Anyone Willing to Help Our Troops Coming Out?

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    I'm volunteering at the local base, teaching troops coming out, how to write resumes, interview etc...(I own an executive recruiting firm so this is my area of expertise). I've put together a program they love but all of my experience has been working in or owning private sector businesses. So during the last class, I was explaining the radical differences in priorities and thinking between the military and the private sector (e.g. profits are simply never a consideration in the military), when one of the sergeants asked about the difference between military thinking a public sector civilian thinking. I was able to offer some insights but could really use some feedback from people who have worked there for a substantial period of time.
    If you would be wliing to help in this regard, please IM or otherwise let me know. Thanks. FS
     
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    I don't think the differences in military, public, private, profit, or non-profit is the biggest problem facing post 9/11 veterans today. One would think that integrity, strong work ethic, and loyalty would be enough but it is not. A candidate with a well written resume that expresses skills, experiences, accomplishments, and education and translated into civilian terms as much as possible one would think, would be enough. After all, mission, job tasks, and organizational policy must be learned regardless of background.

    There is a deeper reason that the unemployment rate among veterans is over 12 percent. Employers are discriminating against them all the while claiming to be pro-military. This discrimination is of course hard to prove but must be dealt with. Networking, luck, education, certifications, and a willingness to get a foot in the door at a lower level works for some.
     
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    That's really not the case - at least not for the most part. You should see the "Military to Civilian Transition Guide". What a piece of crap.
    Additionally, most of them don't know how to translate what they've done in the military, into terms that will appeal to civilian employers. You wouldn't believe how many resumes I've already reviewed that went "8/2010 - 8/2102 1st Sgt. ComWesDefWing. Maintianed thirty A-11's and twenty F-4's including AG-313 and 6B2's..."
    When it came to intertviewing, it got worse.
    The stuff I'm teaching them is way advanced kung fu. I own an executive recruiting firm and prepare people for jobs that at the low-end, pay $150K+.
     
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    yes, it is the case. Veteran discrimination is rampant. There are numerous studies and references to review if you really want to help veterans. As I wrote, the resume needs to be translated into civilian terms as much as possible. Some jobs just do not translate and needs to be explained. You are putting people into 6 figure jobs but your example is an aircraft mechanic. In a down economy which has thumped the aviation industry, mechs are a dime a dozen. Your commission on a 150K job placement is a nice one and I have no problem with that. If you really want to help those that need it, please find out their actual needs.
     
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    I'll build a nice prison to help them IN for ignoring the constitution, following illegal orders from "superior" meatheads and invading nations that did nothing to the USA.
    Imagine/ "Give us Douger or we'll bomb you back to the stone age".
    Fuck'em. Idiots
     
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    Like I said, this wasn't intended as another debate thread. So fine. Of the troops I have personally worked with, most of them don't find what you describe to be the case. Neither do the people on the Transition Assistance Team. As a matter of fact, local companies are going out of their way, to reach out to them and say "Hey, we're anxious to hire vets." Additionally, Obama put a HUGE financial incentive out there to hire vets and a LOT of companies have been contacting the base in that regard.
    And tell you what, when you're driving a 120 mi. round trip to give your time to others and also when you have an actual clue of what I've been doing, THEN you can tell me to "find their actual needs". In the meantime, you criticizing what you're clueless about, is worthless. Of course, it's always easy to do from the armchair though, isn't it?
    Look Navy, I acknowledge that there are some stereotypes the vets have to overcome. Oftentimes, they're spot on. Lack of creativity, poor managers etc... We deal with those stereotypes and how to overcome them in my program.
    But these people don't view themselves as victims, focusing on the negative or victim-mentality isn't helpful and the people I'm working with are tougher than that.
    As far as it being discrimination, that's not true in this case. I'm sure it happens but it's rare here. Big military town.
    The HR people who have gotten back to the TAP team have given them comments like "Look, I wanted to hire this guy but he sat at attention the whole time, never smiled once and when I asked him what made him unique, he blanked." That was from a company that proactively contacted the base and interviewed a computer programmer. That's not discrimination.
    This program has already produced success. It may end up the new template for the military. But I've never been one of those guys who feel good is good enough.
    If you want to start a thread about discrimination against vets, feel free.
    Not what's needed here.
    So if you have anything even more motivating and constructive than "All is doom and gloom, companines all hate vets and there is no hope!", that would be great. I thought the OP was pretty simple. I need to talk with people who have worked in the civilian public sector for a substantial period of time. For reasons, you don't even understand - unless you're also a busines psychologist & profiler - which is what I used to teach at the University of San Diego.
    So if you can't offer anything relevant or helpful then as always, I'll thank you for your service and let's leave it at that.
     
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    I thought this was about coming out of the closet. :lol:
     
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    LOL!!! That's too funny!
     
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    @indylogic

    I didn't mean to highjack your thread or get you all butt-hurt. Good luck in placing your candidates in those six figure jobs.
     
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    OP is networking, ole navy is telling him to review studies to "actually help veterans"
    i know who acts butt hurt in this scenario, in a coming out thread, no less.
     

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