Antifa vs Proud Boys Brawl In Portland (AGAIN)

You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it





No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.
You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it





No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.


It's not just left right - there is also a authority, you are looking at only one aspect defining left/right and it's not the only aspect. I see this as a more accurate representation (one of many).

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That graph is DUMB. By that graph, guys like Stalin, Jung-un, Castro, etc. are only moderately to the left. That is false. They were/are extreme left.

They weren't extreme left - they were extreme authoritarian. Extreme left would have been a socialist collective. Stalin's USSR empowered Stalin, not the people.

Yes Coyote so when the Left
gives ALL authority to Govt to make laws without Constitutional limits checks or balances, this means giving power to people like Stalin, Obama, etc. who mandate their PARTY beliefs through Govt instead of respecting Constitutional rights, representation and due process of citizens.
 
I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it





No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.
I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it





No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.


It's not just left right - there is also a authority, you are looking at only one aspect defining left/right and it's not the only aspect. I see this as a more accurate representation (one of many).

View attachment 259401


That graph is DUMB. By that graph, guys like Stalin, Jung-un, Castro, etc. are only moderately to the left. That is false. They were/are extreme left.

They weren't extreme left - they were extreme authoritarian. Extreme left would have been a socialist collective. Stalin's USSR empowered Stalin, not the people.

Yes Coyote so when the Left
gives ALL authority to Govt to make laws without Constitutional limits checks or balances, this means giving power to people like Stalin, Obama, etc. who mandate their PARTY beliefs through Govt instead of respecting Constitutional rights, representation and due process of citizens.
You are putting Stalin and Obama in the same category? :cuckoo:
 
No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.
No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.


It's not just left right - there is also a authority, you are looking at only one aspect defining left/right and it's not the only aspect. I see this as a more accurate representation (one of many).

View attachment 259401


That graph is DUMB. By that graph, guys like Stalin, Jung-un, Castro, etc. are only moderately to the left. That is false. They were/are extreme left.

They weren't extreme left - they were extreme authoritarian. Extreme left would have been a socialist collective. Stalin's USSR empowered Stalin, not the people.

Yes Coyote so when the Left
gives ALL authority to Govt to make laws without Constitutional limits checks or balances, this means giving power to people like Stalin, Obama, etc. who mandate their PARTY beliefs through Govt instead of respecting Constitutional rights, representation and due process of citizens.
You are putting Stalin and Obama in the same category? :cuckoo:

No. Coyote You KNOW that's not
what I said at all. Don't be ridiculous.

Although Constitutional violations of oath of office and ethics
are NOT "in the same category"
as genocidal crimes against humanity.
BOTH ARE CAUSED by unchecked abuses of power.
Both ARE caused by giving up UNCHECKED authority

to people who don't respect DUE PROCESS rights of others
but mandate penalties, policies and costs without their consent.

Stealing someone's car vs. raping or murdering them
are TWO TOTALLY different crimes,
yet both involved FORCED VIOLATION of their consent.

The SAME principle covers all cases of
NOT DEPRIVING people of LIFE, LIBERTY or PROPERTY
without DUE PROCESS OF LAWS.


Political abuses caused by the SAME LACK of checks and
respect for laws TAKE ANY NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FORMS.

Are you trying to deflect and circumvent Coyote?

Or are you really not able to distinguish
A. how the principle of DUE PROCESS of laws would prevent
abuse of authority in BOTH cases
B. WHILE THEY ARE STILL TOTALLY DIFFERENT DEGREES of abuse
by imposing political beliefs to violate the rights of others?

Can you make this distinction or not?
 
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Proud Boys are at it again. They are a disgrace.

ANTIFA is a disgrace and a bunch of useless animals.


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The proud boys always instigate. They are crazy right wing nuts. Tramp loves it, he seeks to divide, exactly what Putin wants.


Antifa is not there for peaceful assembly. They are not there to talk. They are not there to hold public discourse. They are not there to express Ideas of Anti- facism.... but quite the opposite.They have already shown they are violent and disruptive to society and children past their prime and time of excuses. When they assemble they need to be immediately arrested and charged and punished. It's not a freedom of speech issue, We don't need gangs on our streets impeding the life of ordinary citizens. They serve no purpose, so when they go away, the Proud boys will also go away as they were a reaction to ANTIFA.
 
No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.
No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.


It's not just left right - there is also a authority, you are looking at only one aspect defining left/right and it's not the only aspect. I see this as a more accurate representation (one of many).

View attachment 259401


That graph is DUMB. By that graph, guys like Stalin, Jung-un, Castro, etc. are only moderately to the left. That is false. They were/are extreme left.

They weren't extreme left - they were extreme authoritarian. Extreme left would have been a socialist collective. Stalin's USSR empowered Stalin, not the people.

Yes Coyote so when the Left
gives ALL authority to Govt to make laws without Constitutional limits checks or balances, this means giving power to people like Stalin, Obama, etc. who mandate their PARTY beliefs through Govt instead of respecting Constitutional rights, representation and due process of citizens.
You are putting Stalin and Obama in the same category? :cuckoo:

Stalin was effective. That's a difference.

Greg
 

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