Are bible belt whites inherently stupider?

[Red Dawn]

The Rightwing Position (their logic as articulated on other threads): Standardized testing ACT scores consistently show lower test scores in bible belt and southern states. Even bible belt states with mostly WHITE populations (Kentucky, Oklahoma, West Virginia) score below national averages.

Rightwing Conclusion: Bible belt WHITES are inherently stupider than whites in most northern and coastal liberal states. Standardized testing PROVES it.

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My Position: Standardized tests do NOT measure inherent intelligence; they reflect the environment students grow up in, the educational system they have access to, the participation rates, and biases in test methods and procedures.

My conclusion: Bible belt whites are NOT inherently stupider. Its not genetic inbreeding, their southern heritage, or anything in the water down there that makes their test scores suck.



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ACT National and State Scores for 2008: Average ACT Scores by State

 

[Care4all]

No, they are just the product of their poor schools.

 

[tigerbob]

The Rightwing Position (their logic as articulated on other threads): Standardized testing ACT scores consistently show lower test scores in bible belt and southern states. Even bible belt states with mostly WHITE populations (Kentucky, Oklahoma, West Virginia) score below national averages.

Rightwing Conclusion: Bible belt WHITES are inherently stupider than whites in most northern and coastal liberal states. Standardized testing PROVES it.

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My Position: Standardized tests do NOT measure inherent intelligence; they reflect the environment students grow up in, the educational system they have access to, the participation rates, and biases in test methods and procedures.

My conclusion: Bible belt whites are NOT inherently stupider. Its not genetic inbreeding, their southern heritage, or anything in the water down there that makes their test scores suck.



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ACT National and State Scores for 2008: Average ACT Scores by State

I agree with you. Though this supposed right wing position surprises me. I'd always thought the right were more heavily into religion. Now it turns out that the right views the "bible belt" as stupid. Something's amiss.

 

[random3434]

No, they are just the product of their poor schools.

Or the product of their poor environments.

 

[Kalam]

No, I'm a bible belt white and I'm okay. There's a problem with the study - the ACT sucks. I took that and the SAT Reasoning test and scored significantly lower on the ACT.

 

[Red Dawn]

No, they are just the product of their poor schools.

I agree....southern bible belt whites are a product of their schools (which suck) and also other factors which I noted.

The are NOT inherently stupider due to southern genetic inbreeding or their southern heritage.

But the rightwing thinks standardized testing PROVES inherent inferiority in intelligence. I strongly disagree.

 

[Kalam]

Oh, nvm, I just noticed that you're parodying the right wing.

 

[xotoxi]

The Rightwing Position (their logic as articulated on other threads): Standardized testing ACT scores consistently show lower test scores in bible belt and southern states. Even bible belt states with mostly WHITE populations (Kentucky, Oklahoma, West Virginia) score below national averages.

Rightwing Conclusion: Bible belt WHITES are inherently stupider than whites in most northern and coastal liberal states. Standardized testing PROVES it.

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My Position: Standardized tests do NOT measure inherent intelligence; they reflect the environment students grow up in, the educational system they have access to, the participation rates, and biases in test methods and procedures.

My conclusion: Bible belt whites are NOT inherently stupider. Its not genetic inbreeding, their southern heritage, or anything in the water down there that makes their test scores suck.



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ACT National and State Scores for 2008: Average ACT Scores by State

Excellent example of how to come to an incorrect conclusion based on a correlation.

 

[strollingbones]

many are the product of home schooling where they simply study the bible

 

[xsited1]

The results weren't broken down by race. Since the Bible Belt States have the greatest overall percentage of blacks, one could say that blacks are the cause.

Black or African-American Population for the United States by Region, 2002 — Infoplease.com

 

[roomy]

Aren't they just more religious than most?

 

[Kalam]

After looking through some of the 2007 SAT score reports, which break down scores by race, I've noticed that Southern white males tend to have significantly higher scores than white males in New England, while Southern black males tend to have significantly lower scores than black males in New England.

2007 College-Bound Seniors

 

[Kalam]

The results weren't broken down by race. Since the Bible Belt States have the greatest overall percentage of blacks, one could say that blacks are the cause.

Black or African-American Population for the United States by Region, 2002 — Infoplease.com

Your suggestion that correlation implies causation is a logical fallacy. That's exactly the point that the OP was making.

 

[jillian]

The results weren't broken down by race. Since the Bible Belt States have the greatest overall percentage of blacks, one could say that blacks are the cause.

Black or African-American Population for the United States by Region, 2002 — Infoplease.com

only if one draws a false correlation... particularly given that white single mothers in red states are the largetst recipient as a group of welfare.

Reality: the POOREST states are bible belt states are are the ones with the worst performance educationally. Poverty and education are a bad combination.

The wealthiest (and poorest) places in the United States - Aug. 28, 2007

 

[xsited1]

The results weren't broken down by race. Since the Bible Belt States have the greatest overall percentage of blacks, one could say that blacks are the cause.

Black or African-American Population for the United States by Region, 2002 — Infoplease.com

Your suggestion that correlation implies causation is a logical fallacy. That's exactly the point that the OP was making.

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[HUGGY]

Are bible belt whites inherently stupider?

If I'VE SAID IT ONCE....

Don't you mean "More stupider"?

 

[Kalam]

The results weren't broken down by race. Since the Bible Belt States have the greatest overall percentage of blacks, one could say that blacks are the cause.

Black or African-American Population for the United States by Region, 2002 — Infoplease.com

Your suggestion that correlation implies causation is a logical fallacy. That's exactly the point that the OP was making.

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Thanks. Now run along and make some more troll posts about blacks being inherently intellectually inferior to whites and Asians.

 

[xsited1]

The results weren't broken down by race. Since the Bible Belt States have the greatest overall percentage of blacks, one could say that blacks are the cause.

Black or African-American Population for the United States by Region, 2002 — Infoplease.com

only if one draws a false correlation... particularly given that white single mothers in red states are the largetst recipient as a group of welfare.

Reality: the POOREST states are bible belt states are are the ones with the worst performance educationally. Poverty and education are a bad combination.

The wealthiest (and poorest) places in the United States - Aug. 28, 2007

Another Captain Obvious winner!

But to correct your 'Captain Obvious' post a bit, black single mothers in red states are the largest recipients of welfare PER CAPITA. Yes, there are more white single mothers on welfare (actually, it's nearly even statistically), but there are also 5 times as many whites than blacks.

 

[xsited1]

Your suggestion that correlation implies causation is a logical fallacy. That's exactly the point that the OP was making.

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Thanks. Now run along and make some more troll posts about blacks being inherently intellectually inferior to whites and Asians.

I didn't start this trolling thread. Take it up with Red Dawn.

 

[roomy]

Your suggestion that correlation implies causation is a logical fallacy. That's exactly the point that the OP was making.

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Thanks. Now run along and make some more troll posts about blacks being inherently intellectually inferior to whites and Asians.

The men have larger penis's and the women have bigger butts so I think it evens itself out.