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Just curious, if the temperature at the sun's surface is 5 thousand degrees and the temperature above the surface is more than a million degrees. How can heat move from where it's cooler to where it's hotter? Wouldn't it move from where it's hotter to where it's cooler?
I should always remember that folks like you have to be spoon-fed, teaspoon by teaspoon.
You see, Al "Failed Out of College" Gore is the Prime Mover of the Global Governance Scam.
It was in all the papers, didn't ya see it?
So, it's more than passing humorous that the Pied Piper of Global Governance doesn't know anything about science.
Get it? Got it? Good!
And what's even funnier is that folks like you get bent out of shape when Gore thinks he's living on a body closer in temperature to the Sun- and you don't see the humor!
OK, maybe that one doesn't play well in your schoolyard. Try this:
Did you hear that the federal government is sending a manned mission to land on the Sun to study it?
Burned up? No...
They're going at night!
Pretty damned stupid PC. You and PI are very similiar in your ability to ignore the obvious. Al Gore, a politician and successful investor, did not know the temperature of the earth's core. So what? He never has stated that he was a scientist. What he has stated is that he put scientists concerns over Global warming into layman's terms, and did so pretty damned well.
I really don't care about Gore's grades in college. So he acted like a rich man's son, as so many like him did. His acheivements since that time have proven his intellect, unlike his opponent of 2000.
Your own ignorance on science has always been apparent. So why are you casting stones?
Oh, no.
Another round of whack-a-mole!
"...proven his intellect..."
"After enrolling in Vanderbilts prestigious divinity school, over the course of three semesters, he failed five of his eight classes. Gores allies claim that the birth of his first child and his duties as a reporter at the Tennessean newspaper kept him from his studies. For the record, though, Gore also later dropped out of Vanderbilts law school (in 1976), ..."
mental_floss Blog » 5 Surprising Divinity School Dropouts
"...proven his intellect..."
"But Al Gore refuses to debate those who say global warming is not a crisis.
Maybe its because climate alarmists tend to lose when they debate climate realists. Or because most scientists do not support climate alarmism.
Dennis Avery, coauthor of the best-selling book Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1,500 Years, is still waiting for Gore to respond to his April 16 formal debate challenge:
[Our two] books represent the two leading explanations for the earths recent temperature changesand they conflict. If global warming truly is the most important public policy issue of our day, then it is high time the public got to hear the arguments from both sides matched up against each other. How else can people make informed decisions? Therefore, I formally challenge you to debate me at a public event, preferably to be televised or carried by a radio station, sometime in the coming months."
Why Wonât Al Gore Debate? - by Joseph L. Bast - News Releases
"...proven his intellect..."
"How telling it is he runs away from open honest debate. How telling indeed.
In 2007 Lord Monckton a former policy adviser to Margaret Thatcher challenged Al Gore to an internationally televised, head-to-head, nation-unto-nation confrontation on the question, That our effect on climate is not dangerous.
Al Gore afraid of debate prefers to hide under his desk instead
Monckton calls on the former Vice President to step up to the plate and defend his advocacy of policies that could do grave harm to the welfare of the worlds poor. If Mr. Gore really believes global warming is the defining issue of our time, the greatest threat human civilization has ever faced, and then he should welcome the opportunity to raise the profile of the issue before a worldwide audience of billions by defining and defending his claims against a serious, science-based challenge.
Now I get it, Rocks!
Many folks are enamored with those superior to themselves- you know, like you and Al Gore.
Speaking for 6.3 billion people, are we now?No, we should just ignore Al Gore.
Go ahead. The rest of the world is not.
Pretty damned stupid PC. You and PI are very similiar in your ability to ignore the obvious. Al Gore, a politician and successful investor, did not know the temperature of the earth's core. So what? He never has stated that he was a scientist. What he has stated is that he put scientists concerns over Global warming into layman's terms, and did so pretty damned well.
I really don't care about Gore's grades in college. So he acted like a rich man's son, as so many like him did. His acheivements since that time have proven his intellect, unlike his opponent of 2000.
Your own ignorance on science has always been apparent. So why are you casting stones?
Oh, no.
Another round of whack-a-mole!
"...proven his intellect..."
"After enrolling in Vanderbilts prestigious divinity school, over the course of three semesters, he failed five of his eight classes. Gores allies claim that the birth of his first child and his duties as a reporter at the Tennessean newspaper kept him from his studies. For the record, though, Gore also later dropped out of Vanderbilts law school (in 1976), ..."
mental_floss Blog » 5 Surprising Divinity School Dropouts
"...proven his intellect..."
"But Al Gore refuses to debate those who say global warming is not a crisis.
Maybe its because climate alarmists tend to lose when they debate climate realists. Or because most scientists do not support climate alarmism.
Dennis Avery, coauthor of the best-selling book Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1,500 Years, is still waiting for Gore to respond to his April 16 formal debate challenge:
[Our two] books represent the two leading explanations for the earths recent temperature changesand they conflict. If global warming truly is the most important public policy issue of our day, then it is high time the public got to hear the arguments from both sides matched up against each other. How else can people make informed decisions? Therefore, I formally challenge you to debate me at a public event, preferably to be televised or carried by a radio station, sometime in the coming months."
Why Wonât Al Gore Debate? - by Joseph L. Bast - News Releases
"...proven his intellect..."
"How telling it is he runs away from open honest debate. How telling indeed.
In 2007 Lord Monckton a former policy adviser to Margaret Thatcher challenged Al Gore to an internationally televised, head-to-head, nation-unto-nation confrontation on the question, That our effect on climate is not dangerous.
Al Gore afraid of debate prefers to hide under his desk instead
Monckton calls on the former Vice President to step up to the plate and defend his advocacy of policies that could do grave harm to the welfare of the worlds poor. If Mr. Gore really believes global warming is the defining issue of our time, the greatest threat human civilization has ever faced, and then he should welcome the opportunity to raise the profile of the issue before a worldwide audience of billions by defining and defending his claims against a serious, science-based challenge.
Now I get it, Rocks!
Many folks are enamored with those superior to themselves- you know, like you and Al Gore.
Monkton is a charleton and a liar. Got his ass handed to him when he presumed to lecture the American Physical Society;
American Physical Society stomps on Monckton disinformation thank you Climate Progress readers « Climate Progress
American Physical Society stomps on Monckton disinformation thank you Climate Progress readers
July 19, 2008
The countrys largest organization of physicists is working fast to restore its good name, which was damaged by one ignorant editor of a non-peer-reviewed newsletter. That editor, Jeff Marque, published a previously-debunked analysis by failed conservative politician and non-scientist Lord Monckton.
The Council of the American Physical Society quickly responded to the uproar over this disinformation by adding a new disclaimer to the Monckton article:
This article has not undergone any scientific peer review. Its conclusions are in disagreement with the overwhelming opinion of the world scientific community. The Council of the American Physical Society disagrees with this articles conclusions.
There is no need to waste any further time here debunking Moncktons sleight-of-hand to fool the unwary, as RealClimate put it. As the APS makes clear, just because somebody uses a lot of numbers and formulas, that doesnt make their analysis either scientific or credible.
Al Gore raised the whole worlds awareness of the oncoming dangers of global warming and the resultant climate change. He has now moved on to working with others on the way to power our industry with further damaging the world that our children will inherit.
I fully realize that you Consevatives do not believe in any science that does not have Tom DeLay's or Inhofe's approval, but most of the rest of us are not that stupid.
Everything mentioned about Monckton is the same for Gore, even as a failed politician.Pretty damned stupid PC. You and PI are very similiar in your ability to ignore the obvious. Al Gore, a politician and successful investor, did not know the temperature of the earth's core. So what? He never has stated that he was a scientist. What he has stated is that he put scientists concerns over Global warming into layman's terms, and did so pretty damned well.
I really don't care about Gore's grades in college. So he acted like a rich man's son, as so many like him did. His acheivements since that time have proven his intellect, unlike his opponent of 2000.
Your own ignorance on science has always been apparent. So why are you casting stones?
Oh, no.
Another round of whack-a-mole!
"...proven his intellect..."
"After enrolling in Vanderbilt’s prestigious divinity school, over the course of three semesters, he failed five of his eight classes. Gore’s allies claim that the birth of his first child and his duties as a reporter at the Tennessean newspaper kept him from his studies. For the record, though, Gore also later dropped out of Vanderbilt’s law school (in 1976), ..."
mental_floss Blog » 5 Surprising Divinity School Dropouts
"...proven his intellect..."
"But Al Gore refuses to debate those who say global warming is not a crisis.
Maybe it’s because climate alarmists tend to lose when they debate climate realists. Or because most scientists do not support climate alarmism.
Dennis Avery, coauthor of the best-selling book Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1,500 Years, is still waiting for Gore to respond to his April 16 formal debate challenge:
[Our two] books represent the two leading explanations for the earth’s recent temperature changes—and they conflict. If global warming truly is the most important public policy issue of our day, then it is high time the public got to hear the arguments from both sides matched up against each other. How else can people make informed decisions? Therefore, I formally challenge you to debate me at a public event, preferably to be televised or carried by a radio station, sometime in the coming months."
Why Won’t Al Gore Debate? - by Joseph L. Bast - News Releases
"...proven his intellect..."
"How telling it is he runs away from open honest debate. How telling indeed.
In 2007 Lord Monckton a former policy adviser to Margaret Thatcher challenged Al Gore to “an internationally televised, head-to-head, nation-unto-nation confrontation on the question, “That our effect on climate is not dangerous.”
Al Gore afraid of debate prefers to hide under his desk instead
Monckton calls on the former Vice President to “step up to the plate and defend his advocacy of policies that could do grave harm to the welfare of the world’s poor. If Mr. Gore really believes global warming is the defining issue of our time, the greatest threat human civilization has ever faced, and then he should welcome the opportunity to raise the profile of the issue before a worldwide audience of billions by defining and defending his claims against a serious, science-based challenge”.
Now I get it, Rocks!
Many folks are enamored with those superior to themselves- you know, like you and Al Gore.
Monkton is a charleton and a liar. Got his ass handed to him when he presumed to lecture the American Physical Society;
American Physical Society stomps on Monckton disinformation — thank you Climate Progress readers « Climate Progress
American Physical Society stomps on Monckton disinformation — thank you Climate Progress readers
July 19, 2008
The country’s largest organization of physicists is working fast to restore its good name, which was damaged by one ignorant editor of a non-peer-reviewed newsletter. That editor, Jeff Marque, published a previously-debunked analysis by failed conservative politician and non-scientist Lord Monckton.
The Council of the American Physical Society quickly responded to the uproar over this disinformation by adding a new disclaimer to the Monckton article:
This article has not undergone any scientific peer review. Its conclusions are in disagreement with the overwhelming opinion of the world scientific community. The Council of the American Physical Society disagrees with this article’s conclusions.
There is no need to waste any further time here debunking Monckton’s “sleight-of-hand to fool the unwary,” as RealClimate put it. As the APS makes clear, just because somebody uses a lot of numbers and formulas, that doesn’t make their analysis either scientific or credible.
Al Gore raised the whole worlds awareness of the oncoming dangers of global warming and the resultant climate change. He has now moved on to working with others on the way to power our industry with further damaging the world that our children will inherit.
I fully realize that you Consevatives do not believe in any science that does not have Tom DeLay's or Inhofe's approval, but most of the rest of us are not that stupid.
Once again, Elvis displays his fetish with the male organs. Out of the closet yet, old boy?
Just curious, if the temperature at the sun's surface is 5 thousand degrees and the temperature above the surface is more than a million degrees. How can heat move from where it's cooler to where it's hotter? Wouldn't it move from where it's hotter to where it's cooler?
When you are measuring the degree of heat on the sun's surface, you are measuring the heat output of a gaseous body. When measuring the heat above the sun's surface, you are measuring the degree of ionization of the individual atoms.
In the interest of science and astronomy, here is some interesting information: The center of the Earth may be about 15,000F. As one leaves the surface of the Earth and approaches its center the temperature increases in a roughly linear gradient scale of about 1-deg-F per 100 foot of depth. The temperature of the ground at about a depth of 5' or in a cave is about 54F.
The temperature at the surface, (the photosphere) of the sun is a mere 10,000F more or less, which amazingly is less hot than the center of the Earth, but about 100 miles to 500 miles above the sun's "surface" in the chromosphere the temperature is about 50,000F. Just above the chromosphere is the corona where the temperature varies from 2,000,000 to 3,000,000 degrees Fahrenheit.
The temperature at the Center of the sun is about 27,000,000F.
References to geothermal heating systems also refer to a ground loop piping laid in the soil at a depth of about 6-feet used to transfer heat from the Earth into the heat exchanger of furnace inside a home, reversing in the summer time to give up heat from the heat exchanger taken from the home and giving it up into the cooler soil. During a long heating or cooling season these systems lose efficiency as the soil surrounding the loop becomes saturated or surcharged with heat or cold.
Al Gore was referring to geothermal energy such as is found at Yellowstone's geysers or on the island of Iceland where there are faults between tectonic plates bringing hot inner material near enough to the surface to access it efficiently and economically. On average though, the Earth's surface tectonic plates are bout 70-miles thick. This would require a huge investment for drilling for extracting energy from such depths, and is not very economically feasible; just nice in theory.
Al Gore raised the whole worlds awareness of the oncoming dangers of global warming and the resultant climate change. He has now moved on to working with others on the way to power our industry with further damaging the world that our children will inherit.
I fully realize that you Consevatives do not believe in any science that does not have Tom DeLay's or Inhofe's approval, but most of the rest of us are not that stupid.
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Al Gore was referring to geothermal energy such as is found at Yellowstone's geysers or on the island of Iceland where there are faults between tectonic plates bringing hot inner material near enough to the surface to access it efficiently and economically. On average though, the Earth's surface tectonic plates are bout 70-miles thick. This would require a huge investment for drilling for extracting energy from such depths, and is not very economically feasible; just nice in theory.
Wrong. Water at only 180 F. can be used very economicaly to drive generators for geothermal generation. And we have sources that warm and more over 1/2 of Oregon. And almost all of Nevada. At depths less than 5000 ft. At standard depths for deep oil wells, much of the US is a good source of geothermal, according to this MIT study;
MIT-led panel backs 'heat mining' as key U.S. energy source
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Al Gore was referring to geothermal energy such as is found at Yellowstone's geysers or on the island of Iceland where there are faults between tectonic plates bringing hot inner material near enough to the surface to access it efficiently and economically. On average though, the Earth's surface tectonic plates are bout 70-miles thick. This would require a huge investment for drilling for extracting energy from such depths, and is not very economically feasible; just nice in theory.
Wrong. Water at only 180 F. can be used very economicaly to drive generators for geothermal generation. And we have sources that warm and more over 1/2 of Oregon. And almost all of Nevada. At depths less than 5000 ft. At standard depths for deep oil wells, much of the US is a good source of geothermal, according to this MIT study;
MIT-led panel backs 'heat mining' as key U.S. energy source
I read the article and also the PDF source material. I did not pick up on the 180 F data point at which we can economically drive generators for geothermal generation. Could you help me with an exact page number for that temperature if it is in the PDF?
BTW: My calculations show the temperature rise according to the map (link below page 1-14; page 28 of 372) to increase at about a rate of 1 - F degree per 109 feet linearly. At that rate even for 180 F rock at depth in the eastern part of the country (The dark green - 3.5 km map at the top) one has to go to a depth of 16,000+ feet; BUT for 100 C (212 F boiling of water) one would have to go to 21,280 feet on average in that darg green region.
The Future of Geothermal Energy
Impact of Enhanced Geothermal Systems (EGS) on the United States in the 21st Century (PDF)
