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When you say “the power” do you mean the physical ability, or the moral right?
The point is that the solutions will come if the problem is real and pressing enough...That's how markets work...The other point being that you're acting exactly like a leftist moonbat, in that you want results that are totally spelled out and guaranteed before you'll even consider anything outside of that which is clearly not working.OK. When you come up with a solution, let me know
The point is that the solutions will come if the problem is real and pressing enough...That's how markets work...The other point being that you're acting exactly like a leftist moonbat, in that you want results that are totally spelled out and guaranteed before you'll even consider anything outside of that which is clearly not working.OK. When you come up with a solution, let me know
Yeah...And free people operating in a marketplace of volition can't find a way to resolve this challenge because.....?The whole point with "markets" is that you have choices. You can buy a computer from any number of vendors. You can buy a pair of shoes from any number of sources.
You can have only one property line. You and your neighbor can't have different lines
I am a libertarian/conservative. If you want to do something to yourself , more power to you, just make sure it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. If you want to do drugs, go for it, don't come to me later demanding I need to provide for your addiction. If you want to poke another mans ass, with your penis, that is your choice, don't tell me I have to accept you as normal, just keep it to yourself. If you want to be a victim of liberalism and remain poor, that is your fault, so don't DEMAND the government to punish me for my success. The government is supposed to be there, to protect US citizens from other people who want to do bad things to US. That is their role, not to be nannies of the state and supply morons with stuff that keeps them alive.Hi everybody. I'm just trying to get a sense for how many people here are truly freedom-minded. Please vote to indicate your position, and feel free to elaborate, or bring up anything you'd like (or just vent your inevitable frustrations) in this thread! Thanks so much!
*note that I've made a distinction between full-on anarchists/voluntaryists, Libertarian party supporters, and other libertarians who condone some form of minimal government.
I've no objection. I voted for Johnson Weld in 16, and I'd vote L in the poll, but as I understood it, Johnson Weld faced some puchback from libertarians on things such as no discrimination on GLBT, and possibly govt spending on infrastructure.I support pro liberty and freedom policies.Im all about freedom and individual liberty but i dont consider myself either of those
Interesting. How would you define your position (either by name, or description)?
I support the federal govts power that was given to them by our Constitution. Nothing more.
So your objection to the vote in this thread is that I've indicated the Libertarian party, which you do not believe reflect your constitutional libertarian views?
EDIT: I've added another poll choice, as my intent includes those who share your position.
Gary Johnson on 11 key issues: Where does Libertarian presidential candidate stand?
However, I'd classify myself as a socially non-interventionist, fiscal conservative and following the Reagan doctrine on using the military.
Yeah...And free people operating in a marketplace of volition can't find a way to resolve this challenge because.....?The whole point with "markets" is that you have choices. You can buy a computer from any number of vendors. You can buy a pair of shoes from any number of sources.
You can have only one property line. You and your neighbor can't have different lines
Why? We defeated the largest communist country ever to exist without firing a single shot at them.No regieme change unless commies are involved though
I've no objection. I voted for Johnson Weld in 16, and I'd vote L in the poll, but as I understood it, Johnson Weld faced some puchback from libertarians on things such as no discrimination on GLBT, and possibly govt spending on infrastructure.I support pro liberty and freedom policies.Im all about freedom and individual liberty but i dont consider myself either of those
Interesting. How would you define your position (either by name, or description)?
I support the federal govts power that was given to them by our Constitution. Nothing more.
So your objection to the vote in this thread is that I've indicated the Libertarian party, which you do not believe reflect your constitutional libertarian views?
EDIT: I've added another poll choice, as my intent includes those who share your position.
Gary Johnson on 11 key issues: Where does Libertarian presidential candidate stand?
However, I'd classify myself as a socially non-interventionist, fiscal conservative and following the Reagan doctrine on using the military.
Gary Johnson wasn't a Libertarian.
.
.
Sorry, i do not subscribe to, nor am I bound by, your purity test. One can respect and practice classical liberalism in degrees. One can apply it to situations, and yet still believe we should have a functioning government that collects taxes and, at times, is collectivist.It would not be hard for me to find someone whose purity test YOU would fail, so I don't see much value in your purity test.If you're a classical Liberal as I am
When you say “the power” do you mean the physical ability, or the moral right?
Let's start with the moral right and go from there, we can move the former later.
Does a parent have the moral right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience among their children?
Does you boss have the moral right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience at your place of employment?
I've no objection. I voted for Johnson Weld in 16, and I'd vote L in the poll, but as I understood it, Johnson Weld faced some puchback from libertarians on things such as no discrimination on GLBT, and possibly govt spending on infrastructure.I support pro liberty and freedom policies.Interesting. How would you define your position (either by name, or description)?
I support the federal govts power that was given to them by our Constitution. Nothing more.
So your objection to the vote in this thread is that I've indicated the Libertarian party, which you do not believe reflect your constitutional libertarian views?
EDIT: I've added another poll choice, as my intent includes those who share your position.
Gary Johnson on 11 key issues: Where does Libertarian presidential candidate stand?
However, I'd classify myself as a socially non-interventionist, fiscal conservative and following the Reagan doctrine on using the military.
Gary Johnson wasn't a Libertarian.
.
.
Obviously he was since he was the party's candidate. I think you mean he wasn't a libertarian. That's true, he wasn't
I've no objection. I voted for Johnson Weld in 16, and I'd vote L in the poll, but as I understood it, Johnson Weld faced some puchback from libertarians on things such as no discrimination on GLBT, and possibly govt spending on infrastructure.I support pro liberty and freedom policies.
I support the federal govts power that was given to them by our Constitution. Nothing more.
So your objection to the vote in this thread is that I've indicated the Libertarian party, which you do not believe reflect your constitutional libertarian views?
EDIT: I've added another poll choice, as my intent includes those who share your position.
Gary Johnson on 11 key issues: Where does Libertarian presidential candidate stand?
However, I'd classify myself as a socially non-interventionist, fiscal conservative and following the Reagan doctrine on using the military.
Gary Johnson wasn't a Libertarian.
.
.
Obviously he was since he was the party's candidate. I think you mean he wasn't a libertarian. That's true, he wasn't
He was a LINO
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I'm libertarian.
I'm not sure why anyone would believe that anarchists are liberty-minded. Anarchy is more restrictive than even the most heavy-handed dictatorship. You'd have to always stay home just to defend your property.
When you say “the power” do you mean the physical ability, or the moral right?
Let's start with the moral right and go from there, we can move the former later.
Does a parent have the moral right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience among their children?
Does you boss have the moral right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience at your place of employment?
The parent accepts the responsibility for protecting the child from their own lack of mature judgement. This is like asking “do I have the right to push a drunk guy off the train tracks when the train is coming”. It’s a judgement call; you are put in a position to have to guess at what the person would want, and guessing they want to be saved from a clear and present danger is reasonable enough. The decision is rooted in defense of that individual, not in violating their right to free movement by pushing them; not in having authority to enforce obeying your will. A grey area, but the core principle is defense of their rights, not exercising your own perceived authority.
So no, the parent does not have authority, nor does the train hero. They are simply trying to defend the self-authority of the other person, as to sit back and watch them kill themselves would be contrary to what they would presumably choose, and here’s the key - they are not in a position to make a rational decision decision about it for themselves at that time.
Your boss does not have authority over YOU, he has “authority” (property rights) over his property - the business. I can tell you “don’t sit on my couch” but that is not authority over you personally. It’s rooted in my right to decide how my property is used.
You're right about one thing: it's pointless to argue with you because want to ram your definitions down our throats even though it has been explained to you countless times that your definition isn't the one we use. Words have multiple definitions, but you pretend only yours is the correct oneWhen you say “the power” do you mean the physical ability, or the moral right?
Let's start with the moral right and go from there, we can move the former later.
Does a parent have the moral right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience among their children?
Does you boss have the moral right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience at your place of employment?
The parent accepts the responsibility for protecting the child from their own lack of mature judgement. This is like asking “do I have the right to push a drunk guy off the train tracks when the train is coming”. It’s a judgement call; you are put in a position to have to guess at what the person would want, and guessing they want to be saved from a clear and present danger is reasonable enough. The decision is rooted in defense of that individual, not in violating their right to free movement by pushing them; not in having authority to enforce obeying your will. A grey area, but the core principle is defense of their rights, not exercising your own perceived authority.
So no, the parent does not have authority, nor does the train hero. They are simply trying to defend the self-authority of the other person, as to sit back and watch them kill themselves would be contrary to what they would presumably choose, and here’s the key - they are not in a position to make a rational decision decision about it for themselves at that time.
Your boss does not have authority over YOU, he has “authority” (property rights) over his property - the business. I can tell you “don’t sit on my couch” but that is not authority over you personally. It’s rooted in my right to decide how my property is used.
I do not think we can go any further with this conversation as we cannot even begin to agree on meaning of the key terms, thus is seems silly to go any further.
But when you tell me I do not have the authority to tell a child at the age of 6 what time to go to bed, then I cannot really go on any more.
Thank you for a wonderful conversation, it was thought provoking enough to get me to start listing to an audiobook on the subject.
When you say “the power” do you mean the physical ability, or the moral right?
Let's start with the moral right and go from there, we can move the former later.
Does a parent have the moral right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience among their children?
Does you boss have the moral right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience at your place of employment?
The parent accepts the responsibility for protecting the child from their own lack of mature judgement. This is like asking “do I have the right to push a drunk guy off the train tracks when the train is coming”. It’s a judgement call; you are put in a position to have to guess at what the person would want, and guessing they want to be saved from a clear and present danger is reasonable enough. The decision is rooted in defense of that individual, not in violating their right to free movement by pushing them; not in having authority to enforce obeying your will. A grey area, but the core principle is defense of their rights, not exercising your own perceived authority.
So no, the parent does not have authority, nor does the train hero. They are simply trying to defend the self-authority of the other person, as to sit back and watch them kill themselves would be contrary to what they would presumably choose, and here’s the key - they are not in a position to make a rational decision decision about it for themselves at that time.
Your boss does not have authority over YOU, he has “authority” (property rights) over his property - the business. I can tell you “don’t sit on my couch” but that is not authority over you personally. It’s rooted in my right to decide how my property is used.
When you say “the power” do you mean the physical ability, or the moral right?
Let's start with the moral right and go from there, we can move the former later.
Does a parent have the moral right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience among their children?
Does you boss have the moral right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience at your place of employment?
The parent accepts the responsibility for protecting the child from their own lack of mature judgement. This is like asking “do I have the right to push a drunk guy off the train tracks when the train is coming”. It’s a judgement call; you are put in a position to have to guess at what the person would want, and guessing they want to be saved from a clear and present danger is reasonable enough. The decision is rooted in defense of that individual, not in violating their right to free movement by pushing them; not in having authority to enforce obeying your will. A grey area, but the core principle is defense of their rights, not exercising your own perceived authority.
So no, the parent does not have authority, nor does the train hero. They are simply trying to defend the self-authority of the other person, as to sit back and watch them kill themselves would be contrary to what they would presumably choose, and here’s the key - they are not in a position to make a rational decision decision about it for themselves at that time.
Your boss does not have authority over YOU, he has “authority” (property rights) over his property - the business. I can tell you “don’t sit on my couch” but that is not authority over you personally. It’s rooted in my right to decide how my property is used.
I do not think we can go any further with this conversation as we cannot even begin to agree on meaning of the key terms, thus is seems silly to go any further.
But when you tell me I do not have the authority to tell a child at the age of 6 what time to go to bed, then I cannot really go on any more.
Thank you for a wonderful conversation, it was thought provoking enough to get me to start listing to an audiobook on the subject.
You're right about one thing: it's pointless to argue with you because want to ram your definitions down our throats even though it has been explained to you countless times that your definition isn't the one we use. Words have multiple definitions, but you pretend only yours is the correct oneWhen you say “the power” do you mean the physical ability, or the moral right?
Let's start with the moral right and go from there, we can move the former later.
Does a parent have the moral right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience among their children?
Does you boss have the moral right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience at your place of employment?
The parent accepts the responsibility for protecting the child from their own lack of mature judgement. This is like asking “do I have the right to push a drunk guy off the train tracks when the train is coming”. It’s a judgement call; you are put in a position to have to guess at what the person would want, and guessing they want to be saved from a clear and present danger is reasonable enough. The decision is rooted in defense of that individual, not in violating their right to free movement by pushing them; not in having authority to enforce obeying your will. A grey area, but the core principle is defense of their rights, not exercising your own perceived authority.
So no, the parent does not have authority, nor does the train hero. They are simply trying to defend the self-authority of the other person, as to sit back and watch them kill themselves would be contrary to what they would presumably choose, and here’s the key - they are not in a position to make a rational decision decision about it for themselves at that time.
Your boss does not have authority over YOU, he has “authority” (property rights) over his property - the business. I can tell you “don’t sit on my couch” but that is not authority over you personally. It’s rooted in my right to decide how my property is used.
I do not think we can go any further with this conversation as we cannot even begin to agree on meaning of the key terms, thus is seems silly to go any further.
But when you tell me I do not have the authority to tell a child at the age of 6 what time to go to bed, then I cannot really go on any more.
Thank you for a wonderful conversation, it was thought provoking enough to get me to start listing to an audiobook on the subject.
