'An Evangelical Manifesto' criticizes politics of faith

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    :shock: This couldn't possibly be. Everyone knows Christians are extremists and only in the far right where all 10% of them control the entire GOP.:rolleyes:
     
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    Yeah, This was wrote for the Presidents of the United States who want to us there religion to sell themselves. Like Bush did and like Obama is doing. The State the word God but they did not promote the teachings.
     
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    So they want them to be more compassionate about making the U.S. a theocracy so they make people feel warmer and fuzzier and not as threatened by them.

    Other than that, what's changed?
     
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    I think Reagan did, though.
    Sometimes I miss him, and I wish I'd been old enough to really appreciate him when he was president.
     
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    Reagan was a Global Elitist. He pathed the Way for Bush Sr to make his one-world government speech.
     
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    A theocracy? ROFLMAO! Oh come on. Apparently you are under the impression that devout, conservative Christians are some kind of weird and new phenomenon in this country. I guess you never realized that they have been here all along, were the majority for nearly its entire existence and what they created and always cherished was the representative democracy we have. What they don't want is to see that bastardized into yet another form of a known historical failure of a system like socialism or communism.

    Sorry jillian, it isn't devout, conservative Christians that are the new to this country. It is intolerant liberal atheists who are new. The same ones insisting that devout, conservative Christians want to create a theocracy. That may spin well for you, but not for anyone who studied history. ROFL
     
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    Liberals by their very nature are tolerant. Conservatives are not. That is why they are Conservatives. Are you now gonna change the meaning of that word, too? All the great changes in societies were were brought about by liberals. Conservatives are there to keep the status quo, not change it.
     
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    ROFLMAO! Oh sorry, hard to believe you actually mean that. Liberals are the most intolerant people I have EVER met. They only MOUTH words of tolerance but in reality, they are "tolerant" only of those who agree with them politically. Those who politically disagree they consider to be enemies of the country -as if the country only belongs to them.

    I have been on message boards where liberals say the Republican Party should be outlawed, conservatives thrown into prison, free speech restricted for political opponents of the liberal agenda, all religious practices banned and outlawed -and best of all, that using lies, distortions, deception and fabrications about issues or political opponents is completely acceptable. Because for liberals, the ends always justify the means -even if the only way to achieve those ends means deceiving people in the process. And since they believe this is acceptable they assume their political opponents also do the same thing. Of the entire political spectrum, liberals believe that people in general are stupid and incompetent. And this is the major underlying difference I have found between liberals and conservatives. Liberals believe people in general are too stupid to be trusted with important decisions and an elite should be making them instead.

    So don't give me any bs about "tolerant" liberals. Being "tolerant" and being "liberal" are mutually exclusive. In every government system where liberals ended up in total control, political opponents end up in prisons or psychiatric hospitals. If they are lucky.
     
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    Thanks for addressing my point...:rolleyes:

    In every liberal govt? You mean the Clinton years? Or here in NZ with Helen Clark? Or Australia under Keating and Rudd? Or England under Blair? France under Mitterand?

    You ever hear of Gitmo? Who started that shit? Are you Yanks more free now under Bush than you were eight years ago?

    The problem with Yanks is you don't believe in compromse. Why does Roomy (British), myself (NZer) or Diuretic (Oz) rarely complain about our govts? Are they perfect? No, but we have grown up enough to know that in the main, things are done by compromise. Both the average American conservative and average American liberals (on boards I've been on) would be at the extreme ends of our political spectrums. You guys need to get in the middle more. It skews your outlook on life and reduces your politics to nothing more than petty soundbites...
     
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    I'm sorry -but the word "conservative" refers to a POLITICAL position in reference to our system of government. Just as "liberal" does. When used politically, they are not words that describe someone's measure of "tolerance".

    Conservatives believe that our system of government should not be changed to resemble a form of government it was not intended to be. Certainly not an imitation of known historical failure of systems like socialism or communism. Our system has worked really well for more than 200 years and there is a reason it is the longest lasting continuous form of government although among the youngest of nations. In that respect, with regard to making significant changes in our system and how it functions - they are CONSERVATIVES.

    Likewise, the word "liberal" in politics refers to their belief that federal government should have a much more active role and even assume primary responsibility for the personal welfare of its citizens. Conservatives oppose that on several grounds. Conservatives believe that the individual has primary responsibility for his own welfare first, if federal government assumes primary responsibility it requires stripping citizens of the ability to make important decisions for themselves. And it can only be done with a more powerful and more centralized form of federal government. Something our founders deliberately tried NOT to do. The more centralized federal government is, the less power its citizens have and government is just that much further removed from its citizens -and the less satisfied citizens end up being. Conservatives believe that government that serves best is the government closest to those living under it and most responsive to those living directly under it -local and state. Not federal. Therefore they do not believe that for every possible problem and social ill, that more federal government is the answer or best answer. Liberals do -it is their stock answer in fact.

    A person can be a political conservative but a social liberal -there are many who are.
     

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