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any questions about Iran?
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Are you aware that comments like that lower the intelligence of the board and make you look like an!
actually I Belive the very opposite be true
Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.
Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.
Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!
Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".
Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."
Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." AE911Truth
Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 500 Architects and Engineers:
"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition
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Hey Perham, whose bigger in Iran, Liverpool or Manchester United?
me being a liverpool fan, can't give you unbiased view!
Alright!
You, me and Tigerbob will all get along well.
YNWA!
The Best Defense Iran Could Have
By David Swanson
Given the fates of the other two members of Bush's axis of evil, some would argue that the best defense Iran could have would be a nuclear bomb. They would, however, be wildly wrong. The best defense Iran could have would be awareness in the minds of Americans of who the Iranian people are, a people with great love and affection for the American people, great generosity toward others, and great commitment to peace. The best way I know that this defense could be created would be for Americans to give every other American they can a copy of Phil Wilayto's new book "In Defense of Iran: Notes from a U.S. Peace Delegation's Journey Through the Islamic Republic."
And an amazing journey it is, visiting people and places in Iran that you would not expect from either Iran's portrayal in the corporate media or from the position I've taken in the previous paragraph. Wilayto does not air brush Iran's flaws or exaggerate its achievements, but he does set them in proper context and provide illuminating comparisons with other countries, especially our own. His tale mixes travel records with history and political argument to provide the best window I've found through which to peer halfway around the globe and into a complex and conventionally caricatured culture. Wilayto even recounts running into a U.S. television crew in Iran and shows us what they reported as well as what was really there.
Wilayto's book provides an understanding, among much else, of the following:
Everyone in Iran is provided with health care.
In Iran abortion is illegal, male sterilization legal, and couples required to take a class on modern contraception before marrying. A condom factory in Tehran produces 45 million condoms per year in 30 colors, shapes, and flavors.
In Iran live Persians, Turks, Arabs, Kurds, Baluchis, Bakhtyaris, Lurs, Armenians, Assyrians, Jews, Brahuis, and Iranians of African descent. Israel has had very little luck offering Iranian Jews large sums of money to move to Israel. Minorities are guaranteed representation in Iran's government.
The CIA overthrew Iran's democratically elected leader in 1953 for British oil interests repackaged as Cold War struggle. Fear of another CIA coup was a major cause of Iranian students seizing American hostages in 1979. The hostage taking caused President Jimmy Carter to cut diplomatic ties and create sanctions that remain in place today.
Iranians like to put hard sugar in their mouths and sip tea through it.
The issue at the heart of U.S.-Iranian relations is Iran's nationalization or privatization of oil. Working class Iranians tend to favor nationalization and tend to be more religious, while those speaking out for more personal freedoms tend to be wealthy and to favor privatization.
When Iranians, including members of the military unit that the United States has bizarrely labeled a terrorist group, meet Americans in Iran they are thrilled, friendly, delighted, and eager to offer their assistance.
Iran has not attacked anyone in centuries but was attacked by Iraq with support from the United States, in a brutal eight-year war that included the use, by Iraq, of chemical weapons. A major Iranian peace museum documents the horrors of war.
Women and men can use Iranian taxis, but women who prefer to ride without men can use a taxi company created only for women.
Iran opposed Al Qaeda, Saddam Hussein, and the Taliban, and assisted the United States in Afghanistan.
In 1988 a U.S. ship shot down an Iranian passenger plane, killing all 290 passengers. President Reagan gave the ship's officers medals, and President Bush I. swore he would never apologize for it, something neither of his presidential successors has done either.
Literacy for Iranian women has climbed from 25 percent in 1970 under the U.S. backed shah to 80 percent in 2007, and school enrollment from 60 percent in 1970 to 90 percent in 2000. Between 65 and 70 percent of university students are women.
In 2003 Iran offered to negotiate, including putting its relationship with Israel and its nuclear energy program on the table, and President Bush II. said no.
Hand guns and alcohol are banned. A strong social safety net prevents poverty. Women feel safe walking alone at night.
Iran has an all-female fire department. U.S. cities banned female firefighters until 1974.
The president of Iran proposed regime change in Israel, not genocide of Israelis, and is open to a two-state solution for Palestine.
Working women get 90 days maternity leave at two-thirds pay.
Iran ranks high in lists of nations with rights for workers. The right to organize and strike is not respected. But overtime is voluntary and paid at 140 percent. Vacations are four weeks. Wages cannot be varied on the basis of age, gender, race, ethnic origin, or political or religious convictions. Those laid off get severance pay. Those falsely accused of crimes get back pay and retain their jobs.
The above list is a fraction of the topics addressed brilliantly in Wilayto's book. He also addresses the topic of nuclear energy, arguing that Iran's oil supply will run out and that therefore Iran must build nuclear energy. However, there are alternatives that Wilayto does not discuss.
Of course, Iran's and everyone's oil supplies will indeed run out, although we'll probably destroy the planet for human life if we exhaust those supplies. On the other hand, nuclear energy is extremely dangerous as well. One alternative that is viable in Iran is wind.
CODEPINK Women for Peace recently announced the creation of a company called Winds of Change, which will invest in Iranian wind energy, specifically in the Saba Niroo Wind Company, as well as in a campaign to end sanctions. Saba Niroo builds wind farms in Iran, but has been forced to halt production because the United States has pressured the Danish wind company Vestas to deny the Iranian company necessary parts.
"It's ironic that the West is so vehemently opposed to Iran's efforts to develop nuclear energy, but it is sabotaging our efforts to develop clean energy sources like wind," said Nader Niktabe, Sara Niroo's managing director.
"Under present U.S. law, companies that invest in Iran are subject to a $1 million fine," said Medea Benjamin, CODEPINK co-founder. "We're challenging those unproductive restrictions and pushing the Obama administration to lift sanctions and establish peaceful relations with Iran."
www.davidswanson's blog.com
By David Swanson
Given the fates of the other two members of Bush's axis of evil, some would argue that the best defense Iran could have would be a nuclear bomb. They would, however, be wildly wrong. The best defense Iran could have would be awareness in the minds of Americans of who the Iranian people are, a people with great love and affection for the American people, great generosity toward others, and great commitment to peace. The best way I know that this defense could be created would be for Americans to give every other American they can a copy of Phil Wilayto's new book "In Defense of Iran: Notes from a U.S. Peace Delegation's Journey Through the Islamic Republic."
And an amazing journey it is, visiting people and places in Iran that you would not expect from either Iran's portrayal in the corporate media or from the position I've taken in the previous paragraph. Wilayto does not air brush Iran's flaws or exaggerate its achievements, but he does set them in proper context and provide illuminating comparisons with other countries, especially our own. His tale mixes travel records with history and political argument to provide the best window I've found through which to peer halfway around the globe and into a complex and conventionally caricatured culture. Wilayto even recounts running into a U.S. television crew in Iran and shows us what they reported as well as what was really there.
Wilayto's book provides an understanding, among much else, of the following:
Everyone in Iran is provided with health care.
In Iran abortion is illegal, male sterilization legal, and couples required to take a class on modern contraception before marrying. A condom factory in Tehran produces 45 million condoms per year in 30 colors, shapes, and flavors.
In Iran live Persians, Turks, Arabs, Kurds, Baluchis, Bakhtyaris, Lurs, Armenians, Assyrians, Jews, Brahuis, and Iranians of African descent. Israel has had very little luck offering Iranian Jews large sums of money to move to Israel. Minorities are guaranteed representation in Iran's government.
The CIA overthrew Iran's democratically elected leader in 1953 for British oil interests repackaged as Cold War struggle. Fear of another CIA coup was a major cause of Iranian students seizing American hostages in 1979. The hostage taking caused President Jimmy Carter to cut diplomatic ties and create sanctions that remain in place today.
Iranians like to put hard sugar in their mouths and sip tea through it.
The issue at the heart of U.S.-Iranian relations is Iran's nationalization or privatization of oil. Working class Iranians tend to favor nationalization and tend to be more religious, while those speaking out for more personal freedoms tend to be wealthy and to favor privatization.
When Iranians, including members of the military unit that the United States has bizarrely labeled a terrorist group, meet Americans in Iran they are thrilled, friendly, delighted, and eager to offer their assistance.
Iran has not attacked anyone in centuries but was attacked by Iraq with support from the United States, in a brutal eight-year war that included the use, by Iraq, of chemical weapons. A major Iranian peace museum documents the horrors of war.
Women and men can use Iranian taxis, but women who prefer to ride without men can use a taxi company created only for women.
Iran opposed Al Qaeda, Saddam Hussein, and the Taliban, and assisted the United States in Afghanistan.
In 1988 a U.S. ship shot down an Iranian passenger plane, killing all 290 passengers. President Reagan gave the ship's officers medals, and President Bush I. swore he would never apologize for it, something neither of his presidential successors has done either.
Literacy for Iranian women has climbed from 25 percent in 1970 under the U.S. backed shah to 80 percent in 2007, and school enrollment from 60 percent in 1970 to 90 percent in 2000. Between 65 and 70 percent of university students are women.
In 2003 Iran offered to negotiate, including putting its relationship with Israel and its nuclear energy program on the table, and President Bush II. said no.
Hand guns and alcohol are banned. A strong social safety net prevents poverty. Women feel safe walking alone at night.
Iran has an all-female fire department. U.S. cities banned female firefighters until 1974.
The president of Iran proposed regime change in Israel, not genocide of Israelis, and is open to a two-state solution for Palestine.
Working women get 90 days maternity leave at two-thirds pay.
Iran ranks high in lists of nations with rights for workers. The right to organize and strike is not respected. But overtime is voluntary and paid at 140 percent. Vacations are four weeks. Wages cannot be varied on the basis of age, gender, race, ethnic origin, or political or religious convictions. Those laid off get severance pay. Those falsely accused of crimes get back pay and retain their jobs.
The above list is a fraction of the topics addressed brilliantly in Wilayto's book. He also addresses the topic of nuclear energy, arguing that Iran's oil supply will run out and that therefore Iran must build nuclear energy. However, there are alternatives that Wilayto does not discuss.
Of course, Iran's and everyone's oil supplies will indeed run out, although we'll probably destroy the planet for human life if we exhaust those supplies. On the other hand, nuclear energy is extremely dangerous as well. One alternative that is viable in Iran is wind.
CODEPINK Women for Peace recently announced the creation of a company called Winds of Change, which will invest in Iranian wind energy, specifically in the Saba Niroo Wind Company, as well as in a campaign to end sanctions. Saba Niroo builds wind farms in Iran, but has been forced to halt production because the United States has pressured the Danish wind company Vestas to deny the Iranian company necessary parts.
"It's ironic that the West is so vehemently opposed to Iran's efforts to develop nuclear energy, but it is sabotaging our efforts to develop clean energy sources like wind," said Nader Niktabe, Sara Niroo's managing director.
"Under present U.S. law, companies that invest in Iran are subject to a $1 million fine," said Medea Benjamin, CODEPINK co-founder. "We're challenging those unproductive restrictions and pushing the Obama administration to lift sanctions and establish peaceful relations with Iran."
www.davidswanson's blog.com
if I was America, I would stop Iran from getting nukes in anyway I could, at any cost. the reason behind this is not the threats media trying to propagate, but because a powerful and sovereign Iran could change the situation in middle east so much that Israel and US cannot afford. a powerful Iran in middle east means that Arab countries could count on a regional power for protection, and Arab people would see what a revolution can do with a puppet dictatorship. that means instability in those countries, and perhaps regime change, leading to a powerful united middle east that Israel can no longer stand against, and that is cutting the influence of foreign countries in middle east, and very much means the control of oil in the hands of an independent entity, and downfall of western economic superiority. if Iran gets the nukes, the stupidest thing to do is to wage a war, exactly when he can use this awesome potential to make a superpower. so, first, believe me, if Iran could have been stopped by a little air strike, it would have been done already, second, Iran would not use nukes to destroy his only chance to become powerful, third, don't believe everything your mass media says.
I don't think possessing nuclear weapons will dramtically chance the balance of power to be honest.
Nations have nuclear weapons and they serve as deterents to invasion and bombing, but that's about it.
Since I doubt the West has seriously planned on invading Iran, the value of those weapons will be (as it has become for India, Israel and Pakistan) illusionary.
I doubt even Iran's most radical radicals would, for example, nuke Isreal, knowing that the outcome of that would be the total destruction of Iran.
So really what good are those weapons to any of the nations which have them?
Not much really.
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that was the first thing I did when I joined PF. if you have any questions about Iran, ask, I'll answer. you may want the viewpoint of a 21 year old Iranian living in Tehran.
Are you afraid that Bush will attack before he leaves office?
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US will never be forgiven in Iran for overthrowing such a wonderful potential. that's all I can say.
Sadly I can't pos rep this post.
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Are you afraid that Bush will attack before he leaves office?
no, he will not. but I think he will push for inspections on Iranian shoe companies as a weapon of ass destruction!
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Alright!
You, me and Tigerbob will all get along well.
YNWA!
Note to self - it could have been worse, much worse, it could have been Manure Ltd.
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A serious question. Iran's Islamic Republic was proclaimed when Ayatolla Ruhollah Khomeini returned from exile in France in 1979 when the Pahlavi family were forced out of Iran. Do people in Iran today, those who remember the Pahlavi regime and perhaps those who know of the regime from historical study, wish a return to the Pahlavi days?
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A serious question. Iran's Islamic Republic was proclaimed when Ayatolla Ruhollah Khomeini returned from exile in France in 1979 when the Pahlavi family were forced out of Iran. Do people in Iran today, those who remember the Pahlavi regime and perhaps those who know of the regime from historical study, wish a return to the Pahlavi days?
mostly rich people, the revolution had it's effect on them, but that's at best 3% of today's Iran. really, it was more than awful in villages and small cities back then. Iran was just wasting money on useless junk like ceremonies and stuff. if mossadeq's regime could have continue its job, we were among top economies of the world now. besides, today Iran has a very bright and active young force that are changing the country. I've never seen any of these 3rd generation kids wanting a dictatorship back. btw, Islamic republic proclaimed after a democratic referendum with 98% of people voting for it.
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Thanks for that Perham, it's a valuable insight. I think it's important for those of us outside Iran to see things in perspective....in fact we can all defy our governments by finding out things from individuals without the government filters, simply exchanging messages between and amongst individuals is a great thing. More power to us little folks
I don't have any problem with jews in general. and I think that Israel should go back to 1948's lines and we should have two separate and sovereign states of Israel and Palestine there. and there should be no war whatsoever.
Well said and I agree.
Also, thank you for your participation and willingness to share.
I think what many seem to forget is that most people in this world simply want to live their lives and get along. They are more worried about family, work and recreation, instead of many negative things.
A good friend of mine just returned home to Lebanon, another beautiful country who has simply been ruined by everyone else in the region. His family and mine have to meet in Cyprus or on our families home island to visit, simply because it is still not safe for American's to travel over there. Hopefully the day will come when that is not the case.
I've been telling this board that the people of Iran are relatively modern sophisticated folks for some time now, Perham.
Mostly I think they dismissed me as being an idealist, a liberal, and a fool.
Your posts here have done much, I think, to make them realize that your people are really not all that much different than they are.
Basically both Americans and Iranians (the people, not necessarily their governments) want to live in peace and get on with their lives.
I sincerely hope that Obama's regime will do much to decrease the amount of tension between our people.
Mostly I think they dismissed me as being an idealist, a liberal, and a fool.
Your posts here have done much, I think, to make them realize that your people are really not all that much different than they are.
Basically both Americans and Iranians (the people, not necessarily their governments) want to live in peace and get on with their lives.
I sincerely hope that Obama's regime will do much to decrease the amount of tension between our people.
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I've been telling this board that the people of Iran are relatively modern sophisticated folks for some time now, Perham.
Mostly I think they dismissed me as being an idealist, a liberal, and a fool.
Your posts here have done much, I think, to make them realize that your people are really not all that much different than they are.
Basically both Americans and Iranians (the people, not necessarily their governments) want to live in peace and get on with their lives.
I sincerely hope that Obama's regime will do much to decrease the amount of tension between our people.
Well said and I agree.
Also, thank you for your participation and willingness to share.
I think what many seem to forget is that most people in this world simply want to live their lives and get along. They are more worried about family, work and recreation, instead of many negative things.
A good friend of mine just returned home to Lebanon, another beautiful country who has simply been ruined by everyone else in the region. His family and mine have to meet in Cyprus or on our families home island to visit, simply because it is still not safe for American's to travel over there. Hopefully the day will come when that is not the case.
the nations never had a problem in the first place. the governments did. what percentage of people in both countries do you think have the same urge for more power and more money as their own politicians? I say less than 10%. you think nations go to war? nope, governments do. we all could be friends. we just need to change.
It would lead to a nuclear arms race in the middle east. First it would start with Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE and Turkey (all who don't have peachy relations with Iran). Soon, ironically it would move to Iraq. At that point there would be no stopping the free fall. The Lebanon and Syria would be next with Iran's help. Soon Jordan, Libya. How long before real brutal and rogue nations like the Sudan, Mymammar/Burma, Somolia, the Congo etc get them! How long before one goes off? How long before the nuclear winter?
Rice: Arabs want to meet on Iran nukes | Iran news | Jerusalem Post
Rice: Arabs want to meet on Iran nukes | Iran news | Jerusalem Post
if I was America, I would stop Iran from getting nukes in anyway I could, at any cost. the reason behind this is not the threats media trying to propagate, but because a powerful and sovereign Iran could change the situation in middle east so much that Israel and US cannot afford. a powerful Iran in middle east means that Arab countries could count on a regional power for protection, and Arab people would see what a revolution can do with a puppet dictatorship. that means instability in those countries, and perhaps regime change, leading to a powerful united middle east that Israel can no longer stand against, and that is cutting the influence of foreign countries in middle east, and very much means the control of oil in the hands of an independent entity, and downfall of western economic superiority. if Iran gets the nukes, the stupidest thing to do is to wage a war, exactly when he can use this awesome potential to make a superpower. so, first, believe me, if Iran could have been stopped by a little air strike, it would have been done already, second, Iran would not use nukes to destroy his only chance to become powerful, third, don't believe everything your mass media says.
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It would lead to a nuclear arms race in the middle east. First it would start with Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE and Turkey (all who don't have peachy relations with Iran). Soon, ironically it would move to Iraq. At that point there would be no stopping the free fall. The Lebanon and Syria would be next with Iran's help. Soon Jordan, Libya. How long before real brutal and rogue nations like the Sudan, Mymammar/Burma, Somolia, the Congo etc get them! How long before one goes off? How long before the nuclear winter?
Rice: Arabs want to meet on Iran nukes | Iran news | Jerusalem Post
I don't think any country would share the knowledge of how to make a nuclear bomb. that just doesn't work. anyway, it's all speculations. we can't really know the future until it comes. January 20th is an important day, let's see what happens next.
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