Ante up anti gunners...what will you allow for normal gun owners, what do you want?

[oldsoul]

The problem with guns here, is the culture behind it. I was listening to an interview with a Norwegian on their gun culture.

Like Americans, many Norwegians own guns. But according to Seierstad, the culture of gun ownership is very different in the two countries. In Norway, for example, it's uncommon to see guns outside organized settings like gun clubs or during hunting season.


“Yes, there’s a high percentage of gun ownership in Norway," she says, "but those guns are used mainly one week in the year during the hunting of elk season ... the rest of the year it’s locked down and stored.”


Even US and Norwegian law enforcement have different approaches to firearms.


“The police has not been armed in Norway,” Seierstad says. “People in the US could say, ‘Well, isn’t that scary?’ Well when the police is not armed, the drug dealer is not armed, the criminals are not armed, because no one is armed.”

After Orlando, Americans and US lawmakers are arguing over whether to strengthen (or even weaken) gun regulations. But after the attacks in Oslo and Utoya, Norwegian law didn't change.


The Norwegian government did set up a committee that proposed tighter gun laws — including mandatory medical background checks, regular checks on weapon owners and better lists accounting for guns with lead ammunition — but none of these proposals went into effect.


Why? The reason was pretty simple.

“We had quite restrictive laws,” Seierstad explains. "We have very very few gun accidents and gun murders.”​

You don't see testosterone impaired idiots walking around like this:

In my mind common sense gun control would look at changing the culture as much as changing any laws. I'd have no problem with some sort of education course in safe use, legal issues etc before you can purchase gun. I'd also have no problem with having certain types of weapons banned, and the purchase of large amounts of weapons and ammunition causing a red flag to be raised. Universal background checks.

I understand where you are coming from, but ask yourself this: How likely is it that someone is going to rob any of those guys in your picture? Pretty low right? That would be kinda stupid if you ask me. Now, what if the vast majority of people in the US where concealed carriers? How long do you think it would take before criminals would change, if chances were pretty good that granny was "packin' heat"?

All the pro-gun arguments are based on Charlie Bronson films.

All the pro-responsible gun control arguments are based on facts.

Really? how many criminals have been stopped by your beloved gun laws? Huh? How many? I got news for ya, criminals, by definition, don't give a #$*! about your gun laws.

You want me to give you a tally of the people who DIDN'T shoot someone? Really?

No, what I want is for you to stop and THINK. If only criminals have guns, how safe will YOU feel going outside?

 

[Al Azar]

I understand where you are coming from, but ask yourself this: How likely is it that someone is going to rob any of those guys in your picture? Pretty low right? That would be kinda stupid if you ask me. Now, what if the vast majority of people in the US where concealed carriers? How long do you think it would take before criminals would change, if chances were pretty good that granny was "packin' heat"?

All the pro-gun arguments are based on Charlie Bronson films.

All the pro-responsible gun control arguments are based on facts.

Yet you mock responsible gun control.

Define it then.

??? I just did. Our regulation of machine guns is very effective. Expand it to include all firearms. No law-abiding citizen would be adversely affected.

Except that only criminals would be armed to the teeth. What kind of fantasy world do you live in where criminals obey laws? See, that's the fundamental flaw in your thinking. Criminals, by definition, do not obey laws. No gun law ever has, nor ever will, stop a criminal from committing a crime. If a criminal wants my wallet, on the other hand, he will have to kill me to get it. See the difference? You want to prosecute him for taking my wallet, I want to stop him from taking it.

Criminals don't obey laws? You think that life in prison for illegal possession of a machine gun isn't effective? How many crimes are being committed by criminals wielding machine guns do we suffer every day?

Or ever?

Save your bumper sticker responses.

 

[GaryDog]

The problem with guns here, is the culture behind it. I was listening to an interview with a Norwegian on their gun culture.

Like Americans, many Norwegians own guns. But according to Seierstad, the culture of gun ownership is very different in the two countries. In Norway, for example, it's uncommon to see guns outside organized settings like gun clubs or during hunting season.


“Yes, there’s a high percentage of gun ownership in Norway," she says, "but those guns are used mainly one week in the year during the hunting of elk season ... the rest of the year it’s locked down and stored.”


Even US and Norwegian law enforcement have different approaches to firearms.


“The police has not been armed in Norway,” Seierstad says. “People in the US could say, ‘Well, isn’t that scary?’ Well when the police is not armed, the drug dealer is not armed, the criminals are not armed, because no one is armed.”

After Orlando, Americans and US lawmakers are arguing over whether to strengthen (or even weaken) gun regulations. But after the attacks in Oslo and Utoya, Norwegian law didn't change.


The Norwegian government did set up a committee that proposed tighter gun laws — including mandatory medical background checks, regular checks on weapon owners and better lists accounting for guns with lead ammunition — but none of these proposals went into effect.


Why? The reason was pretty simple.

“We had quite restrictive laws,” Seierstad explains. "We have very very few gun accidents and gun murders.”​

You don't see testosterone impaired idiots walking around like this:

In my mind common sense gun control would look at changing the culture as much as changing any laws. I'd have no problem with some sort of education course in safe use, legal issues etc before you can purchase gun. I'd also have no problem with having certain types of weapons banned, and the purchase of large amounts of weapons and ammunition causing a red flag to be raised. Universal background checks.

I understand where you are coming from, but ask yourself this: How likely is it that someone is going to rob any of those guys in your picture? Pretty low right? That would be kinda stupid if you ask me. Now, what if the vast majority of people in the US where concealed carriers? How long do you think it would take before criminals would change, if chances were pretty good that granny was "packin' heat"?

All the pro-gun arguments are based on Charlie Bronson films.

All the pro-responsible gun control arguments are based on facts.

Really? how many criminals have been stopped by your beloved gun laws? Huh? How many? I got news for ya, criminals, by definition, don't give a #$*! about your gun laws.

You want me to give you a tally of the people who DIDN'T shoot someone? Really?

No, what I want is for you to stop and THINK. If only criminals have guns, how safe will YOU feel going outside?

If our society was less gun-crazy, we'd all be safer. Period. Under no scenario of gun control that any liberal I know has proposed would "only criminals have guns."

STFU with that stupid false narrative.

 

[GaryDog]

All the pro-gun arguments are based on Charlie Bronson films.

All the pro-responsible gun control arguments are based on facts.

Yet you mock responsible gun control.

Define it then.

??? I just did. Our regulation of machine guns is very effective. Expand it to include all firearms. No law-abiding citizen would be adversely affected.

Except that only criminals would be armed to the teeth. What kind of fantasy world do you live in where criminals obey laws? See, that's the fundamental flaw in your thinking. Criminals, by definition, do not obey laws. No gun law ever has, nor ever will, stop a criminal from committing a crime. If a criminal wants my wallet, on the other hand, he will have to kill me to get it. See the difference? You want to prosecute him for taking my wallet, I want to stop him from taking it.

Criminals don't obey laws? You think that life in prison for illegal possession of a machine gun isn't effective? How many crimes are being committed by criminals wielding machine guns do we suffer every day?

Or ever?

Save your bumper sticker responses.

Seriously, that's all they have. Platitutdes. Rhyming devices. Meanwhile, the research and the facts are on the side of those who promote responsible, common-sense gun control.

 

[Al Azar]

Yet you mock responsible gun control.

Define it then.

??? I just did. Our regulation of machine guns is very effective. Expand it to include all firearms. No law-abiding citizen would be adversely affected.

Except that only criminals would be armed to the teeth. What kind of fantasy world do you live in where criminals obey laws? See, that's the fundamental flaw in your thinking. Criminals, by definition, do not obey laws. No gun law ever has, nor ever will, stop a criminal from committing a crime. If a criminal wants my wallet, on the other hand, he will have to kill me to get it. See the difference? You want to prosecute him for taking my wallet, I want to stop him from taking it.

Criminals don't obey laws? You think that life in prison for illegal possession of a machine gun isn't effective? How many crimes are being committed by criminals wielding machine guns do we suffer every day?

Or ever?

Save your bumper sticker responses.

Seriously, that's all they have. Platitutdes. Rhyming devices. Meanwhile, the research and the facts are on the side of those who promote responsible, common-sense gun control.

I may have responded inappropriately to a post of yours earlier. I'm unfamiliar with this forum's format. Sorry.

In any case, the for-profit gun lobby has successfully initiated an arms race in this country. It's created a problem and then stepped up to "solve" it by exacerbating the problem. We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Score one for entrepreneurship the price of public safety.

 

[Auld Phart]

Define it then.

??? I just did. Our regulation of machine guns is very effective. Expand it to include all firearms. No law-abiding citizen would be adversely affected.

Except that only criminals would be armed to the teeth. What kind of fantasy world do you live in where criminals obey laws? See, that's the fundamental flaw in your thinking. Criminals, by definition, do not obey laws. No gun law ever has, nor ever will, stop a criminal from committing a crime. If a criminal wants my wallet, on the other hand, he will have to kill me to get it. See the difference? You want to prosecute him for taking my wallet, I want to stop him from taking it.

Criminals don't obey laws? You think that life in prison for illegal possession of a machine gun isn't effective? How many crimes are being committed by criminals wielding machine guns do we suffer every day?

Or ever?

Save your bumper sticker responses.

Seriously, that's all they have. Platitutdes. Rhyming devices. Meanwhile, the research and the facts are on the side of those who promote responsible, common-sense gun control.

I may have responded inappropriately to a post of yours earlier. I'm unfamiliar with this forum's format. Sorry.

In any case, the for-profit gun lobby has successfully initiated an arms race in this country. It's created a problem and then stepped up to "solve" it by exacerbating the problem. We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Score one for entrepreneurship the price of public safety.

We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Hey, if you get in trouble, you can always call a cop

 

[GaryDog]

??? I just did. Our regulation of machine guns is very effective. Expand it to include all firearms. No law-abiding citizen would be adversely affected.

Except that only criminals would be armed to the teeth. What kind of fantasy world do you live in where criminals obey laws? See, that's the fundamental flaw in your thinking. Criminals, by definition, do not obey laws. No gun law ever has, nor ever will, stop a criminal from committing a crime. If a criminal wants my wallet, on the other hand, he will have to kill me to get it. See the difference? You want to prosecute him for taking my wallet, I want to stop him from taking it.

Criminals don't obey laws? You think that life in prison for illegal possession of a machine gun isn't effective? How many crimes are being committed by criminals wielding machine guns do we suffer every day?

Or ever?

Save your bumper sticker responses.

Seriously, that's all they have. Platitutdes. Rhyming devices. Meanwhile, the research and the facts are on the side of those who promote responsible, common-sense gun control.

I may have responded inappropriately to a post of yours earlier. I'm unfamiliar with this forum's format. Sorry.

In any case, the for-profit gun lobby has successfully initiated an arms race in this country. It's created a problem and then stepped up to "solve" it by exacerbating the problem. We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Score one for entrepreneurship the price of public safety.

We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Hey, if you get in trouble, you can always call a cop

I don't call cops OR carry guns. Believe it or not, some of us go through life making the kinds of choices that don't put us in need of insane amounts of firepower. You should try it.

 

[Al Azar]

??? I just did. Our regulation of machine guns is very effective. Expand it to include all firearms. No law-abiding citizen would be adversely affected.

Except that only criminals would be armed to the teeth. What kind of fantasy world do you live in where criminals obey laws? See, that's the fundamental flaw in your thinking. Criminals, by definition, do not obey laws. No gun law ever has, nor ever will, stop a criminal from committing a crime. If a criminal wants my wallet, on the other hand, he will have to kill me to get it. See the difference? You want to prosecute him for taking my wallet, I want to stop him from taking it.

Criminals don't obey laws? You think that life in prison for illegal possession of a machine gun isn't effective? How many crimes are being committed by criminals wielding machine guns do we suffer every day?

Or ever?

Save your bumper sticker responses.

Seriously, that's all they have. Platitutdes. Rhyming devices. Meanwhile, the research and the facts are on the side of those who promote responsible, common-sense gun control.

I may have responded inappropriately to a post of yours earlier. I'm unfamiliar with this forum's format. Sorry.

In any case, the for-profit gun lobby has successfully initiated an arms race in this country. It's created a problem and then stepped up to "solve" it by exacerbating the problem. We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Score one for entrepreneurship the price of public safety.

We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Hey, if you get in trouble, you can always call a cop

Ah, yes, the good old days when calling a cop was sufficient. Back when a juvenile delinquent who wanted to be a tough guy had to fabricate his compensator out of a car antenna shaft, rubber band and a nail. Today he just goes to the corner of the playground and buys a Glock.

Thanks, NRA.

 

[Auld Phart]

Except that only criminals would be armed to the teeth. What kind of fantasy world do you live in where criminals obey laws? See, that's the fundamental flaw in your thinking. Criminals, by definition, do not obey laws. No gun law ever has, nor ever will, stop a criminal from committing a crime. If a criminal wants my wallet, on the other hand, he will have to kill me to get it. See the difference? You want to prosecute him for taking my wallet, I want to stop him from taking it.

Criminals don't obey laws? You think that life in prison for illegal possession of a machine gun isn't effective? How many crimes are being committed by criminals wielding machine guns do we suffer every day?

Or ever?

Save your bumper sticker responses.

Seriously, that's all they have. Platitutdes. Rhyming devices. Meanwhile, the research and the facts are on the side of those who promote responsible, common-sense gun control.

I may have responded inappropriately to a post of yours earlier. I'm unfamiliar with this forum's format. Sorry.

In any case, the for-profit gun lobby has successfully initiated an arms race in this country. It's created a problem and then stepped up to "solve" it by exacerbating the problem. We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Score one for entrepreneurship the price of public safety.

We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Hey, if you get in trouble, you can always call a cop

I don't call cops OR carry guns. Believe it or not, some of us go through life making the kinds of choices that don't put us in need of insane amounts of firepower. You should try it.

I live in a house, not a closet.

and there are people in my past that prevent me feeling completely secure.

(Working as a prison guard has a tendency to make you defensive)

 

[Auld Phart]

Except that only criminals would be armed to the teeth. What kind of fantasy world do you live in where criminals obey laws? See, that's the fundamental flaw in your thinking. Criminals, by definition, do not obey laws. No gun law ever has, nor ever will, stop a criminal from committing a crime. If a criminal wants my wallet, on the other hand, he will have to kill me to get it. See the difference? You want to prosecute him for taking my wallet, I want to stop him from taking it.

Criminals don't obey laws? You think that life in prison for illegal possession of a machine gun isn't effective? How many crimes are being committed by criminals wielding machine guns do we suffer every day?

Or ever?

Save your bumper sticker responses.

Seriously, that's all they have. Platitutdes. Rhyming devices. Meanwhile, the research and the facts are on the side of those who promote responsible, common-sense gun control.

I may have responded inappropriately to a post of yours earlier. I'm unfamiliar with this forum's format. Sorry.

In any case, the for-profit gun lobby has successfully initiated an arms race in this country. It's created a problem and then stepped up to "solve" it by exacerbating the problem. We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Score one for entrepreneurship the price of public safety.

We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Hey, if you get in trouble, you can always call a cop

Ah, yes, the good old days when calling a cop was sufficient. Back when a juvenile delinquent who wanted to be a tough guy had to fabricate his compensator out of a car antenna shaft, rubber band and a nail. Today he just goes to the corner of the playground and buys a Glock.

Thanks, NRA.

NRA is selling guns at playgrounds?

 

[Al Azar]

Criminals don't obey laws? You think that life in prison for illegal possession of a machine gun isn't effective? How many crimes are being committed by criminals wielding machine guns do we suffer every day?

Or ever?

Save your bumper sticker responses.

Seriously, that's all they have. Platitutdes. Rhyming devices. Meanwhile, the research and the facts are on the side of those who promote responsible, common-sense gun control.

I may have responded inappropriately to a post of yours earlier. I'm unfamiliar with this forum's format. Sorry.

In any case, the for-profit gun lobby has successfully initiated an arms race in this country. It's created a problem and then stepped up to "solve" it by exacerbating the problem. We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Score one for entrepreneurship the price of public safety.

We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Hey, if you get in trouble, you can always call a cop

I don't call cops OR carry guns. Believe it or not, some of us go through life making the kinds of choices that don't put us in need of insane amounts of firepower. You should try it.

I live in a house, not a closet.

and there are people in my past that prevent me feeling completely secure.

(Working as a prison guard has a tendency to make you defensive)

Law enforcement is a high risk occupation. No reason to extrapolate fears of your own creation onto the population at large. Nothing suggested here would prevent you from acquiring any weapon you need to make yourself feel safer while milling about in our midst.

 

[Al Azar]

Criminals don't obey laws? You think that life in prison for illegal possession of a machine gun isn't effective? How many crimes are being committed by criminals wielding machine guns do we suffer every day?

Or ever?

Save your bumper sticker responses.

Seriously, that's all they have. Platitutdes. Rhyming devices. Meanwhile, the research and the facts are on the side of those who promote responsible, common-sense gun control.

I may have responded inappropriately to a post of yours earlier. I'm unfamiliar with this forum's format. Sorry.

In any case, the for-profit gun lobby has successfully initiated an arms race in this country. It's created a problem and then stepped up to "solve" it by exacerbating the problem. We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Score one for entrepreneurship the price of public safety.

We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Hey, if you get in trouble, you can always call a cop

Ah, yes, the good old days when calling a cop was sufficient. Back when a juvenile delinquent who wanted to be a tough guy had to fabricate his compensator out of a car antenna shaft, rubber band and a nail. Today he just goes to the corner of the playground and buys a Glock.

Thanks, NRA.

NRA is selling guns at playgrounds?

I'll indulge your wisecrack this one time. The lobbying efforts of the NRA is responsible for arms proliferation in this country and their ready availability.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

All the pro-gun arguments are based on Charlie Bronson films.

All the pro-responsible gun control arguments are based on facts.

Yet you mock responsible gun control.

Define it then.

??? I just did. Our regulation of machine guns is very effective. Expand it to include all firearms. No law-abiding citizen would be adversely affected.

Except that only criminals would be armed to the teeth. What kind of fantasy world do you live in where criminals obey laws? See, that's the fundamental flaw in your thinking. Criminals, by definition, do not obey laws. No gun law ever has, nor ever will, stop a criminal from committing a crime. If a criminal wants my wallet, on the other hand, he will have to kill me to get it. See the difference? You want to prosecute him for taking my wallet, I want to stop him from taking it.

Criminals don't obey laws? You think that life in prison for illegal possession of a machine gun isn't effective? How many crimes are being committed by criminals wielding machine guns do we suffer every day?

Or ever?

Save your bumper sticker responses.

How about we jail those actually committing crimes with firearms for around 25 years if used in a robbery, fifty years if you discharge the weapon during said robbery and get your affairs in order if you kill someone in a robbery?
That way we actually punish the ones committing the crimes and not the law abiding.

 

[Auld Phart]

Seriously, that's all they have. Platitutdes. Rhyming devices. Meanwhile, the research and the facts are on the side of those who promote responsible, common-sense gun control.

I may have responded inappropriately to a post of yours earlier. I'm unfamiliar with this forum's format. Sorry.

In any case, the for-profit gun lobby has successfully initiated an arms race in this country. It's created a problem and then stepped up to "solve" it by exacerbating the problem. We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Score one for entrepreneurship the price of public safety.

We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Hey, if you get in trouble, you can always call a cop

Ah, yes, the good old days when calling a cop was sufficient. Back when a juvenile delinquent who wanted to be a tough guy had to fabricate his compensator out of a car antenna shaft, rubber band and a nail. Today he just goes to the corner of the playground and buys a Glock.

Thanks, NRA.

NRA is selling guns at playgrounds?

I'll indulge your wisecrack this one time. The lobbying efforts of the NRA is responsible for arms proliferation in this country and their ready availability.

If you don't like wisecracks, you might as well put me on ignore now, I use a lot of them.

Where did you get the impression that the NRA is behind the proliferation of firearms in this country?

What do they promote, in your opinion, that causes this?

 

[Al Azar]

Yet you mock responsible gun control.

Define it then.

??? I just did. Our regulation of machine guns is very effective. Expand it to include all firearms. No law-abiding citizen would be adversely affected.

Except that only criminals would be armed to the teeth. What kind of fantasy world do you live in where criminals obey laws? See, that's the fundamental flaw in your thinking. Criminals, by definition, do not obey laws. No gun law ever has, nor ever will, stop a criminal from committing a crime. If a criminal wants my wallet, on the other hand, he will have to kill me to get it. See the difference? You want to prosecute him for taking my wallet, I want to stop him from taking it.

Criminals don't obey laws? You think that life in prison for illegal possession of a machine gun isn't effective? How many crimes are being committed by criminals wielding machine guns do we suffer every day?

Or ever?

Save your bumper sticker responses.

How about we jail those actually committing crimes with firearms for around 25 years if used in a robbery, fifty years if you discharge the weapon during said robbery and get your affairs in order if you kill someone in a robbery?
That way we actually punish the ones committing the crimes and not the law abiding.

Certainly nothing wrong with that approach. But we're not doing that either.

We're not doing anything to address this problem because of the influence of those who won't abide any new efforts to control the acquisition and use of firearms.

 

[Al Azar]

I may have responded inappropriately to a post of yours earlier. I'm unfamiliar with this forum's format. Sorry.

In any case, the for-profit gun lobby has successfully initiated an arms race in this country. It's created a problem and then stepped up to "solve" it by exacerbating the problem. We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Score one for entrepreneurship the price of public safety.

We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Hey, if you get in trouble, you can always call a cop

Ah, yes, the good old days when calling a cop was sufficient. Back when a juvenile delinquent who wanted to be a tough guy had to fabricate his compensator out of a car antenna shaft, rubber band and a nail. Today he just goes to the corner of the playground and buys a Glock.

Thanks, NRA.

NRA is selling guns at playgrounds?

I'll indulge your wisecrack this one time. The lobbying efforts of the NRA is responsible for arms proliferation in this country and their ready availability.

If you don't like wisecracks, you might as well put me on ignore now, I use a lot of them.

Where did you get the impression that the NRA is behind the proliferation of firearms in this country?

What do they promote, in your opinion, that causes this?

You're serious? The NRA blocks every effort to keep firearms out of the hands of high-risk individuals. The more guns they can put in anyone's hands, the more everyone else feels they need protection from everyone else.

What a racket.

 

[Auld Phart]

They block efforts that would affect law abiding citizens as well as criminals.

Find me a link that shows them approving of straw purchases, felons or criminals owning firearms, back street sales, etc

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Define it then.

??? I just did. Our regulation of machine guns is very effective. Expand it to include all firearms. No law-abiding citizen would be adversely affected.

Except that only criminals would be armed to the teeth. What kind of fantasy world do you live in where criminals obey laws? See, that's the fundamental flaw in your thinking. Criminals, by definition, do not obey laws. No gun law ever has, nor ever will, stop a criminal from committing a crime. If a criminal wants my wallet, on the other hand, he will have to kill me to get it. See the difference? You want to prosecute him for taking my wallet, I want to stop him from taking it.

Criminals don't obey laws? You think that life in prison for illegal possession of a machine gun isn't effective? How many crimes are being committed by criminals wielding machine guns do we suffer every day?

Or ever?

Save your bumper sticker responses.

How about we jail those actually committing crimes with firearms for around 25 years if used in a robbery, fifty years if you discharge the weapon during said robbery and get your affairs in order if you kill someone in a robbery?
That way we actually punish the ones committing the crimes and not the law abiding.

Certainly nothing wrong with that approach. But we're not doing that either.

We're not doing anything to address this problem because of the influence of those who won't abide any new efforts to control the acquisition and use of firearms.

Nothing else would be needed if we locked up criminals who use firearms for long sentences.
The statistics show it's a small percentage of the population that commit crimes over and over again.
Stop letting em out of prison and we'd see a dramatic drop in firearm related crime.

 

[GaryDog]

Criminals don't obey laws? You think that life in prison for illegal possession of a machine gun isn't effective? How many crimes are being committed by criminals wielding machine guns do we suffer every day?

Or ever?

Save your bumper sticker responses.

Seriously, that's all they have. Platitutdes. Rhyming devices. Meanwhile, the research and the facts are on the side of those who promote responsible, common-sense gun control.

I may have responded inappropriately to a post of yours earlier. I'm unfamiliar with this forum's format. Sorry.

In any case, the for-profit gun lobby has successfully initiated an arms race in this country. It's created a problem and then stepped up to "solve" it by exacerbating the problem. We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Score one for entrepreneurship the price of public safety.

We're left in the position of either getting on board or being left relatively defenseless.

Hey, if you get in trouble, you can always call a cop

Ah, yes, the good old days when calling a cop was sufficient. Back when a juvenile delinquent who wanted to be a tough guy had to fabricate his compensator out of a car antenna shaft, rubber band and a nail. Today he just goes to the corner of the playground and buys a Glock.

Thanks, NRA.

NRA is selling guns at playgrounds?

There's only so many hours in a day, but I'm sure they'll get there. Lord knows they're trying.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Hey, if you get in trouble, you can always call a cop

Ah, yes, the good old days when calling a cop was sufficient. Back when a juvenile delinquent who wanted to be a tough guy had to fabricate his compensator out of a car antenna shaft, rubber band and a nail. Today he just goes to the corner of the playground and buys a Glock.

Thanks, NRA.

NRA is selling guns at playgrounds?

I'll indulge your wisecrack this one time. The lobbying efforts of the NRA is responsible for arms proliferation in this country and their ready availability.

If you don't like wisecracks, you might as well put me on ignore now, I use a lot of them.

Where did you get the impression that the NRA is behind the proliferation of firearms in this country?

What do they promote, in your opinion, that causes this?

You're serious? The NRA blocks every effort to keep firearms out of the hands of high-risk individuals. The more guns they can put in anyone's hands, the more everyone else feels they need protection from everyone else.

What a racket.

No,the racket is liberals and their soft on crime approach because it happens to be minorities doing most of the killing.
The vast majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens.