Arab Historian: "No such thing as Palestine in Arab History"

[Roudy]

In a 1946 appearance before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, also acting as an investigative body, the Arab-American historian Philip Hitti stated:

“There is no such thing as Palestine in [Arab] history, absolutely not.” According to investigative journalist Joan Peters, who spent seven years researching the origins of the Arab-Jewish conflict over Palestine.

Hitti was educated at an American Presbyterian mission school at Suq al-Gharb and at the American University of Beirut. After graduating in 1908 he taught at the American University of Beirut before moving to Columbia University where he taught Semitic languages and got his PhD in 1915. After World War I he returned to American University of Beirut and taught there until 1926. In February 1926 he was offered a Chair at Princeton University which he held until he retired in 1954. He was both Professor of Semitic Literature and Chairman of the Department of Oriental Languages. After formal retirement he accepted a position at Harvard. He also taught in the summer schools at the University of Utah and George Washington University in Washington, D.C. He subsequently held a research position at the University of Minnesota. Philip Hitti almost single handedly created the discipline of Arabic Studies in the United States.
In 1944 before a U. S. House committee, Hitti gave testimony in support of the view that there was no historical justification for a Jewish homeland in Palestine. His testimony was reprinted in the Princeton Herald. In response, Albert Einstein and his friend and colleague Erich Kahler jointly replied in the same newspaper with their counter-arguments. Hitti then published a response and Einstein and Kahler concluded the debate in the Princeton Herald with their second response.[1] In 1945 Hitti served as an adviser to the Iraqi delegation at the San Francisco Conference which established the United Nations. In 1946, Hitti was the first Arab-American witness at the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry on Palestine. Bartley Crum, an American member of the committee, recalled that
Hitti.. explained that there was actually no such entity as Palestine- never had been; it was historically part of Syria, and "the Sunday schools have done a great deal of harm to us because by smearing the walls of classrooms with maps of Palestine, they associate it with the Jews in the minds of the average American and Englishman"

 

[irosie91]

How long did HITTI live after making that statement, roudy?

 

[Roudy]

How long did HITTI live after making that statement, roudy?

Let's ask Tinmore what he thinks about this revelation.

 

[toastman]

 

[irosie91]

good one!!!!!!

 

[Jos]

 

[irosie91]

jos----you again made no point------the brits issued that one-----
which supports maryland who said the brits invented the word
"palestine"-----which is essentially true----they based it on the
roman 'palestina' ----written in roman letters-----I don't know
where to find that version of the british word 'palestine'

the coin you depicted has not emerged from the sands of arabia

 

[Jos]

The first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BC Ancient Greece.[13] Herodotus wrote of a 'district of Syria, called Palaistinê" in The Histories, the first historical work clearly defining the region, which included the Judean mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley.[14][15][16][17] and formed part of the 5th Persian satrapy (νομό&#962.[18] Approximately a century later, Aristotle used a similar definition in Meteorology, writing "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake (λίμν&#951 in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said. They say that this lake is so bitter and salt that no fish live in it and that if you soak clothes in it and shake them it cleans them," understood by scholars to be a reference to the Dead Sea.[19] Later writers such as Polemon, and Pausanias also used the term to refer to the same region. This usage was followed by Roman writers such as Ovid, Tibullus, Pomponius Mela, Pliny the Elder, Dio Chrysostom, Statius, Plutarch as well as Roman Judean writers Philo of Alexandria[20] and Josephus.[21] Other writers, such as Strabo, a prominent Roman-era geographer (although he wrote in Greek), referred to the region as Coele-Syria around 10–20 CE.[22][23] The term was first used to denote an official province in c.135 CE, when the Roman authorities, following the suppression of the Bar Kokhba Revolt, combined Iudaea Province with Galilee and other surrounding cities such as Ashkelon to form "Syria Palaestina" (Syria Palaestina), which some scholars state was in order to complete the dissociation with Judaea.

Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hossfly]

How long did HITTI live after making that statement, roudy?

About 8 minutes. Never knew what hit him.

 

[irosie91]

very good Jos----none of the persons you mentioned were arabs ----I absolutely believe the information you present-----and have never denied
it A greek introduced the word PALESTINA---and it was adopted by
the ROMANS ---and formally USED by the "HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE
when that was established approximately 300 AD -----you have actually
not come up with information as to when ARABS began to use the term
"PALESTINE" -----jews used the term "palestine" for centuries---generally
for informal use-----daily conversation just as jews used a form of german
and/or spanish for daily conversation for centuries---

the word does not appear either in the bible or the koran----its
widespread use---into LINGUA FRANCA is actually an innovation
of CRUSADERS

 

[editec]

very good Jos----none of the persons you mentioned were arabs ----I absolutely believe the information you present-----and have never denied
it A greek introduced the word PALESTINA---and it was adopted by
the ROMANS ---and formally USED by the "HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE
when that was established approximately 300 AD -----you have actually
not come up with information as to when ARABS began to use the term
"PALESTINE" -----jews used the term "palestine" for centuries---generally
for informal use-----daily conversation just as jews used a form of german
and/or spanish for daily conversation for centuries---

the word does not appear either in the bible or the koran----its
widespread use---into LINGUA FRANCA is actually an innovation
of CRUSADERS

Not that when the name Palestine was first used to descrive that region matters a whit to the current battle but...

The first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BC Ancient Greece.[5] Herodotus wrote of a 'district of Syria, called Palaistinê" in The Histories, the first historical work clearly defining the region, which included the Judean mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley.[6][7][8][9][10][11]

Approximately a century later, Aristotle used a similar definition in Meteorology, writing "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said. They say that this lake is so bitter and salt that no fish live in it and that if you soak clothes in it and shake them it cleans them," understood by scholars to be a reference to the Dead Sea.[12]

Later writers such as Polemon and Pausanias also used the term to refer to the same region.

This usage was followed by Roman writers such as Ovid, Tibullus, Pomponius Mela, Pliny the Elder, Dio Chrysostom, Statius, Plutarch as well as Roman Judean writers Philo of Alexandria and Josephus.[13] Other writers, such as Strabo, a prominent Roman-era geographer (although he wrote in Greek), referred to the region as Coele-Syria ("all Syria") around 10-20 CE.[14][15]

The term was first used to denote an official province in c.135 CE, when the Roman authorities, following the suppression of the Bar Kokhba Revolt, combined Iudaea Province with Galilee and other surrounding cities such as Ashkelon to form "Syria Palaestina" (Syria Palaestina). There is circumstantial evidence linking Hadrian with the name change,[16] although the precise date is not certain,[16] and the assertion of some scholars that the name change was intended "to complete the dissociation with Judaea"[17][18] is disputed.[19]

 

[Jos]

The Hebrew name Peleshet (פלשת Pəlésheth) – usually translated as Philistia in English, is used in the Bible more than 250 times. The Greek word Palaistinē (Παλαιστίνη, "Palaistine") is generally accepted to be a translation of the Semitic name for Philistia; however another term – land of the Philistieim (γῆ τῶν Φυλιστιεἰμ , transliteration from Hebrew) – was used in the Septuagint, the second century BCE Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, to refer to Philistia.[26] In the Torah / Pentateuch, the term Philistia is used 10 times and its boundaries are undefined. The later Historical books (see Deuteronomistic history) include most of the biblical references, almost 200 of which are in the Book of Judges and the Books of Samuel, where the term is used to denote the southern coastal region to the west of the ancient Kingdom of Judah.[11][12][21][27]

During the Byzantine period, the entire region (Syria Palestine, Samaria, and the Galilee) was named Palaestina, subdivided into provinces Palaestina I and II.[28] The Byzantines also renamed an area of land including the Negev, Sinai, and the west coast of the Arabian Peninsula as Palaestina Salutaris, sometimes called Palaestina III.[28] The Arabic word for Palestine is فلسطين (commonly transcribed in English as Filistin, Filastin, or Falastin).[29] Moshe Sharon writes that when the Arabs took over Greater Syria in the 7th century, place names that were in use by the Byzantine administration before them, generally continued to be used. Hence, he traces the emergence of the Arabic form Filastin to this adoption, with Arabic inflection, of Roman and Hebrew (Semitic) names.[11] Jacob Lassner and Selwyn Ilan Troen offer a different view, writing that Jund Filastin, the full name for the administrative province under the rule of the Arab caliphates, was traced by Muslim geographers back to the Philistines of the Bible.[30] The use of the name "Palestine" in English became more common after the European renaissance.[31] It was officially revived by the British after the fall of the Ottoman Empire and applied to the territory that was placed under The Palestine Mandate.

Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ima]

It's not even the point what it was called, it's about what the Jews did to the people living there at the time. And continue to do. I know you all know that, you just like pretending amongst yourselves that it's not true by pointing to the wrong color of shoes or some other trivial thing.

 

[toastman]

It's not even the point what it was called, it's about what the Jews did to the people living there at the time. And continue to do. I know you all know that, you just like pretending amongst yourselves that it's not true by pointing to the wrong color of shoes or some other trivial thing.

First of all, the first documented massacre was the Hebron Massacre in 1929.
Second, you're acting like a bunch of Jews came in and right away started a war. FALSE.

The other Arab countries initiated the war and the Palestinians helped as well. The Jews fought back and this is known as a CIVIL WAR. Guess who won the civil war and gained land in the process???

 

[ima]

It's not even the point what it was called, it's about what the Jews did to the people living there at the time. And continue to do. I know you all know that, you just like pretending amongst yourselves that it's not true by pointing to the wrong color of shoes or some other trivial thing.

First of all, the first documented massacre was the Hebron Massacre in 1929.
Second, you're acting like a bunch of Jews came in and right away started a war. FALSE.

The other Arab countries initiated the war and the Palestinians helped as well. The Jews fought back and this is known as a CIVIL WAR. Guess who won the civil war and gained land in the process???

Only problem is that the war's not over. The arabs are develloping nukes. If I were Israel, I'd make peace before that happens.

 

[Roudy]

The first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BC Ancient Greece.[13] Herodotus wrote of a 'district of Syria, called Palaistinê" in The Histories, the first historical work clearly defining the region, which included the Judean mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley.[14][15][16][17] and formed part of the 5th Persian satrapy (νομό&#962.[18] Approximately a century later, Aristotle used a similar definition in Meteorology, writing "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake (λίμν&#951 in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said. They say that this lake is so bitter and salt that no fish live in it and that if you soak clothes in it and shake them it cleans them," understood by scholars to be a reference to the Dead Sea.[19] Later writers such as Polemon, and Pausanias also used the term to refer to the same region. This usage was followed by Roman writers such as Ovid, Tibullus, Pomponius Mela, Pliny the Elder, Dio Chrysostom, Statius, Plutarch as well as Roman Judean writers Philo of Alexandria[20] and Josephus.[21] Other writers, such as Strabo, a prominent Roman-era geographer (although he wrote in Greek), referred to the region as Coele-Syria around 10–20 CE.[22][23] The term was first used to denote an official province in c.135 CE, when the Roman authorities, following the suppression of the Bar Kokhba Revolt, combined Iudaea Province with Galilee and other surrounding cities such as Ashkelon to form "Syria Palaestina" (Syria Palaestina), which some scholars state was in order to complete the dissociation with Judaea.

Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yawn. We are talking about an Arab Palestine. Pay attention now will you?

I'll take what an Arab Historian says "no such thing as Arab Palestine in history". Straight from the horses mouth.

Thanks.

 

[Roudy]

very good Jos----none of the persons you mentioned were arabs ----I absolutely believe the information you present-----and have never denied
it A greek introduced the word PALESTINA---and it was adopted by
the ROMANS ---and formally USED by the "HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE
when that was established approximately 300 AD -----you have actually
not come up with information as to when ARABS began to use the term
"PALESTINE" -----jews used the term "palestine" for centuries---generally
for informal use-----daily conversation just as jews used a form of german
and/or spanish for daily conversation for centuries---

the word does not appear either in the bible or the koran----its
widespread use---into LINGUA FRANCA is actually an innovation
of CRUSADERS

Not that when the name Palestine was first used to descrive that region matters a whit to the current battle but...

The first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BC Ancient Greece.[5] Herodotus wrote of a 'district of Syria, called Palaistinê" in The Histories, the first historical work clearly defining the region, which included the Judean mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley.[6][7][8][9][10][11]

Approximately a century later, Aristotle used a similar definition in Meteorology, writing "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said. They say that this lake is so bitter and salt that no fish live in it and that if you soak clothes in it and shake them it cleans them," understood by scholars to be a reference to the Dead Sea.[12]

Later writers such as Polemon and Pausanias also used the term to refer to the same region.

This usage was followed by Roman writers such as Ovid, Tibullus, Pomponius Mela, Pliny the Elder, Dio Chrysostom, Statius, Plutarch as well as Roman Judean writers Philo of Alexandria and Josephus.[13] Other writers, such as Strabo, a prominent Roman-era geographer (although he wrote in Greek), referred to the region as Coele-Syria ("all Syria") around 10-20 CE.[14][15]

The term was first used to denote an official province in c.135 CE, when the Roman authorities, following the suppression of the Bar Kokhba Revolt, combined Iudaea Province with Galilee and other surrounding cities such as Ashkelon to form "Syria Palaestina" (Syria Palaestina). There is circumstantial evidence linking Hadrian with the name change,[16] although the precise date is not certain,[16] and the assertion of some scholars that the name change was intended "to complete the dissociation with Judaea"[17][18] is disputed.[19]

Still don't see any connection between Arabs and Palestine.

Stay in subject. I'm not interested in the history of the Philistines, Cannanites, Israelites, Romans in the area, all of which have nothing to do with an ARAB PALESTINE.

Strike 2.

 

[Roudy]

It's not even the point what it was called, it's about what the Jews did to the people living there at the time. And continue to do. I know you all know that, you just like pretending amongst yourselves that it's not true by pointing to the wrong color of shoes or some other trivial thing.

First of all, the first documented massacre was the Hebron Massacre in 1929.
Second, you're acting like a bunch of Jews came in and right away started a war. FALSE.

The other Arab countries initiated the war and the Palestinians helped as well. The Jews fought back and this is known as a CIVIL WAR. Guess who won the civil war and gained land in the process???

Only problem is that the war's not over. The arabs are develloping nukes. If I were Israel, I'd make peace before that happens.

Which Arab country is developing nukes? Iran is not an Arab country.

 

[irosie91]

Which Arab country is developing nukes? Iran is not an Arab country.


Poor IMA it does not know what an INSULT it is to an
iranian to be mistaken for an <yuck>
<ICK> <VOMIT> ....arab

 

[ima]

Which Arab country is developing nukes? Iran is not an Arab country.


Poor IMA it does not know what an INSULT it is to an
iranian to be mistaken for an <yuck>
<ICK> <VOMIT> ....arab

EXCUUUUUZE ME!!! lol. They're all sand monkeys to me. Iranians aren't arabs, gee, that's a new one for me. lol Thanks.
So what are they if not arab?