CDZ American workers competing with "world" workers

[Wyatt earp]

Last evening I dropped in on my son and found that he was hosting a party. It seems that my son is friends with a lot of fashion models....Well, "a lot" is probably the wrong term; there were seven that I met. Not big name ones, per se, but working ones nonetheless.

In chatting with his modeling friends I discovered that modeling in the fashion industry is a work situation in which the workers, the models, regardless of where they are from, compete with peers all over the world to get jobs. A designer wants models for a runway event or print engagement and the models who end up being chosen may be from a dozen different countries. American, French, Spanish, Italian, Ethiopian, South African, Mexican, Argentine, etc.models all competing to get the same job.

I thought that was interesting because I have seen folks on here griping about the challenges of competing with foreign labor. I think the complaints are nothing more than the bitching and moaning of people who just aren't willing to do what they need to do to competitively offer labor that buyers want to purchase.

Then, quite by chance, I come upon a small bevy of women who are very much regular women -- aside from being really good looking -- and who to get a job compete against foreign workers from around the world and on the most personal level possible, and they're thriving and making good livings. Do they get every modeling assignment they try for? No, but they keep at it and they get enough to make a decent living (the range is rather large, but the girls at the party ranged from ~$110K/year to $300K/year). Frankly, that's not bad money for being 18 to 20-something.

18 to 30 year old strippers make around the same amount so do high class escorts, I don't get what your point is?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Last evening I dropped in on my son and found that he was hosting a party. It seems that my son is friends with a lot of fashion models....Well, "a lot" is probably the wrong term; there were seven that I met. Not big name ones, per se, but working ones nonetheless.

In chatting with his modeling friends I discovered that modeling in the fashion industry is a work situation in which the workers, the models, regardless of where they are from, compete with peers all over the world to get jobs. A designer wants models for a runway event or print engagement and the models who end up being chosen may be from a dozen different countries. American, French, Spanish, Italian, Ethiopian, South African, Mexican, Argentine, etc.models all competing to get the same job.

I thought that was interesting because I have seen folks on here griping about the challenges of competing with foreign labor. I think the complaints are nothing more than the bitching and moaning of people who just aren't willing to do what they need to do to competitively offer labor that buyers want to purchase.

Then, quite by chance, I come upon a small bevy of women who are very much regular women -- aside from being really good looking -- and who to get a job compete against foreign workers from around the world and on the most personal level possible, and they're thriving and making good livings. Do they get every modeling assignment they try for? No, but they keep at it and they get enough to make a decent living (the range is rather large, but the girls at the party ranged from ~$110K/year to $300K/year). Frankly, that's not bad money for being 18 to 20-something.

In order to compete with the world, you have to be better than the others, or at least on par.

The funny thing is the right seem to want to dumb down education, rather than beef it up. It's strange, when has less skills been more desirable? It hasn't, it's just the US seems to want to go after lower paid jobs that can make one person richer, and the rest poorer, rather than trying for hi tech jobs where people are better off. It's strange, China is pushing to make their young highly educated, to get better jobs, and the US is going in the opposite direction...

Not in the RTW redstates...

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[usmbguest5318]

Last evening I dropped in on my son and found that he was hosting a party. It seems that my son is friends with a lot of fashion models....Well, "a lot" is probably the wrong term; there were seven that I met. Not big name ones, per se, but working ones nonetheless.

In chatting with his modeling friends I discovered that modeling in the fashion industry is a work situation in which the workers, the models, regardless of where they are from, compete with peers all over the world to get jobs. A designer wants models for a runway event or print engagement and the models who end up being chosen may be from a dozen different countries. American, French, Spanish, Italian, Ethiopian, South African, Mexican, Argentine, etc.models all competing to get the same job.

I thought that was interesting because I have seen folks on here griping about the challenges of competing with foreign labor. I think the complaints are nothing more than the bitching and moaning of people who just aren't willing to do what they need to do to competitively offer labor that buyers want to purchase.

Then, quite by chance, I come upon a small bevy of women who are very much regular women -- aside from being really good looking -- and who to get a job compete against foreign workers from around the world and on the most personal level possible, and they're thriving and making good livings. Do they get every modeling assignment they try for? No, but they keep at it and they get enough to make a decent living (the range is rather large, but the girls at the party ranged from ~$110K/year to $300K/year). Frankly, that's not bad money for being 18 to 20-something.

18 to 30 year old strippers make around the same amount so do high class escorts, I don't get what your point is?

18 to 30 year old strippers make around the same amount so do high class escorts, I don't get what your point is?

So be it.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The funny thing is the right seem to want to dumb down education, rather than beef it up. It's strange, when has less skills been more desirable? It hasn't, it's just the US seems to want to go after lower paid jobs that can make one person richer, and the rest poorer, rather than trying for hi tech jobs where people are better off.

There is no need to spend money on educating people you have no intention of employing at a later date. Why would you when you can move capital to any country on the planet and take benefit of a labor force that was educated on someone else's dime, or simply import them.

The more educated the people are, the higher the wages are, the better quality goods you produce.

But wow, your attitude is quite simply astounding, not surprising, I've seen many Americans, and people from other countries, most of them not very well educated, thinking that being less educated was better....

 

[Tehon]

The funny thing is the right seem to want to dumb down education, rather than beef it up. It's strange, when has less skills been more desirable? It hasn't, it's just the US seems to want to go after lower paid jobs that can make one person richer, and the rest poorer, rather than trying for hi tech jobs where people are better off.

There is no need to spend money on educating people you have no intention of employing at a later date. Why would you when you can move capital to any country on the planet and take benefit of a labor force that was educated on someone else's dime, or simply import them.

The more educated the people are, the higher the wages are, the better quality goods you produce.

But wow, your attitude is quite simply astounding, not surprising, I've seen many Americans, and people from other countries, most of them not very well educated, thinking that being less educated was better....

You misinterpret the cynical message in my post. Nice jab though.
The corporate community holds no allegiance to the American people. We are a world community now as far as they are concerned. Each man, women and child for themselves. No need to educate Americans when there is a whole world of low wage workers out there to exploit. All educated on someone else's dime.

 

[Dekster]

Last evening I dropped in on my son and found that he was hosting a party. It seems that my son is friends with a lot of fashion models....Well, "a lot" is probably the wrong term; there were seven that I met. Not big name ones, per se, but working ones nonetheless.

In chatting with his modeling friends I discovered that modeling in the fashion industry is a work situation in which the workers, the models, regardless of where they are from, compete with peers all over the world to get jobs. A designer wants models for a runway event or print engagement and the models who end up being chosen may be from a dozen different countries. American, French, Spanish, Italian, Ethiopian, South African, Mexican, Argentine, etc.models all competing to get the same job.

I thought that was interesting because I have seen folks on here griping about the challenges of competing with foreign labor. I think the complaints are nothing more than the bitching and moaning of people who just aren't willing to do what they need to do to competitively offer labor that buyers want to purchase.

Then, quite by chance, I come upon a small bevy of women who are very much regular women -- aside from being really good looking -- and who to get a job compete against foreign workers from around the world and on the most personal level possible, and they're thriving and making good livings. Do they get every modeling assignment they try for? No, but they keep at it and they get enough to make a decent living (the range is rather large, but the girls at the party ranged from ~$110K/year to $300K/year). Frankly, that's not bad money for being 18 to 20-something.

Models get visa priority as people of extraordinary talent. The people wondering through the desert with milk jugs of water not so much.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The funny thing is the right seem to want to dumb down education, rather than beef it up. It's strange, when has less skills been more desirable? It hasn't, it's just the US seems to want to go after lower paid jobs that can make one person richer, and the rest poorer, rather than trying for hi tech jobs where people are better off.

There is no need to spend money on educating people you have no intention of employing at a later date. Why would you when you can move capital to any country on the planet and take benefit of a labor force that was educated on someone else's dime, or simply import them.

The more educated the people are, the higher the wages are, the better quality goods you produce.

But wow, your attitude is quite simply astounding, not surprising, I've seen many Americans, and people from other countries, most of them not very well educated, thinking that being less educated was better....

Your not taking into account profit margins in manufacturing, you can only pay them so much if a part say like in plastics you are getting only pennies a piece, even high end machined auto parts only a few dollars. Germany does it by making highly complex and close tolerance parts and machinery that not many countries can match..

 

[Wyatt earp]

The funny thing is the right seem to want to dumb down education, rather than beef it up. It's strange, when has less skills been more desirable? It hasn't, it's just the US seems to want to go after lower paid jobs that can make one person richer, and the rest poorer, rather than trying for hi tech jobs where people are better off.

There is no need to spend money on educating people you have no intention of employing at a later date. Why would you when you can move capital to any country on the planet and take benefit of a labor force that was educated on someone else's dime, or simply import them.

The more educated the people are, the higher the wages are, the better quality goods you produce.

But wow, your attitude is quite simply astounding, not surprising, I've seen many Americans, and people from other countries, most of them not very well educated, thinking that being less educated was better....

You misinterpret the cynical message in my post.
The corporate community holds no allegiance to the American people. We are a world community now as far as they are concerned. Each man, women and child for themselves. No need to educate Americans when there is a whole world of low wage workers out there to exploit. All educated on someone else's dime.

Are we see this with our immigrant h1 visas (or what ever it is called) with big corporations taking advantage of (60 minutes did a piece on this problem last Sunday)IT companies abusing it by replacing $100,000 dollar a year plus workers with $60,000 dollar a year guest foreign workers, ( that's why big companies like google and apple sued Trump over his E. O. Over the immigrant ban and stupid liberals applauded them for doing so) also heck we all know Disney did it with low pay workers and it was just on the news that Trump Jr kids winery company aplied for 28 of them.


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[usmbguest5318]

Last evening I dropped in on my son and found that he was hosting a party. It seems that my son is friends with a lot of fashion models....Well, "a lot" is probably the wrong term; there were seven that I met. Not big name ones, per se, but working ones nonetheless.

In chatting with his modeling friends I discovered that modeling in the fashion industry is a work situation in which the workers, the models, regardless of where they are from, compete with peers all over the world to get jobs. A designer wants models for a runway event or print engagement and the models who end up being chosen may be from a dozen different countries. American, French, Spanish, Italian, Ethiopian, South African, Mexican, Argentine, etc.models all competing to get the same job.

I thought that was interesting because I have seen folks on here griping about the challenges of competing with foreign labor. I think the complaints are nothing more than the bitching and moaning of people who just aren't willing to do what they need to do to competitively offer labor that buyers want to purchase.

Then, quite by chance, I come upon a small bevy of women who are very much regular women -- aside from being really good looking -- and who to get a job compete against foreign workers from around the world and on the most personal level possible, and they're thriving and making good livings. Do they get every modeling assignment they try for? No, but they keep at it and they get enough to make a decent living (the range is rather large, but the girls at the party ranged from ~$110K/year to $300K/year). Frankly, that's not bad money for being 18 to 20-something.

milk jugs of water

I'm going to have to remember that one. I know will come the day when that is the perfect punchline to something.

Here's a guy milking a cow for water to put in his jug.

Perhaps you had in mind the good old days when America was great.

For many a milman, the perqs beat the pay.
For many a woman, the milkman made their day.
That's easy to understand in every way,
For "comes" twice is of the milkman what wives say.​

Models get visa priority as people of extraordinary talent. The people wondering through the desert with milk jugs of water not so much.

Please, tell me you don't seriously mean/think that.

What has visa priority to do with anything pertaining to Americans being able to compete in a global labor market? Nothing.

• VISA Free Countries For US Citizens - Global Immigration

Americans can go to the overwhelming majority of nations on the planet and upon presenting a U.S. passport, be instantly welcomed into the country. A woman from a nation where are routinely found "people wondering [sic] through the desert with milk jugs of water" literally lacks the freedom of movement about the planet to compete on a level playing field with American models.

Just how long do you think the window is between a designer starting the model selection process and actually selecting one? Long enough for a beautiful woman from a "milk jugs of water" country to apply for a visa, be "extremely vetted" and then show up to audition? No, they aren't going to wait that long to interview a woman who, for all the designer knows, isn't any better or worse than any other model whom they may select.

If there's anyone who's most able to compete in a global labor market, it's Americans, not people from "milk jugs of water" countries.


The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself.
-- Ecclesiastes 10:12

 

[frigidweirdo]

The funny thing is the right seem to want to dumb down education, rather than beef it up. It's strange, when has less skills been more desirable? It hasn't, it's just the US seems to want to go after lower paid jobs that can make one person richer, and the rest poorer, rather than trying for hi tech jobs where people are better off.

There is no need to spend money on educating people you have no intention of employing at a later date. Why would you when you can move capital to any country on the planet and take benefit of a labor force that was educated on someone else's dime, or simply import them.

The more educated the people are, the higher the wages are, the better quality goods you produce.

But wow, your attitude is quite simply astounding, not surprising, I've seen many Americans, and people from other countries, most of them not very well educated, thinking that being less educated was better....

You misinterpret the cynical message in my post. Nice jab though.
The corporate community holds no allegiance to the American people. We are a world community now as far as they are concerned. Each man, women and child for themselves. No need to educate Americans when there is a whole world of low wage workers out there to exploit. All educated on someone else's dime.

Well the corporate community is made up of shareholders and workers who are from all over. The US lives in the international environment, it makes a lot of money from being a big international player. The dollar is stable and important because of this. After a hundred years of getting richer screwing others over, the US suddenly finds other countries making money, and then the people get angry at this.

Instead of rising up to the challenge of competing (you know, the concept of capitalism), the US is looking for ways to stay ahead that make no sense at all.

 

[Onyx]

Harmful restrictions on whom?

Everyone. Strong sustainable economies require a lack of external protections, whether they be on dying industries or stagnant mega-corporations.

 

[Tehon]

Are we see this with our immigrant h1 visas (or what ever it is called) with big corporations taking advantage of (60 minutes did a piece on this problem last Sunday)IT companies abusing it by replacing $100,000 dollar a year plus workers with $60,000 dollar a year guest foreign workers,

Yes, exactly my point. Except they are not abusing it, they are acting rationally.

 

[Tehon]

The funny thing is the right seem to want to dumb down education, rather than beef it up. It's strange, when has less skills been more desirable? It hasn't, it's just the US seems to want to go after lower paid jobs that can make one person richer, and the rest poorer, rather than trying for hi tech jobs where people are better off.

There is no need to spend money on educating people you have no intention of employing at a later date. Why would you when you can move capital to any country on the planet and take benefit of a labor force that was educated on someone else's dime, or simply import them.

The more educated the people are, the higher the wages are, the better quality goods you produce.

But wow, your attitude is quite simply astounding, not surprising, I've seen many Americans, and people from other countries, most of them not very well educated, thinking that being less educated was better....

You misinterpret the cynical message in my post. Nice jab though.
The corporate community holds no allegiance to the American people. We are a world community now as far as they are concerned. Each man, women and child for themselves. No need to educate Americans when there is a whole world of low wage workers out there to exploit. All educated on someone else's dime.

Well the corporate community is made up of shareholders and workers who are from all over. The US lives in the international environment, it makes a lot of money from being a big international player. The dollar is stable and important because of this. After a hundred years of getting richer screwing others over, the US suddenly finds other countries making money, and then the people get angry at this.

Instead of rising up to the challenge of competing (you know, the concept of capitalism), the US is looking for ways to stay ahead that make no sense at all.

After a hundred years of getting richer screwing others over, the US suddenly finds other countries making money, and then the people get angry at this.

Who is mad about that?

Instead of rising up to the challenge of competing (you know, the concept of capitalism), the US is looking for ways to stay ahead that make no sense at all.

It makes no sense to you because you keep thinking in terms of national interest when the players involved have evolved into a new way of thinking. They have little use for national interest, aside from keeping the unit of currency that they conduct business in strong.

 

[Tehon]

Harmful restrictions on whom?

Everyone. Strong sustainable economies require a lack of external protections, whether they be on dying industries or stagnant mega-corporations.

Strong sustainable economies require a lack of external protections, whether they be on dying industries or stagnant mega-corporations.

No they don't. Without protections the capitalist economic system collapses due to its inherent contradictions. True story.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The funny thing is the right seem to want to dumb down education, rather than beef it up. It's strange, when has less skills been more desirable? It hasn't, it's just the US seems to want to go after lower paid jobs that can make one person richer, and the rest poorer, rather than trying for hi tech jobs where people are better off.

There is no need to spend money on educating people you have no intention of employing at a later date. Why would you when you can move capital to any country on the planet and take benefit of a labor force that was educated on someone else's dime, or simply import them.

The more educated the people are, the higher the wages are, the better quality goods you produce.

But wow, your attitude is quite simply astounding, not surprising, I've seen many Americans, and people from other countries, most of them not very well educated, thinking that being less educated was better....

You misinterpret the cynical message in my post. Nice jab though.
The corporate community holds no allegiance to the American people. We are a world community now as far as they are concerned. Each man, women and child for themselves. No need to educate Americans when there is a whole world of low wage workers out there to exploit. All educated on someone else's dime.

Well the corporate community is made up of shareholders and workers who are from all over. The US lives in the international environment, it makes a lot of money from being a big international player. The dollar is stable and important because of this. After a hundred years of getting richer screwing others over, the US suddenly finds other countries making money, and then the people get angry at this.

Instead of rising up to the challenge of competing (you know, the concept of capitalism), the US is looking for ways to stay ahead that make no sense at all.

After a hundred years of getting richer screwing others over, the US suddenly finds other countries making money, and then the people get angry at this.

Who is mad about that?

Instead of rising up to the challenge of competing (you know, the concept of capitalism), the US is looking for ways to stay ahead that make no sense at all.

It makes no sense to you because you keep thinking in terms of national interest when the players involved have evolved into a new way of thinking. They have little use for national interest, aside from keeping the unit of currency that they conduct business in strong.

Who is getting mad? Well, people like Trump calling for protectionism and shying away from international capitalism they had trumpeted for a long time.

It makes no sense to me because people are willing to think differently, in ways that don't really make much sense at all. You're not wrong. However if the people controlled govt, it might be different, but they don't, and Trump saying he is the people is just a slap in the face for the people.

 

[Correll]

Manufacturing jobs vs modeling jobs. Talk about a fallacious comparison.

The comparison I made isn't that of manufacturing to modeling, but rather that of one group of people identifying that be their marketable ability and then selling it to people who want to buy it, and another group of people not doing the same.

I was also noting that the competition for a given job cannot be more profound than that of one person literally and directly having to compete with another for a given job. For the models I met, when they go on a job interview, they compete with women from around the world and they succeed. Moreover, they often enough have to leave their home geography to get work, and guess what, that's what they do because that's where the work is. In other instances, they may have to accept work assignments they don't like doing, but they do it because they need to get paid.

Why should one not expect that same work ethic from all workers? I've done the same. I've taken assignments overseas, across the country, in the middle of the country, etc. because the client who wanted my labor was overseas and there wasn't one in my hometown who did. I needed to get paid, so I went where the work was.

What is the benefit to America or Americans in these fashion jobs going to non-American models?

 

[Tehon]

There is no need to spend money on educating people you have no intention of employing at a later date. Why would you when you can move capital to any country on the planet and take benefit of a labor force that was educated on someone else's dime, or simply import them.

The more educated the people are, the higher the wages are, the better quality goods you produce.

But wow, your attitude is quite simply astounding, not surprising, I've seen many Americans, and people from other countries, most of them not very well educated, thinking that being less educated was better....

You misinterpret the cynical message in my post. Nice jab though.
The corporate community holds no allegiance to the American people. We are a world community now as far as they are concerned. Each man, women and child for themselves. No need to educate Americans when there is a whole world of low wage workers out there to exploit. All educated on someone else's dime.

Well the corporate community is made up of shareholders and workers who are from all over. The US lives in the international environment, it makes a lot of money from being a big international player. The dollar is stable and important because of this. After a hundred years of getting richer screwing others over, the US suddenly finds other countries making money, and then the people get angry at this.

Instead of rising up to the challenge of competing (you know, the concept of capitalism), the US is looking for ways to stay ahead that make no sense at all.

After a hundred years of getting richer screwing others over, the US suddenly finds other countries making money, and then the people get angry at this.

Who is mad about that?

Instead of rising up to the challenge of competing (you know, the concept of capitalism), the US is looking for ways to stay ahead that make no sense at all.

It makes no sense to you because you keep thinking in terms of national interest when the players involved have evolved into a new way of thinking. They have little use for national interest, aside from keeping the unit of currency that they conduct business in strong.

Who is getting mad? Well, people like Trump calling for protectionism and shying away from international capitalism they had trumpeted for a long time.

It makes no sense to me because people are willing to think differently, in ways that don't really make much sense at all. You're not wrong. However if the people controlled govt, it might be different, but they don't, and Trump saying he is the people is just a slap in the face for the people.

However if the people controlled govt, it might be different, but they don't, and Trump saying he is the people is just a slap in the face for the people.

Yes! But the people aren't perceptive enough nor intellectually honest enough to see it.
We don't educate our people because we (the people) don't demand it. We still believe our politicians have our best interests at heart. They don't. They represent the capital interests that support them financially. And those interests have no concern whether Americans are educated or not because the labor pool has been expanded by free market ideology.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The more educated the people are, the higher the wages are, the better quality goods you produce.

But wow, your attitude is quite simply astounding, not surprising, I've seen many Americans, and people from other countries, most of them not very well educated, thinking that being less educated was better....

You misinterpret the cynical message in my post. Nice jab though.
The corporate community holds no allegiance to the American people. We are a world community now as far as they are concerned. Each man, women and child for themselves. No need to educate Americans when there is a whole world of low wage workers out there to exploit. All educated on someone else's dime.

Well the corporate community is made up of shareholders and workers who are from all over. The US lives in the international environment, it makes a lot of money from being a big international player. The dollar is stable and important because of this. After a hundred years of getting richer screwing others over, the US suddenly finds other countries making money, and then the people get angry at this.

Instead of rising up to the challenge of competing (you know, the concept of capitalism), the US is looking for ways to stay ahead that make no sense at all.

After a hundred years of getting richer screwing others over, the US suddenly finds other countries making money, and then the people get angry at this.

Who is mad about that?

Instead of rising up to the challenge of competing (you know, the concept of capitalism), the US is looking for ways to stay ahead that make no sense at all.

It makes no sense to you because you keep thinking in terms of national interest when the players involved have evolved into a new way of thinking. They have little use for national interest, aside from keeping the unit of currency that they conduct business in strong.

Who is getting mad? Well, people like Trump calling for protectionism and shying away from international capitalism they had trumpeted for a long time.

It makes no sense to me because people are willing to think differently, in ways that don't really make much sense at all. You're not wrong. However if the people controlled govt, it might be different, but they don't, and Trump saying he is the people is just a slap in the face for the people.

However if the people controlled govt, it might be different, but they don't, and Trump saying he is the people is just a slap in the face for the people.

Yes! But the people aren't perceptive enough nor intellectually honest enough to see it.
We don't educate our people because we (the people) don't demand it. We still believe our politicians have our best interests at heart. They don't. They represent the capital interests that support them financially. And those interests have no concern whether Americans are educated or not because the labor pool has been expanded by free market ideology.

And the people don't demand it because the rich tell them that they don't need it. The right especially work off people not knowing things and not caring. The less intelligent they are, the more they're going to support war, the war which makes the defense industry rich, which gives lots of money to politicians who support the defense industry. They tell people money is the only thing that is important and the people believe.

 

[Tehon]

You misinterpret the cynical message in my post. Nice jab though.
The corporate community holds no allegiance to the American people. We are a world community now as far as they are concerned. Each man, women and child for themselves. No need to educate Americans when there is a whole world of low wage workers out there to exploit. All educated on someone else's dime.

Well the corporate community is made up of shareholders and workers who are from all over. The US lives in the international environment, it makes a lot of money from being a big international player. The dollar is stable and important because of this. After a hundred years of getting richer screwing others over, the US suddenly finds other countries making money, and then the people get angry at this.

Instead of rising up to the challenge of competing (you know, the concept of capitalism), the US is looking for ways to stay ahead that make no sense at all.

After a hundred years of getting richer screwing others over, the US suddenly finds other countries making money, and then the people get angry at this.

Who is mad about that?

Instead of rising up to the challenge of competing (you know, the concept of capitalism), the US is looking for ways to stay ahead that make no sense at all.

It makes no sense to you because you keep thinking in terms of national interest when the players involved have evolved into a new way of thinking. They have little use for national interest, aside from keeping the unit of currency that they conduct business in strong.

Who is getting mad? Well, people like Trump calling for protectionism and shying away from international capitalism they had trumpeted for a long time.

It makes no sense to me because people are willing to think differently, in ways that don't really make much sense at all. You're not wrong. However if the people controlled govt, it might be different, but they don't, and Trump saying he is the people is just a slap in the face for the people.

However if the people controlled govt, it might be different, but they don't, and Trump saying he is the people is just a slap in the face for the people.

Yes! But the people aren't perceptive enough nor intellectually honest enough to see it.
We don't educate our people because we (the people) don't demand it. We still believe our politicians have our best interests at heart. They don't. They represent the capital interests that support them financially. And those interests have no concern whether Americans are educated or not because the labor pool has been expanded by free market ideology.

And the people don't demand it because the rich tell them that they don't need it. The right especially work off people not knowing things and not caring. The less intelligent they are, the more they're going to support war, the war which makes the defense industry rich, which gives lots of money to politicians who support the defense industry. They tell people money is the only thing that is important and the people believe.

And the people don't demand it because the rich tell them that they don't need it.

Yes, and the people are kept in a constant state of confusion. And for that you can't discount what is typically thought of as a liberal institution, the media. Print or otherwise, they have all succumbed to corporate pressures.

 

[Correll]

So, open question. What benefit is there to America or Americans by Modeling being internationally competitive?