than it has since the nineteen sixties. The voice of religious conservatism has so much less power than it has between 1994 and 2004. Americans have had a taste of corporate leadership in the form of their medical coverage and educational policy and they are not liking it. No Child Left Behind is extremely unpopular as is the Republican healthcare "plan." The only ideological wedge the Republicans have in this election is the immigration issue and, so far, it doesn't look like its gonna have the power to sway things. It just has to be dealt with, Democrats are in for a big haul.

Now if everyone agrees with you, you have no fears. On the other hand, if most in US wish to Win in Iraq/Afghanistan, wish to halt Islamofacism, wish to stop those that want dhimmi, you have a long wait coming.
 
We have a two party system so nearly every American votes for a party that only partially appeals to them and that is comparatively favorable to the other party, so you're not pointing out anything so significant here.

However, I think it can be argued that America is moving more to the left than it has since the nineteen sixties. The voice of religious conservatism has so much less power than it has between 1994 and 2004. Americans have had a taste of corporate leadership in the form of their medical coverage and educational policy and they are not liking it. No Child Left Behind is extremely unpopular as is the Republican healthcare "plan." The only ideological wedge the Republicans have in this election is the immigration issue and, so far, it doesn't look like its gonna have the power to sway things. It just has to be dealt with, Democrats are in for a big haul.

Except for the fact nobody in their right mind would vote for what the DNC is offering. Clinton or Obama. I'd as soon vote for Mickey Mouse.
 
Except for the fact nobody in their right mind would vote for what the DNC is offering. Clinton or Obama. I'd as soon vote for Mickey Mouse.
Unfortunately I have to agree, most specifically regarding Clinton. At this point the only one in the Party I would vote for is Richardson, and he doesn't stand a ghost of a chance for the nomination.
 
There IS a solution. Start supporting third parties. Elect people who will vote for campaign finance reform, allowing us to have MANY political parties like western European nations do. Americans feel so morose about politics because we don't have any choice and our candidates are determinedby how much money they can raise. Not their ideology and not their connectoin with the American people. If all candidates worked on an economic level playing field they'd HAVE to win with ideas, and policy. NOT with media stunts and P.R. events and big flashing lights.

I can already here people say "well that would mean publically funded elections and therefore more taxes and I hate taxes." And so we remain stuck where we are, complaining about the state of politics and totally unwiling to do ANYTHING about it. Congratulations.
 

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