'Angel Parents' of Americans killed by illegals take issue with Chuck/Nancy's 'Manufactured Crisis'

[H B Lowrie]

"Several "Angel parents" -- the mothers and fathers of U.S. citizens killed by illegal immigrants -- are accusing top Democrats of being out of touch with “regular America” after they claimed President Trump is “manufacturing a crisis” at the border to win support for the construction of his long-promised wall.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Ca., used the 'manufacturing' language Tuesday night during their tag-team rebuttal to Trump’s Oval Office address -- his first ever -- on border security. The Democratic duo argued the president was merely trying to strike fear into the hearts of Americans in an attempt to get his central campaign promise across the finish line. But that spin didn't sit well with those who've lost loved ones due to illegal immigration.

“I’m just wondering if Nancy Pelosi had one of her children or grandchildren assaulted in the same way that my son was assassinated if she would speak the same way. I just wonder about that,” Jeffrey Mazin, the father of Alexander Mazin.

Alexander Mazin, 27, was shot and killed at a gym parking lot in San Diego in February last year. The suspected shooter, Ernesto Castellanos Martinez, is reported to be the ex-boyfriend of the woman Mazin had recently started dating. Martinez, investigators say, is also a twice-deported illegal immigrant who has since fled to Mexico.

“It may seem 'manufactured' to them because they are sitting safely behind walls, but for those of us out in regular America, we are victims, we are prone to the victimization of illegal aliens and crime”


Chucky and Nancy believe this is all a Trump 'Manufactured Crisis', leading some 'Angel Parents' to believe the two are 'Out of Touch' with America? I think there's another reason, and I have a suggestion for Schumer and Pelosi that will help them change their perception about what's going on:



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Families of Americans killed by illegal immigrants take issue with claim Trump is ‘manufacturing a crisis’

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All parents of children who die before their parents are "angel parents". For fools like you, the parents of children who are killed by immigrants endure more suffering than the parents of the children who died at Sandy Hook, or Parkland, because Trump isn't going on TV talking about all they endured because angry white men with guns can shoot them in their schools.

Why are the only angel parents who matter to Donald Trump, are the parents of those killed by immigrants. Of all of the "angel parents", there are more angel parents from the victims of mass shooters than there are from illegal immigrants. Why don't you care about the angel parents of those killed by the opioid epdiemic, or school shootings, or American gang violence?

Why don't all of the angel parents matter?

Because america was founded upon violence; it is as american as apple pie, baseball, ethnic cleansing/removal and whatever else is necessary for the eurocentric colonization of peoples to continue in the pursuit of wealth extraction, concentration and redistribution.

 

[easyt65]

You're fucking with the heads of the Russian posters who can't comprehend your posts because of your syntax and language us.

By your obsession with 'Russians', by your comment and constantly referring to anyone who does not agree with you as a 'Comrade', I can tell that you are secretly hiding the shame and anger of having been one of the snowflakes the real Russian counter-Intelligence Agents using social media duped into organizing and marching for them. Now you are lashing out at everyone else, accusing them of what you were embarrassingly tricked into doing. You poor thing - how many times did you march for them before you found out you were being duped?

I know it must hurt, but you have to let it go.

 

[easyt65]

'WE ARE VICTIMS'

'Angel' families of victims of illegal immigrants blast claims Trump 'manufacturing'


RUH-ROH......Chucky and Nancy are catching flack for their insensitive, not well-thought-out 'attack' on Trump that caused unexpected 'collateral damage'.

 

[WillowTree]

Why

I am sure that Police officer Corporal Singh's widow and little girl, that Julie Golvach - whose son Spencer was murdered by an illegal, and Jeff Mazin - father of Alex Mazi who was murdered by an illegal - are all truly impressed at how Democrats keep pointing to the fact that illegal border crossings have decreased while using that as a justification to NOT do everything they can to secure our borders and protect Americans, like the children these parents needlessly lost.

These parents, and many more across the country who have had loved ones murdered / victimized by illegals, know Schumer and Pelosi knowingly LIED to the American people last night when they declared the murders of their family members and everything else going on is a 'Manufactured Crisis' by the President.


Families of Americans killed by illegal immigrants take issue with claim Trump is ‘manufacturing a crisis’

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The corporate state media machine foments fear in america, I know, started post Bacon's Rebellion this mindfuck division of the masses, works on many too, even still.

I am not afraid of the immigrants the Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class has always made sure were here for them to exploit, why that's how you and I - all of us really - got off with all our cheap stuff. We didn't want to pay fellow americans, woulda cost us more.

Human beings are not "illegal", america is dysfunctional.

1st you attempted to justify Democrats not building a wall because fewer illegals (and MS13 members, cop killers, etc...) are coming across the border.

I responded by saying fewer illegal crossings does not justify not doing all that can be done to stop illegal immigration - and the murders and crimes against Americans.

Now you respond to my post with this....'fart-cloud' of rambling thoughts about corporate America, and America's desire for free crap from China and Mexico....followed by your claim that a foreigner who enters this country by breaking our laws is NOT a criminal / 'illegal'?!

Bwuhahahaha....

Makes you realize he is not at all worth responding to.

Why is it that partisanshitheads insist that all buy into their perception of reality? If you need to hear what you need to hear, that's what your corporate state media machine is for. Seek your solace there.

You're fucking with the heads of the Russian posters who can't comprehend your posts because of your syntax and language us. Good on you!

Keep your asshole Canadian opinions in Canada.

 

[Dragonlady]

All parents of children who die before their parents are "angel parents".

Diversion.

Why are the only angel parents who matter to Donald Trump, are the parents of those killed by immigrants?

False Narrative - no one said that.

You're the one pushing a false narrative. That Americans face more danger from illegal immigrants and from anyother other class of resident. The facts simply do NOT back up these claims. Illegal immigrants commit far fewer violent crimes than American born residents. Areas with high numbers of illegal immigrants have LOWER crime rates than other neighbourhoods.

Mollie Tibbetts' death is being used to push debunked ideas about illegal immigration and violent crime

Immigration and Crime - Oxford Research Encyclopedia of Criminology

https://www.cato.org/blog/murder-mollie-tibbetts-illegal-immigrant-crime-facts

 

[easyt65]

Keep your asshole Canadian opinions in Canada.

You forgot to add 'ay' at the end....

 

[Dragonlady]

Can't blame them. If those illegals hadn't been in the US their kids would still be alive. If the wall were up they couldn't have gotten into the US.

Of course Pelosi and Schumer aren't thinking of the people killed by illegals. They obviously couldn't care less as their rebuttal showed.

Idiots.

They are worse than idiots! They are evil people with American blood on their hands!

You're as whackadoodle as my uncle. Years ago, his sister was murdered in Niagara Falls by an immigrant. He's hated ALL immigrants ever since.

Any fool who thinks that a wall would have prevented this, is both gullible and wrong headed. If Trump and his followers want a wall, why don't they make a scientific case for it, prove it works, and provide accurate costing and environmental assessments. Make a proper case, instead of going on TV and telling lie after lie, and appealling to people's racism and fear.

If the only way you can make a case for your idea is to lie and try to frighten people, it can't have very much merit.

 

[easyt65]

'Whackadoodle'?

My friend's grandmother use to say that all the time....until she went senile and they put her in a home...

 

[WillowTree]

An illegal immigrant or an immigrant you dishonest tool?

 

[Dragonlady]

You're fucking with the heads of the Russian posters who can't comprehend your posts because of your syntax and language us.

By your obsession with 'Russians', by your comment and constantly referring to anyone who does not agree with you as a 'Comrade', I can tell that you are secretly hiding the shame and anger of having been one of the snowflakes the real Russian counter-Intelligence Agents using social media duped into organizing and marching for them. Now you are lashing out at everyone else, accusing them of what you were embarrassingly tricked into doing. You poor thing - how many times did you march for them before you found out you were being duped?

I know it must hurt, but you have to let it go.

I don't ever refer to you assholes as "Comrade", Evgeny, because that's a communist term, and you're not communists. You're in the pay of a right-wing authoritarian dictator.

Since I am a Canadian living in Canada, I could hardly have been duped into attending rallies or marches in the US. In fact, I've been calling you people out, since BEFORE Trump was elected. 50 year old business owners like you pretend to be, don't have the time to post 15,000 times per year like you've been doing since you joined this board. You and your buddies Rustic, Mind Wars, jc456, Carroll, and the usual suspects all have similar backgrounds, and you've all been tripped up on grammar, syntax, lack of familiarity with American figures of speech, etc. Plus you fools have a habit of praising Putin, which no REAL American would EVER do.

You're not nearly as clever as YOU think you are, Evgeny.

 

[Dragonlady]

You're fucking with the heads of the Russian posters who can't comprehend your posts because of your syntax and language us.

By your obsession with 'Russians', by your comment and constantly referring to anyone who does not agree with you as a 'Comrade', I can tell that you are secretly hiding the shame and anger of having been one of the snowflakes the real Russian counter-Intelligence Agents using social media duped into organizing and marching for them. Now you are lashing out at everyone else, accusing them of what you were embarrassingly tricked into doing. You poor thing - how many times did you march for them before you found out you were being duped?

I know it must hurt, but you have to let it go.

I don't ever refer to you assholes as "Comrade", Evgeny, because that's a communist term, and you're not communists. You're in the pay of a right-wing authoritarian dictator.

Since I am a Canadian living in Canada, I could hardly have been duped into attending rallies or marches in the US. In fact, I've been calling you people out, since BEFORE Trump was elected. 50 year old business owners like you pretend to be, don't have the time to post 15,000 times per year like you've been doing since you joined this board. You and your buddies Rustic, Mind Wars, jc456, Carroll, and the usual suspects all have similar backgrounds, and you've all been tripped up on grammar, syntax, lack of familiarity with American figures of speech, etc. Plus you fools have a habit of praising Putin, which no REAL American would EVER do.

You're not nearly as clever as YOU think you are, Evgeny.

 

[WillowTree]

A mind is a terrible thing to waste! Poor wanna be American!

 

[H B Lowrie]

Can't blame them. If those illegals hadn't been in the US their kids would still be alive. If the wall were up they couldn't have gotten into the US.

Of course Pelosi and Schumer aren't thinking of the people killed by illegals. They obviously couldn't care less as their rebuttal showed.

Idiots.

They are worse than idiots! They are evil people with American blood on their hands!

You're as whackadoodle as my uncle. Years ago, his sister was murdered in Niagara Falls by an immigrant. He's hated ALL immigrants ever since.

Any fool who thinks that a wall would have prevented this, is both gullible and wrong headed. If Trump and his followers want a wall, why don't they make a scientific case for it, prove it works, and provide accurate costing and environmental assessments. Make a proper case, instead of going on TV and telling lie after lie, and appealling to people's racism and fear.

If the only way you can make a case for your idea is to lie and try to frighten people, it can't have very much merit.

Because this is america, we've all been socialized to be emotionally reactionary and ever anxious, and for good reason. The last thing any power structure has ever wanted to confront was a clear and coherent human being, much less a gathering of such. Our entire political and economic system runs on fear, always has.

 

[H B Lowrie]

A mind is a terrible thing to waste! Poor wanna be American!

Everyone envies america don't they love. We don't think, we believe.
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New York, N.Y., October 8, 2015 — The U.S. spent more per person on health care than 12 other high-income nations in 2013, while seeing the lowest life expectancy and some of the worst health outcomes among this group, according to a Commonwealth Fund report out today. The analysis shows that in the U.S., which spent an average of $9,086 per person annually, life expectancy was 78.8 years. Switzerland, the second-highest-spending country, spent $6,325 per person and had a life expectancy of 82.9 years. Mortality rates for cancer were among the lowest in the U.S., but rates of chronic conditions, obesity, and infant mortality were higher than those abroad.

“Time and again, we see evidence that the amount of money we spend on health care in this country is not gaining us comparable health benefits,” said Commonwealth Fund President David Blumenthal, M.D. “We have to look at the root causes of this disconnect and invest our health care dollars in ways that will allow us to live longer while enjoying better health and greater productivity.”

U.S. Spends More on Health Care Than Other High-Income Nations But Has Lower Life Expectancy, Worse Health | Commonwealth Fund


U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danmun...-compared-to-10-other-countries/#486bbd6f576f


Major Findings
· Quality: The indicators of quality were grouped into four categories: effective care, safe care, coordinated care, and patient-centered care. Compared with the other 10 countries, the U.S. fares best on provision and receipt of preventive and patient-centered care. While there has been some improvement in recent years, lower scores on safe and coordinated care pull the overall U.S. quality score down. Continued adoption of health information technology should enhance the ability of U.S. physicians to identify, monitor, and coordinate care for their patients, particularly those with chronic conditions.

· Access: Not surprisingly—given the absence of universal coverage—people in the U.S. go without needed health care because of cost more often than people do in the other countries. Americans were the most likely to say they had access problems related to cost. Patients in the U.S. have rapid access to specialized health care services; however, they are less likely to report rapid access to primary care than people in leading countries in the study. In other countries, like Canada, patients have little to no financial burden, but experience wait times for such specialized services. There is a frequent misperception that trade-offs between universal coverage and timely access to specialized services are inevitable; however, the Netherlands, U.K., and Germany provide universal coverage with low out-of-pocket costs while maintaining quick access to specialty services.

· Efficiency: On indicators of efficiency, the U.S. ranks last among the 11 countries, with the U.K. and Sweden ranking first and second, respectively. The U.S. has poor performance on measures of national health expenditures and administrative costs as well as on measures of administrative hassles, avoidable emergency room use, and duplicative medical testing. Sicker survey respondents in the U.K. and France are less likely to visit the emergency room for a condition that could have been treated by a regular doctor, had one been available.

· Equity: The U.S. ranks a clear last on measures of equity. Americans with below-average incomes were much more likely than their counterparts in other countries to report not visiting a physician when sick; not getting a recommended test, treatment, or follow-up care; or not filling a prescription or skipping doses when needed because of costs. On each of these indicators, one-third or more lower-income adults in the U.S. said they went without needed care because of costs in the past year.

· Healthy lives: The U.S. ranks last overall with poor scores on all three indicators of healthy lives—mortality amenable to medical care, infant mortality, and healthy life expectancy at age 60. The U.S. and U.K. had much higher death rates in 2007 from conditions amenable to medical care than some of the other countries, e.g., rates 25 percent to 50 percent higher than Australia and Sweden. Overall, France, Sweden, and Switzerland rank highest on healthy lives.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror


No other advanced country even comes close to the United States in annual spending on health care, but plenty of those other countries see much better outcomes in their citizens' actual health overall.

A new Commonwealth Fund report released Thursday underscored that point — yet again — with an analysis that ranks 13 high-income nations on their overall health spending, use of medical services, prices and health outcomes.

The study data, which is from 2013, predates the full implementation of Obamacare, which took place in 2014. Obamacare is designed to increase health coverage for Americans and stem the rise in health-care costs.

The findings indicate that despite spending well in excess of the rate of any other of those countries in 2013, the United States achieved worse outcomes when it comes to rates of chronic conditions, obesity and infant mortality.

One rare bright spot for the U.S., however, is that its mortality rate for cancer is among the lowest out of the 13 countries, and that cancer rates fell faster between 1995 and 2007 than in other countries.

"Time and again, we see evidence that the amount of money we spend on health care in this country is not gaining us comparable health benefits," said Dr. David Blumenthal, president of the Commonwealth Fund. "We have to look at the root causes of this disconnect and invest our health-care dollars in ways that will allow us to live longer while enjoying better health and greater productivity."

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/08/us-health-care-spending-is-high-results-arenot-so-good.html


Ranking 37th — Measuring the Performance of the U.S. Health Care System
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0910064#t=article


Health Care Outcomes in States Influenced by Coverage, Disparities
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...-in-states-influenced-by-coverage-disparities


One explanation for the health disadvantage of the United States relative to other high-income countries might be deficiencies in health services. Although the United States is renowned for its leadership in biomedical research, its cutting-edge medical technology, and its hospitals and specialists, problems with ensuring Americans’ access to the system and providing quality care have been a long-standing concern of policy makers and the public (Berwick et al., 2008; Brook, 2011b; Fineberg, 2012). Higher mortality rates from diseases, and even from transportation-related injuries and homicides, may be traceable in part to failings in the health care system.

The United States stands out from many other countries in not offering universal health insurance coverage. In 2010, 50 million people (16 percent of the U.S. population) were uninsured (DeNavas-Walt et al., 2011). Access to health care services, particularly in rural and frontier communities or disadvantaged urban centers, is often limited. The United States has a relatively weak foundation for primary care and a shortage of family physicians (American Academy of Family Physicians, 2009; Grumbach et al., 2009; Macinko et al., 2007; Sandy et al., 2009). Many Americans rely on emergency departments for acute, chronic, and even preventive care (Institute of Medicine, 2007a; Schoen et al., 2009b, 2011). Cost sharing is common in the United States, and high out-of-pocket expenses make health care services, pharmaceuticals, and medical supplies increasingly unaffordable (Commonwealth Fund Commission on a High Performance System, 2011; Karaca-Mandic et al., 2012). In 2011, one-third of American households reported problems paying medical bills (Cohen et al., 2012), a problem that seems to have worsened in recent years (Himmelstein et al., 2009). Health insurance premiums are consuming an increasing proportion of U.S. household income (Commonwealth Fund Commission on a High Performance System, 2011).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK154484/


Once again, U.S. has most expensive, least effective health care system in survey

A report released Monday by a respected think tank ranks the United States dead last in the quality of its health-care system when compared with 10 other western, industrialized nations, the same spot it occupied in four previous studies by the same organization. Not only did the U.S. fail to move up between 2004 and 2014 -- as other nations did with concerted effort and significant reforms -- it also has maintained this dubious distinction while spending far more per capita ($8,508) on health care than Norway ($5,669), which has the second most expensive system.

"Although the U.S. spends more on health care than any other country and has the highest proportion of specialist physicians, survey findings indicate that from the patients’ perspective, and based on outcome indicators, the performance of American health care is severely lacking," the Commonwealth Fund, a New York-based foundation that promotes improved health care, concluded in its extensive analysis. The charts in this post are from the report.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...care-system-in-survey/?utm_term=.3bea55276072


US healthcare system ranks 50th out of 55 countries for efficiency
http://www.beckershospitalreview.co...-50th-out-of-55-countries-for-efficiency.html


The U.S. healthcare system notched another dubious honor in a new comparison of its quality to the systems of 10 other developed countries: its rank was dead last.

The new study by the Commonwealth Fund ranks the U.S. against seven wealthy European countries and Canada, Australia and New Zealand. It's a follow-up of previous surveys published in 2010, 2007, 2006 and 2004, in all of which the U.S. also ranked last.

Although the U.S. ranked in the middle of the pack on measures of effectiveness, safety and coordination of care, it ranked dead last on access and cost, by a sufficient margin to rank dead last overall. The breakdowns are in the chart above.

Conservative pundits hastened to explain away these results after the report was published. See Aaron Carroll for a gloss on the "zombie arguments" put forth against the clear evidence that the U.S. system falls short.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-the-us-healthcare-system-20140617-column.html

U.S. Health Care Ranked Worst in the Developed World
http://time.com/2888403/u-s-health-care-ranked-worst-in-the-developed-world/

 

[Dragonlady]

"Several "Angel parents" -- the mothers and fathers of U.S. citizens killed by illegal immigrants -- are accusing top Democrats of being out of touch with “regular America” after they claimed President Trump is “manufacturing a crisis” at the border to win support for the construction of his long-promised wall.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Ca., used the 'manufacturing' language Tuesday night during their tag-team rebuttal to Trump’s Oval Office address -- his first ever -- on border security. The Democratic duo argued the president was merely trying to strike fear into the hearts of Americans in an attempt to get his central campaign promise across the finish line. But that spin didn't sit well with those who've lost loved ones due to illegal immigration.

“I’m just wondering if Nancy Pelosi had one of her children or grandchildren assaulted in the same way that my son was assassinated if she would speak the same way. I just wonder about that,” Jeffrey Mazin, the father of Alexander Mazin.

Alexander Mazin, 27, was shot and killed at a gym parking lot in San Diego in February last year. The suspected shooter, Ernesto Castellanos Martinez, is reported to be the ex-boyfriend of the woman Mazin had recently started dating. Martinez, investigators say, is also a twice-deported illegal immigrant who has since fled to Mexico.

“It may seem 'manufactured' to them because they are sitting safely behind walls, but for those of us out in regular America, we are victims, we are prone to the victimization of illegal aliens and crime”


Chucky and Nancy believe this is all a Trump 'Manufactured Crisis', leading some 'Angel Parents' to believe the two are 'Out of Touch' with America? I think there's another reason, and I have a suggestion for Schumer and Pelosi that will help them change their perception about what's going on:



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Families of Americans killed by illegal immigrants take issue with claim Trump is ‘manufacturing a crisis’

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All parents of children who die before their parents are "angel parents". For fools like you, the parents of children who are killed by immigrants endure more suffering than the parents of the children who died at Sandy Hook, or Parkland, because Trump isn't going on TV talking about all they endured because angry white men with guns can shoot them in their schools.

Why are the only angel parents who matter to Donald Trump, are the parents of those killed by immigrants. Of all of the "angel parents", there are more angel parents from the victims of mass shooters than there are from illegal immigrants. Why don't you care about the angel parents of those killed by the opioid epdiemic, or school shootings, or American gang violence?

Why don't all of the angel parents matter?

Because america was founded upon violence; it is as american as apple pie, baseball, ethnic cleansing/removal and whatever else is necessary for the eurocentric colonization of peoples to continue in the pursuit of wealth extraction, concentration and redistribution.

This argument seeks to exploit one category of "angel parent" and make their loss seem easily preventable, if only we would build a wall. It makes it appear that these are the ONLY parents whose losses could have been prevented, if only the government had acted. But there are preventable losses through background checks, and restricting sales of certain classes of weapons, things that don't impede the safe and responsible ownership of guns, but prevent mass killing tools from falling into the hands of spousal abusers, and those with violent tendencies.

No other country in the first world has these tremdendous losses of life in public spaces through mass shootings, especially at schools, and yet has done NOTHING substantive in terms of restricting gun ownership as a result. You also have the worst history in the first world of proper nutrition to school children. No other first world country has school aged children wondering how they will eat during school holiday breaks. Your public education system is the worst performing of all G8 nations, and your teachers among the worst paid, as a percentage of GDP.

There is no maternity leave for pregnant women. No family leave for parents of sick children. My impression is that Americans really don't care about their children, except when they're in utero

 

[Dragonlady]

"Several "Angel parents" -- the mothers and fathers of U.S. citizens killed by illegal immigrants -- are accusing top Democrats of being out of touch with “regular America” after they claimed President Trump is “manufacturing a crisis” at the border to win support for the construction of his long-promised wall.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Ca., used the 'manufacturing' language Tuesday night during their tag-team rebuttal to Trump’s Oval Office address -- his first ever -- on border security. The Democratic duo argued the president was merely trying to strike fear into the hearts of Americans in an attempt to get his central campaign promise across the finish line. But that spin didn't sit well with those who've lost loved ones due to illegal immigration.

“I’m just wondering if Nancy Pelosi had one of her children or grandchildren assaulted in the same way that my son was assassinated if she would speak the same way. I just wonder about that,” Jeffrey Mazin, the father of Alexander Mazin.

Alexander Mazin, 27, was shot and killed at a gym parking lot in San Diego in February last year. The suspected shooter, Ernesto Castellanos Martinez, is reported to be the ex-boyfriend of the woman Mazin had recently started dating. Martinez, investigators say, is also a twice-deported illegal immigrant who has since fled to Mexico.

“It may seem 'manufactured' to them because they are sitting safely behind walls, but for those of us out in regular America, we are victims, we are prone to the victimization of illegal aliens and crime”


Chucky and Nancy believe this is all a Trump 'Manufactured Crisis', leading some 'Angel Parents' to believe the two are 'Out of Touch' with America? I think there's another reason, and I have a suggestion for Schumer and Pelosi that will help them change their perception about what's going on:



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Families of Americans killed by illegal immigrants take issue with claim Trump is ‘manufacturing a crisis’

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All parents of children who die before their parents are "angel parents". For fools like you, the parents of children who are killed by immigrants endure more suffering than the parents of the children who died at Sandy Hook, or Parkland, because Trump isn't going on TV talking about all they endured because angry white men with guns can shoot them in their schools.

Why are the only angel parents who matter to Donald Trump, are the parents of those killed by immigrants. Of all of the "angel parents", there are more angel parents from the victims of mass shooters than there are from illegal immigrants. Why don't you care about the angel parents of those killed by the opioid epdiemic, or school shootings, or American gang violence?

Why don't all of the angel parents matter?

Because america was founded upon violence; it is as american as apple pie, baseball, ethnic cleansing/removal and whatever else is necessary for the eurocentric colonization of peoples to continue in the pursuit of wealth extraction, concentration and redistribution.

This argument seeks to exploit one category of "angel parent" and make their loss seem easily preventable, if only we would build a wall. It makes it appear that these are the ONLY parents whose losses could have been prevented, if only the government had acted. But there are preventable losses through background checks, and restricting sales of certain classes of weapons, things that don't impede the safe and responsible ownership of guns, but prevent mass killing tools from falling into the hands of spousal abusers, and those with violent tendencies.

No other country in the first world has these tremdendous losses of life in public spaces through mass shootings, especially at schools, and yet has done NOTHING substantive in terms of restricting gun ownership as a result. You also have the worst history in the first world of proper nutrition to school children. No other first world country has school aged children wondering how they will eat during school holiday breaks. Your public education system is the worst performing of all G8 nations, and your teachers among the worst paid, as a percentage of GDP.

There is no maternity leave for pregnant women. No family leave for parents of sick children. My impression is that Americans really don't care about their children, except when they're in utero

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

All parents of children who die before their parents are "angel parents".

Diversion.

Why are the only angel parents who matter to Donald Trump, are the parents of those killed by immigrants?

False Narrative - no one said that.

You're the one pushing a false narrative. That Americans face more danger from illegal immigrants and from anyother other class of resident. The facts simply do NOT back up these claims. Illegal immigrants commit far fewer violent crimes than American born residents. Areas with high numbers of illegal immigrants have LOWER crime rates than other neighbourhoods.

Mollie Tibbetts' death is being used to push debunked ideas about illegal immigration and violent crime

Immigration and Crime - Oxford Research Encyclopedia of Criminology

The Murder of Mollie Tibbetts and Illegal Immigrant Crime: The Facts

Even if Illegal Immigrants did have lower crime than the National average.
(Which seems to be dubious claim at best)

We know about 24% of our Prison system were Illegals, while less than 10% of the U.S.A were Illegals.

Data on Foreign-Born in Federal Prisons Says Little About Overall Immigrant Criminality

Such issues come into play.

A.) Hispanic crime rates are in fact higher than Whites, so it would appear that many Illegal Immigrant children & their grandchildren are more prone to crime.

B.) The National average is spiked significantly, by people who are not White, or Illegal Immigrants, but rather Legalized people such as Blacks, or Puerto Ricans.

C.) The Illegal Immigrants in their own right are criminals, for not coming here the right way.

D.) Illegal Immigrants tend to drain the system, taking more out of the system, than they put into it.

E.) Illegal Immigrants are changing the culture of the U.S.A, which

 

[H B Lowrie]

"Several "Angel parents" -- the mothers and fathers of U.S. citizens killed by illegal immigrants -- are accusing top Democrats of being out of touch with “regular America” after they claimed President Trump is “manufacturing a crisis” at the border to win support for the construction of his long-promised wall.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Ca., used the 'manufacturing' language Tuesday night during their tag-team rebuttal to Trump’s Oval Office address -- his first ever -- on border security. The Democratic duo argued the president was merely trying to strike fear into the hearts of Americans in an attempt to get his central campaign promise across the finish line. But that spin didn't sit well with those who've lost loved ones due to illegal immigration.

“I’m just wondering if Nancy Pelosi had one of her children or grandchildren assaulted in the same way that my son was assassinated if she would speak the same way. I just wonder about that,” Jeffrey Mazin, the father of Alexander Mazin.

Alexander Mazin, 27, was shot and killed at a gym parking lot in San Diego in February last year. The suspected shooter, Ernesto Castellanos Martinez, is reported to be the ex-boyfriend of the woman Mazin had recently started dating. Martinez, investigators say, is also a twice-deported illegal immigrant who has since fled to Mexico.

“It may seem 'manufactured' to them because they are sitting safely behind walls, but for those of us out in regular America, we are victims, we are prone to the victimization of illegal aliens and crime”


Chucky and Nancy believe this is all a Trump 'Manufactured Crisis', leading some 'Angel Parents' to believe the two are 'Out of Touch' with America? I think there's another reason, and I have a suggestion for Schumer and Pelosi that will help them change their perception about what's going on:



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All parents of children who die before their parents are "angel parents". For fools like you, the parents of children who are killed by immigrants endure more suffering than the parents of the children who died at Sandy Hook, or Parkland, because Trump isn't going on TV talking about all they endured because angry white men with guns can shoot them in their schools.

Why are the only angel parents who matter to Donald Trump, are the parents of those killed by immigrants. Of all of the "angel parents", there are more angel parents from the victims of mass shooters than there are from illegal immigrants. Why don't you care about the angel parents of those killed by the opioid epdiemic, or school shootings, or American gang violence?

Why don't all of the angel parents matter?

Because america was founded upon violence; it is as american as apple pie, baseball, ethnic cleansing/removal and whatever else is necessary for the eurocentric colonization of peoples to continue in the pursuit of wealth extraction, concentration and redistribution.

This argument seeks to exploit one category of "angel parent" and make their loss seem easily preventable, if only we would build a wall. It makes it appear that these are the ONLY parents whose losses could have been prevented, if only the government had acted. But there are preventable losses through background checks, and restricting sales of certain classes of weapons, things that don't impede the safe and responsible ownership of guns, but prevent mass killing tools from falling into the hands of spousal abusers, and those with violent tendencies.

No other country in the first world has these tremdendous losses of life in public spaces through mass shootings, especially at schools, and yet has done NOTHING substantive in terms of restricting gun ownership as a result. You also have the worst history in the first world of proper nutrition to school children. No other first world country has school aged children wondering how they will eat during school holiday breaks. Your public education system is the worst performing of all G8 nations, and your teachers among the worst paid, as a percentage of GDP.

There is no maternity leave for pregnant women. No family leave for parents of sick children. My impression is that Americans really don't care about their children, except when they're in utero

Well now you are witnessing real american values on display. Children are used like the bible, the constitution, UN resolutions, "the law", and all the rest of or so-called graven illusory images. All are merely instruments with which to bludgeon whomever the system says our opposition is at any given moment in time.

 

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We need more fear and blame in america, so that no one is responsible. We can all just blame someone else and do nothing. It's perfect.

The wall should have the effect of reducing fear and as far as blame goes, its the Democrats standing in the way of a wall supported by many past presidents. Democrats have a problem with responsibility. Trump's approval rating is up a point today.

 

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"Several "Angel parents" -- the mothers and fathers of U.S. citizens killed by illegal immigrants -- are accusing top Democrats of being out of touch with “regular America” after they claimed President Trump is “manufacturing a crisis” at the border to win support for the construction of his long-promised wall.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Ca., used the 'manufacturing' language Tuesday night during their tag-team rebuttal to Trump’s Oval Office address -- his first ever -- on border security. The Democratic duo argued the president was merely trying to strike fear into the hearts of Americans in an attempt to get his central campaign promise across the finish line. But that spin didn't sit well with those who've lost loved ones due to illegal immigration.

“I’m just wondering if Nancy Pelosi had one of her children or grandchildren assaulted in the same way that my son was assassinated if she would speak the same way. I just wonder about that,” Jeffrey Mazin, the father of Alexander Mazin.

Alexander Mazin, 27, was shot and killed at a gym parking lot in San Diego in February last year. The suspected shooter, Ernesto Castellanos Martinez, is reported to be the ex-boyfriend of the woman Mazin had recently started dating. Martinez, investigators say, is also a twice-deported illegal immigrant who has since fled to Mexico.

“It may seem 'manufactured' to them because they are sitting safely behind walls, but for those of us out in regular America, we are victims, we are prone to the victimization of illegal aliens and crime”


Chucky and Nancy believe this is all a Trump 'Manufactured Crisis', leading some 'Angel Parents' to believe the two are 'Out of Touch' with America? I think there's another reason, and I have a suggestion for Schumer and Pelosi that will help them change their perception about what's going on:



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Thoughts and prayers

I'd prefer guns and ammo thanks.