Americans spend more on their healthcare compared to any other country in the world. But we are not anywhere near having the best healthcare system.

[Harpy Eagle]

Yeah, thats why people fly over here for surgeries (when they can afford it)...because our health care system is so bad.

The OP is full of shit.

Our healthcare system is not bad if you have a lot of money.

Also, people from here fly all over the world to get medical treatments that are too expensive here. It is called Medical Tourism, look it up and educate yourself.

Not to mention for so many people their insurance is tied to their job. I had a friend/colleague die this past week, she had been sick since 2020. She could never quit her job no matter how bad she felt or how sick she was because she would have lost her insurance and left her family a life long medical debt to pay off.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Of course, the United States healthcare system should be given some credit. We have wonderful nurses, doctors, healthcare workers. Of course, we have a better healthcare system than much of the world. But again, just look at the fax America is the wealthiest and strongest country in the world… yet we do not have the best healthcare system. Yet we spend more money than any other country on our healthcare. So we should be number one when it comes to quality of healthcare, but we are not.

franklin take this to congress.....there aint nothing this forum can do for you.....

 

[rampart]

I would also point out these leftwing reports on health care spending in America also include the massive R & D investment by American pharmaceutical companies, expenses these lesser socialist countries don't incur. In other words America makes it possible for these non-contributing countries to operate on the cheap.

yet we american patients pay twce, in appropriations and the walgreens window.

 

[Harry Dresden]

You lost respect world wide when it was realised that your reputation for "Might" was something in the Past .
Of course being mostly grossly overweight and generally unhealthy does not inspire respect .

you need to get laid.....you are one ornery woman.....

 

[Arlette]

It ain't complicated.

Any attempt to implement Socialized Medicine (no matter what you call it) in the U.S. would be unconstitutional. Congress simply does not have the power to do it, despite what some Leftist charlatans try to tell their gullible supporters.

Therefore, it would take a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT to do it, and it is common knowledge that there is no national consensus on the need for Socialized Medicine, so a Constitutional Amendment will not happen in the foreseeable future. It is indeed noteworthy that none of the proponents of Socialized Medicine in Congress have even considered introducing the necessary Amendment, because they know there is no consensus.

From an economic standpoint, any attempt to convert ONE -SIXTH OF THE UNITED STATES ECONOMY into a government-run, socialist regime would be disastrous. Would doctors and other practitioners be willing to work for a government salary and benefits? Could "we" force them to do so without violating the Thirteenth Amendment? How would "we" transfer ownership of thousands and thousands of hospitals, clinics, nursing homes, etc., to government ownership. The level of FRAUD, WASTE, and ABUSE would be phenomenal.

It is easy to cherry-pick statistics to "prove" that healthcare in the U.S. sucks, but when the majority of the population finds it better than acceptable, good luck convincing "us" of that fact.

It is foolish to even have these discussions, even on line. It's like debating the erection of a highway to the moon. It ain't ever happening, so why debate it?

Where in the Constitution does it say we can't have universal, single payer health care?

 

[Harry Dresden]

It’s not rare to see for example a surgery or operation that would cost an American $50,000 …but if they go to a different country to get it done where the healthcare quality is just as good if not better the cost is under $5000.

Great men like Andrew Jackson and George Washington would not be happy with the healthcare situation in America today.

yea they would because the things that ailed them would be fixed today......like Washington would not have to wear wooden teeth....

 

[rampart]

Our healthcare system is not bad if you have a lot of money.

Also, people from here fly all over the world to get medical treatments that are too expensive here. It is called Medical Tourism, look it up and educate yourself.

Not to mention for so many people their insurance is tied to their job. I had a friend/colleague die this past week, she had been sick since 2020. She could never quit her job no matter how bad she felt or how sick she was because she would have lost her insurance and left her family a life long medical debt to pay off.

no one i know gets dental work here. there is a place in cozumel though i hate bein g in yucatan with my jaws tied up in gauze.

 

[Harry Dresden]

no one i know gets dental work here. there is a place in cozumel though i hate bein g in yucatan with my jaws tied up in gauze.

were is here?....

 

[Harpy Eagle]

In short, we must have free healthcare for all Americans

Nothing is free, it is stupid and dishonest to call it such.

 

[22lcidw]

Of course, the United States healthcare system should be given some credit. We have wonderful nurses, doctors, healthcare workers. Of course, we have a better healthcare system than much of the world. But again, just look at the fax America is the wealthiest and strongest country in the world… yet we do not have the best healthcare system. Yet we spend more money than any other country on our healthcare. So we should be number one when it comes to quality of healthcare, but we are not.

We have men and women who abuse the system. We have a system that has endless lawsuits pursued on overdrive.

 

[rampart]

Where in the Constitution does it say we can't have universal, single payer health care?

right under the part where we can't have a standing army. or that requires the president to launch a space telescope.

public health is "necessary and proper " under art. 1 sec 8.

 

[surada]

Yeah, no shit! When you flood the country with illegals who swamp our hospitals, where do you think the money comes from to pay for them? It comes out of OUR insurance costs.

So solve the problem of illegals and stop whining. Fine employers who hire illegals. Most will self deport in less than six months.

 

[alang1216]

Unfortunately, Democrats today don’t talk about this issue. They brainwashed their supporters to support Ukraine and Israel, and to support the evil idea that America has a racist imperialist history.

It used to be the that the Democratic Party under John Kennedy , Andrew Jackson and FDR , and other great men of our history stood up for what was right. Working toward things like a better healthcare system.

You were doing fine until this point. The Dems would love universal health care, it is the GOP that objects and hinders. Obamacare brought millions into the health care sphere and the GOP keeps trying to end it.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

So solve the problem of illegals and stop whining. Fine employers who hire illegals. Most will self deport in less than six months.

How about stop housing them, giving them anything. Or better yet send them back where they came from?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

no one i know gets dental work here. there is a place in cozumel though i hate bein g in yucatan with my jaws tied up in gauze.

Back when I lived in Yuma there was a massive influx of snow birds with their RVs, they lived in "slab cities" and they would all go down to Mexico and get their prescriptions filled for as long as they could, see the dentist and doctor for other things. This was prior to 9/11 so I suspect it is not as easy as it once was

 

[Burgermeister]

Of 11 high-income countries, the US has the most chronic illness and lowest life expectancy, in spite of a huge lead in spending. Of these countries, the US recommends the most vaccines, and only New Zealand and the US allow direct to consumer pharmaceutical ads. The US medical institution is about selling drugs and procedures, not cures.

Only RFK Jr. is talking about this -



He's also talking about the link between SSRIs and mass shootings -

And he calls out China for the covid virus -

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

It ain't complicated.

Any attempt to implement Socialized Medicine (no matter what you call it) in the U.S. would be unconstitutional. Congress simply does not have the power to do it, despite what some Leftist charlatans try to tell their gullible supporters.

Therefore, it would take a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT to do it, and it is common knowledge that there is no national consensus on the need for Socialized Medicine, so a Constitutional Amendment will not happen in the foreseeable future. It is indeed noteworthy that none of the proponents of Socialized Medicine in Congress have even considered introducing the necessary Amendment, because they know there is no consensus.

From an economic standpoint, any attempt to convert ONE -SIXTH OF THE UNITED STATES ECONOMY into a government-run, socialist regime would be disastrous. Would doctors and other practitioners be willing to work for a government salary and benefits? Could "we" force them to do so without violating the Thirteenth Amendment? How would "we" transfer ownership of thousands and thousands of hospitals, clinics, nursing homes, etc., to government ownership. The level of FRAUD, WASTE, and ABUSE would be phenomenal.

It is easy to cherry-pick statistics to "prove" that healthcare in the U.S. sucks, but when the majority of the population finds it better than acceptable, good luck convincing "us" of that fact.

It is foolish to even have these discussions, even on line. It's like debating the erection of a highway to the moon. It ain't ever happening, so why debate it?

Maybe there’s a different way other than government sponsored healthcare. Again trillions of dollar spent on invading Iraq hundreds of billions given to Israel, Ukraine and Egypt. Clearly that is a ton of money. It is an astronomical portion of money that was funded by the American taxpayers, are you going to call that socialism or communism?

If all that money was instead used toward healthcare for Americans. It would be a better system. Imagine $1 trillion used to build nursing homes in the USA.

We could have a better system that is the point. Many people in this country work hard and they support American ideals and then they get old and go to some state nursing home which is a very tough way to end their life. That’s not right. So surely there’s a better way. You see I think there’s a problem when you see Ferraris and Corvettes in the parking Lots of nursing homes, these cars are being driven by the owners of the for-profit nursing homes.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

Of 11 high-income countries, the US has the most chronic illness and lowest life expectancy, in spite of a huge lead in spending. Of these countries, the US recommends the most vaccines, and only New Zealand and the US allow direct to consumer pharmaceutical ads. The US medical institution is about selling drugs and procedures, not cures.

Only RFK Jr. is talking about this -



He's also talking about the link between SSRIs and mass shootings -

And he calls out China for the covid virus -

This is a very informative post. America’s one of the only if not the only country in the western world where we have a huge mass shooter problem. Mind you we did not have that issue in the 1940s and 1950s. We did not have an issue of mass school shooters in the American past.

Antidepressants became popular at some point in the 1980s. You point out very nicely that America is one of if not the only countries in the world where we have television commercials for drugs.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

You were doing fine until this point. The Dems would love universal health care, it is the GOP that objects and hinders. Obamacare brought millions into the health care sphere and the GOP keeps trying to end it.

I don’t see Democrats talking about that issue much. They’re making false claims that our economy under Biden is doing great when we have record homelessness in this country.

Democrats are dividing Americans by race, one of their major planks is BLM politics talking about this false idea that American history is evil and racist. That type of attitude was unheard of in the middle of the 20th century when Democrats cared about America. For a long time the United States has been the number one destination in the world for refugees and immigrants clearly because our system offers them the best at least that’s what they believe. And clearly America was one of the countries of world history that was the best fighter against slavery and racism.

Im not for communism in the USA . And Obamacare did not solve our problems. you see the statistics. America is the richest country in the world. Americans spend more in healthcare than any other country in the world yet we don’t have the best healthcare system. That’s not right. This isn’t about politics that simply doesn’t make any sense to have so much wealth in a country and not have the best healthcare system..


Many Americans would say we need to change things. It doesn’t necessarily mean national healthcare, but some kind of tweaks to the system. Things that make sense ie instead of spending trillions of dollars on unnecessary foreign wars use that money to make America a healthier place.

 

[Greenbeard]

Unfortunately, Democrats today don’t talk about this issue.

Democrats don't talk about health care? What planet are you on?

Not only are they the only ones talking about it, they're the only ones who've done anything about it in the last fifteen years.

Biden bill to help millions escape higher health care costs

Millions of people in the United States will be spared from big increases in health care costs next year after President Joe Biden signed legislation extending generous subsidies for those who buy plans through federal and state marketplaces.

apnews.com

Drugmakers agree to negotiate drug prices with government, White House says

The manufacturers of 10 prescription drugs — including Eliquis, Xarelto and Januvia — will take part in the negotiations.

www.nbcnews.com

Record number of Americans have signed up for Obamacare this year, HHS says

More than 15 million Americans, a record number, have signed up for the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, so far this year, according to the HHS.

abcnews.go.com

Health Spending Took Up a Smaller Share of US Economy in 2022

US health spending rose 4.1% to $4.5 trillion last year, an annual growth level more typical of pre-pandemic times.

www.bloomberg.com

Why haven’t health care cost increases exceeded inflation? There’s a very good reason

Why haven’t health care cost increases exceeded inflation in recent years? There’s a very good reason.

www.statnews.com