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Holy shit.
You're a peach.
Iran hasn't entered (as in started) a conventional war in close to a century.
Even Carbariner remembers the Iran/Iraq war!
Big win for Iran
Iran has been providing weapons, including rockets and explosives, to Shiite extremists to kill Iraqi and U.S. troops. Iran also trains Iraqi insurgents inside Iran. It also aids Muqtada al-Sadr, the firebrand Shiite cleric who wants Iraq to become a hard-line Islamic state.
Strategically, its obvious. This is a big win for Tehran, Gen. Kimmitt said.
I believe there is a lot of concern [in Gulf Arab states]. We have said one of reasons for keeping American forces in Iraq was to continue a very strong signal to Iran to draw a line between Persian Iran and the rest of the region.
The Iraqis themselves have to make a decision whether they want to lean toward the West or lean toward the East. Iran has a very aggressive program inside Iraq to spread their influence.
He said Iran, which now aids Syria, and the terrorist groups Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in the Gaza Strip, would love to have a pathway through Iraq to increase its influence among those groups.
Removing U.S. troops only enables that, Gen. Kimmitt said
Key general: Iraq pullout plan a 'disaster' - Washington Times
And?
Iraq attacked Iran.
So the answer is just up and leave????????
You won't deal with the subject because you would rather seethe with your hatred of America, and Bush and blah blah blah.
Was Vietnam a mess? YES!
We could argue from here to doomsday on why and probably never agree.
A room full of historical scholars could do the same and NEVER come to a satisfactory conclusion.
Irrelevent to the subject at hand.
WHAT DO WE DO ONCE WE ARE IN SUCH A MESS????
You libs just want to fall back to your typical mindset which is "well we should have a perfect world from now on where we never get involved in another country again."
It's wishful thinking!
It's going to happen again, whether we like it or not.
So when it does, HOW SHOULD WE HANDLE A WITHDRAWAL???????
None of you libs wants to address that reality.
Not one of you.
That's lunacy.
What I want to see is responsible policy in terms of dealing with the world at large. We shouldn't be in the business of knocking over government we don't like because our businesses see a bright future in exploiting the resources of others or being involved in perpetual war.
It's really high time to stop this nonsense. It's costly and in the long run it really hurts our nation.
Yeah, we did that in the 30s and watched Europe go to hell in a handbasket.
The policy was called isolationism.
Remember the result?
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Send Carbiner to the head of the class!
I was wondering when that was going to cross your mind!
Geeze! I thought it would NEVER get through!
What do you think is on Achmadinajad's mind EVEN AS WE SPEAK, since he has heard about the US troop withdrawal?????????
So what concern of the United States was it that Iraq and Iran fought a bloody war in the 80's?
Should we have intervened on one side or the other? How many American lives would it have been worth to get involved? What would the purpose of getting involved have been?
WHAT do you think will be the danger if a nuclear Iran takes over Iraq?
Even Carbariner remembers the Iran/Iraq war!
Key general: Iraq pullout plan a 'disaster' - Washington Times
And?
Iraq attacked Iran.
And??????????
The fact is Iran was involved in a war, and dopes like Achmadinajad don't forgive and forget.
So what concern of the United States was it that Iraq and Iran fought a bloody war in the 80's?
Should we have intervened on one side or the other? How many American lives would it have been worth to get involved? What would the purpose of getting involved have been?
WHAT do you think will be the danger if a nuclear Iran takes over Iraq?
Are you making an argument for having left Saddam in power? Because no one was worried about Iran taking over Iraq then? Are you acknowledging that we already had an adequate strategic balance of power in place in the ME vis a vis Iran/Iraq before we meddled in it and messed up the entire situation?
Good for you. You get it now.
Please show me the evidence that Bush arranged the withdrawal by the end of the year.
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Article 24Withdrawal of the United States Forces from Iraq
Recognizing the performance and increasing capacity of the Iraqi Security Forces, the assumption of full security responsibility by those Forces, and based upon the strong relationship between the Parties, an agreement on the following has been reached:
1.All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.
Status of Forces Agreement, 2008 - Wikisource
Signed in duplicate in Baghdad on this 17th day of November, 2008, in the English and Arabic languages, each text being equally authentic.
FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:
FOR THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ:
Wow! I was not aware of that. If it's true (and it is) that was a very BAD move by the Bush admin.
I was not aware the Bush signed this and all the media coverage that has covered Obama's announcement of a pullout (in the liberal media) hasn't mentioned this.
My only assumption can be the reason there has been no mention is Obama wants to take the credit for pulling out of the troops before the 2012 election.
The atrocities of Pol Pot will pale beside what is going to happen in the middle east. The bloodbath now brewing in so many countries will make the Khymer Rouge a footnote.
But FDR's heroes Mao and Uncle Joe will probably still hold the #1 and 2 spots for history's greatest mass murderers
"Tough guy" Harry Bennett (1892-1979) ran the Ford Motor Co., from about 1930 to 1947.
"This "tough guy" ran the Ford Motor Company from 1930 to the death of Ford in 1947. He TERRORIZED everybody, except old man Ford himself. He had links to all the underworld figures in Detroit.
Hitler greatly admired and copied everything that Ford did. This is where he got the idea for his own private army called the Gestapo, with Himmler taking the place of Bennett."
Kerry said that there would only be 10,000 people killed if we pulled out...oopsies.
Vietnam was a war won for the Communists by the LMSM
Exactly.
And now Obama seeks to do the same with Iraq.
It doesn't really matter whether you agree with either war.
The results of just pulling out is quite clear.
It is the ultimate betrayal of people who risked their lives to help the US who will get nothing out of it but torture and death.
Not only will it be a disaster in the short run, in the long run it will send a CLEAR message that you should NEVER help the US catch terrorists, because they US won't have your back if you do.
It is the ultimate in short-sighted thinking. Obama is doing it for NOTHING but short-term political gain.
ANY gain we had hoped to have fighting terrorism in the ME, will be lost for GENERATIONS because of Obama's electorial narcissism.
It's crime against humanity.
It makes me as sick (no, sicker) as when Bush 41 just pulled out of Iraq after Gulf War I and left the Kurds to freeze and die in the mud.
One of the reaons I didn't vote for Bush 41 in '92.
I'm heart sick over the human suffering he has condemned so many people to in Iraq over this. I'm really am heart sick over it.
God help those people, because Obama sure won't.
i don't think you could post anything phonier and thereby more disgusting as this. but you will certainly try. negged
And how the Killing Fields became the Killing Fields?
The Killing Fields Museum - Learn from Cambodia - Home
It's because Democrats decided to just withdraw completely from Vietnam. Condemning not only many Vietnamese to death but MANY Cambodians.
Whether you agree with Vietham or not, Vietnam left us with one very important historical lesson.
You can't just withdraw militarily from a country whether you agree with that war or not. To do so condemns not just hundreds but MILLIONS to their deaths.
Now Obama seeks to repeat that horrible lesson in history for no other reason than to shore up his base for an election that (right now) he is likely to lose.
President Obamas decision to pull all U.S. forces out of Iraq by Dec. 31 is an absolute disaster that puts the burgeoning Arab democracy at risk of an Iranian strangling, said an architect of the 2007 troop surge that turned around a losing war.
Retired ArmyGen. John M. Keane was at the forefront of persuading President George W. Bush to scuttle a static counterinsurgency strategy and replace it with 30,000 reinforcements and a more activist, street-by-street counterterrorism tactic.
Today, even with that strategy producing a huge drop in daily attacks, Gen. Keane bluntly told The Washington Times that the United States again is losing.
I think its an absolute disaster, said Gen. Keane, who advised Gen. David H. Petraeus when he was top Iraq commander. We won the war in Iraq, and were now losing the peace.
Forty-four hundred lives lost, Gen. Keane said. Tens of thousands of troops wounded. Over a couple hundred thousand Iraqis killed. We liberated 25 million people. There is only one Arab Muslim country that elects its own government, and that is Iraq.
We should be staying there to strengthen that democracy, to let them get the kind of political gains they need to get and keep the Iranians away from strangling that country. That should be our objective, and we are walking away from that objective.
Key general calls Iraq pullout plan a 'disaster' - Washington Times
There is a reason why the Democrats didn't gain politically after pulling out of Vietnam. It's because too many Americans saw the attrocities in tht aftermath.
That's one of the reasons Kerry lost in 2008. Too many people remember Kerry's hand in us just pulling out of Vietnam
Does Obama care how many people have died in Iraq?
Does he care that every Iraqi who risked their lives to help our military hunt down terrorists will be condemned to possibile imprisonment, torture and death?
Does he care that every Iraqi that ignored danger to vote in those elections will now have their lives and their children's lives in danger?
Does he care, Iraq will probably be taken over by another tyrant like Hussein?
Oh hell no, he doesn't care. All he cares about is winning an election.
The IDIOTS who think this is a good thing, Obama just withdrawing.
How many times must this happen before LIBERAL MORONS crack open a history book and learn from our past mistakes?
Remember this in 2012.
Remember and VOTE.
, was a Cambodian Chinese revolutionary who led the Khmer Rouge[3] from 1963 until his death in 1998. From 1976 to 1979, he served as the Prime Minister of Democratic Kampuchea.
Hey, twit, why don't you risk your life and go over to Iraq to protect people from whatever?You guys are proving me right.
You just don't want to deal with the central point.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH VIETNAM OR IRAQ!
So, trying to change the subject to what America did wrong in EITHER Vietnam or Iraq ISN'T GOING TO GET AROUND THE 500 LB GORILLA IN THE ROOM.
Doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong.
What matters is WE ARE THERE, whether you like it or not.
And you can't just pull the rug out and leave!
Vietnam and Cambodia taught us what happens when you do.
And now Obama wishes to repeat that same collosal error that will likely kill more millions.
Notice NONE of you people on the left want to address that, BECAUSE YOU DON'T GIVE A DAMN HOW MANY IRAQIS WILL DIE.
All you care about is your hatred for Bush.
You really make it clear the narcissistic evil that lies at the central core of leftism.
I could tell people this is true of the left, but they would not believe me.
You lefties make the case for me. Thank you for your efforts.
Oh, of course you won't, you'd rather our soldiers die for that.
Bitch.
You'd rather that our soldiers who have already died, die for nothing!
After Tet, when we inflicted one of the worst military defeats on our enemy in the history of warfare, Cronkite and the LMSM called it for the NVA. That's what lost Vietnam for us. A LMSM sympathetic to people killing our soldiers.Unlike you (and, The CHICKENHAWKS).....Cronkite had (actually) BEEN THERE!!!!
"....Walter Cronkite first gained national recognition for his reporting from the battlefields of World War II. As a United Press correspondent, Cronkite covered the landings in North Africa and Sicily, the Allied invasion of Normandy and the subsequent battles across France and Germany. He was also a member of the "Writing 69th," a group of intrepid reporters that accompanied Allied bombers on missions over Germany."
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You Teabaggers need to quit relying (so heavily) on those Texas Approved History text-books.
This is Walter Cronkite calling Tet for the NVA.
Unlike you (and, The CHICKENHAWKS).....Cronkite had (actually) BEEN THERE!!!!
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Report from Vietnam (1968) - YouTube
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Vietnam War with Walter Cronkite - Tet Offensive part 1 - YouTube
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You Teabaggers need to quit relying (so heavily) on those Texas Approved History text-books.
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This is Walter Cronkite calling Tet for the NVA.Yeah, Skippy.......that's what happened.......
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Nah, I think her frothing at the mouth insanity has led her off the reservation.So, judging from TPS's thread, is the t-party, as a whole, in favor of outrageously expensive, both in lives & treasure, long & drawn- out, foreign occupations?
This is Walter Cronkite calling Tet for the NVA.Yeah, Skippy.......that's what happened.......
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Thank you for proving my point.
We defeated their Army but Cronkite called it for our enemy.
I'm sure there are many people besides me who wish that Ernie Pyle and Cronkite would have traded places.
Again, we inflicted on of the great military asskickings on an enemy in the history of warfare and the LMSM called it for the enemy
Cronkite said so himself, I hope he's having fun sucking Satans balls
That's lunacy.
What I want to see is responsible policy in terms of dealing with the world at large. We shouldn't be in the business of knocking over government we don't like because our businesses see a bright future in exploiting the resources of others or being involved in perpetual war.
It's really high time to stop this nonsense. It's costly and in the long run it really hurts our nation.
Yeah, we did that in the 30s and watched Europe go to hell in a handbasket.
The policy was called isolationism.
Remember the result?
You're amazing.
At this point there's no point in discussing this with you until you read a real live history book.
You really have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
And haven't had a clue in over a decade. I've seen you on other boards as well..almost rehashing the same exact points. Each time you get a history lesson and each time you ignore them.
Please. Pick up a book.
