PLYMCO_PILGRIM
Gold Member
The problem is that most people really dont' care about discussion - at least from what I've observed. Many have already made up their minds before the facts (I mean FACTS) were presented to them ... and they don't seem like they want to learn the facts, they just want to scream at the top of their lungs: "Socialist!" or "Anti-Obama!" I've been trying to stay out of the conversation because it seems just a big cluster-fuck by now and the truth also is... I don't have a stake in it, I don't live in the USA anymore. I just wish I could find more facts and less bullshit - especially the ideological partisan kind (which is the least helpful).
I've made a few threads with actual language from the bill as the OP to start a discussion. And like you just said it devolves quickly into an uniformed talking point war.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...ti-hr-3200-government-run-care-sound-off.html
http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...-of-life-council-euthenasia-talk-origins.html
http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...e/84914-pilgrims-hr-3200-must-read-pages.html (if any moderators are around i cant edit the OP and the part i put in big red letters ended up not being accurate after a few of us were discussing the language).