American criminals shoot to kill, British criminals shoot to wound, they all have guns....

[LoneLaugher]

There were 4000 defensive uses of firearms in the US yesterday. There will be 4000 today. And 4000 tomorrow. And every day after that.

If that doesn't sound insane to you, you might be a retard.

No....you are a moron.....actual research by trained researchers from both government and private research groups have found that defensive gun use is done in large numbers in this country.....41 years of research...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

You are spamming the forum with that post. It doesn't help you to spam the forum.

What is the number that YOU believe is accurate?

How many per year? Go on the record.

 

[2aguy]

There were 4000 defensive uses of firearms in the US yesterday. There will be 4000 today. And 4000 tomorrow. And every day after that.

If that doesn't sound insane to you, you might be a retard.

No....you are a moron.....actual research by trained researchers from both government and private research groups have found that defensive gun use is done in large numbers in this country.....41 years of research...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

You are spamming the forum with that post. It doesn't help you to spam the forum.

What is the number that YOU believe is accurate?

How many per year? Go on the record.

I believe the Clinton Department of Justice number....1,500,000 times a year...the two guys he hired are anti gun activists who set out to prove Dr. Gary Kleck and his study wrong...and ended up pretty much proving Dr. Kleck was right.....

And then you had obama pay the CDC 10 million dollars, in 2013.... to study all the available research and they confirmed that the Clinton research was accurate.......

 

[LoneLaugher]

There were 4000 defensive uses of firearms in the US yesterday. There will be 4000 today. And 4000 tomorrow. And every day after that.

If that doesn't sound insane to you, you might be a retard.

No....you are a moron.....actual research by trained researchers from both government and private research groups have found that defensive gun use is done in large numbers in this country.....41 years of research...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

You are spamming the forum with that post. It doesn't help you to spam the forum.

What is the number that YOU believe is accurate?

How many per year? Go on the record.

I believe the Clinton Department of Justice number....1,500,000 times a year...the two guys he hired are anti gun activists who set out to prove Dr. Gary Kleck and his study wrong...and ended up pretty much proving Dr. Kleck was right.....

And then you had obama pay the CDC 10 million dollars, in 2013.... to study all the available research and they confirmed that the Clinton research was accurate.......

So....you think it happens 4000 times per day.


That is awesome. Four thousand per day.

You actually believe that.

 

[2aguy]

There were 4000 defensive uses of firearms in the US yesterday. There will be 4000 today. And 4000 tomorrow. And every day after that.

If that doesn't sound insane to you, you might be a retard.

No....you are a moron.....actual research by trained researchers from both government and private research groups have found that defensive gun use is done in large numbers in this country.....41 years of research...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

You are spamming the forum with that post. It doesn't help you to spam the forum.

What is the number that YOU believe is accurate?

How many per year? Go on the record.

I believe the Clinton Department of Justice number....1,500,000 times a year...the two guys he hired are anti gun activists who set out to prove Dr. Gary Kleck and his study wrong...and ended up pretty much proving Dr. Kleck was right.....

And then you had obama pay the CDC 10 million dollars, in 2013.... to study all the available research and they confirmed that the Clinton research was accurate.......

So....you think it happens 4000 times per day.


That is awesome. Four thousand per day.

You actually believe that.

Yes...I do.....we have over 320 million Americans in this country and now over 17 million of them carry guns for self defense......I see just the stories covered by the democrat press...when they can't avoid covering them, and since most defensive uses never involve firing the gun how do you figure that number isn't possible?

Considering how many studies there are that put the number even higher, 1,500,000 times a year is reasonable...

 

[LoneLaugher]

There were 4000 defensive uses of firearms in the US yesterday. There will be 4000 today. And 4000 tomorrow. And every day after that.

If that doesn't sound insane to you, you might be a retard.

No....you are a moron.....actual research by trained researchers from both government and private research groups have found that defensive gun use is done in large numbers in this country.....41 years of research...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

You are spamming the forum with that post. It doesn't help you to spam the forum.

What is the number that YOU believe is accurate?

How many per year? Go on the record.

I believe the Clinton Department of Justice number....1,500,000 times a year...the two guys he hired are anti gun activists who set out to prove Dr. Gary Kleck and his study wrong...and ended up pretty much proving Dr. Kleck was right.....

And then you had obama pay the CDC 10 million dollars, in 2013.... to study all the available research and they confirmed that the Clinton research was accurate.......

So....you think it happens 4000 times per day.


That is awesome. Four thousand per day.

You actually believe that.

Yes...I do.....we have over 320 million Americans in this country and now over 17 million of them carry guns for self defense......I see just the stories covered by the democrat press...when they can't avoid covering them, and since most defensive uses never involve firing the gun how do you figure that number isn't possible?

Considering how many studies there are that put the number even higher, 1,500,000 times a year is reasonable...

It is insane.

You have not thought it through. Your signature issue and you believe something that could never be true.

Sad.

 

[2aguy]

No....you are a moron.....actual research by trained researchers from both government and private research groups have found that defensive gun use is done in large numbers in this country.....41 years of research...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

You are spamming the forum with that post. It doesn't help you to spam the forum.

What is the number that YOU believe is accurate?

How many per year? Go on the record.

I believe the Clinton Department of Justice number....1,500,000 times a year...the two guys he hired are anti gun activists who set out to prove Dr. Gary Kleck and his study wrong...and ended up pretty much proving Dr. Kleck was right.....

And then you had obama pay the CDC 10 million dollars, in 2013.... to study all the available research and they confirmed that the Clinton research was accurate.......

So....you think it happens 4000 times per day.


That is awesome. Four thousand per day.

You actually believe that.

Yes...I do.....we have over 320 million Americans in this country and now over 17 million of them carry guns for self defense......I see just the stories covered by the democrat press...when they can't avoid covering them, and since most defensive uses never involve firing the gun how do you figure that number isn't possible?

Considering how many studies there are that put the number even higher, 1,500,000 times a year is reasonable...

It is insane.

You have not thought it through. Your signature issue and you believe something that could never be true.

Sad.

And you know this how? Have you actually done research on the topic? Compared to the anti gun researchers bill clinton used for the Department of Justice study that found 1,500,000 times a year that Americans use their guns to stop criminals?

Actual research, by trained researchers trying to prove your side of the argument...backed up by all the other studies I listed...many of them by anti gun researchers...

Remember, Dr. Gary Kleck was also an anti gun researcher when he did his research.......

Anti gun researchers found that number...they are not NRA researchers.....and they found 1,500,000 gun self defense acts on average each year...

 

[LoneLaugher]

You are spamming the forum with that post. It doesn't help you to spam the forum.

What is the number that YOU believe is accurate?

How many per year? Go on the record.

I believe the Clinton Department of Justice number....1,500,000 times a year...the two guys he hired are anti gun activists who set out to prove Dr. Gary Kleck and his study wrong...and ended up pretty much proving Dr. Kleck was right.....

And then you had obama pay the CDC 10 million dollars, in 2013.... to study all the available research and they confirmed that the Clinton research was accurate.......

So....you think it happens 4000 times per day.


That is awesome. Four thousand per day.

You actually believe that.

Yes...I do.....we have over 320 million Americans in this country and now over 17 million of them carry guns for self defense......I see just the stories covered by the democrat press...when they can't avoid covering them, and since most defensive uses never involve firing the gun how do you figure that number isn't possible?

Considering how many studies there are that put the number even higher, 1,500,000 times a year is reasonable...

It is insane.

You have not thought it through. Your signature issue and you believe something that could never be true.

Sad.

And you know this how? Have you actually done research on the topic? Compared to the anti gun researchers bill clinton used for the Department of Justice study that found 1,500,000 times a year that Americans use their guns to stop criminals?

Actual research, by trained researchers trying to prove your side of the argument...backed up by all the other studies I listed...many of them by anti gun researchers...

Remember, Dr. Gary Kleck was also an anti gun researcher when he did his research.......

Anti gun researchers found that number...they are not NRA researchers.....and they found 1,500,000 gun self defense acts on average each year...

Dude. Please. I looked into that study. It is not considered accurate by normal people.

Just think about it. Four thousand times per day.

What is wrong with you?

 

[2aguy]

I believe the Clinton Department of Justice number....1,500,000 times a year...the two guys he hired are anti gun activists who set out to prove Dr. Gary Kleck and his study wrong...and ended up pretty much proving Dr. Kleck was right.....

And then you had obama pay the CDC 10 million dollars, in 2013.... to study all the available research and they confirmed that the Clinton research was accurate.......

So....you think it happens 4000 times per day.


That is awesome. Four thousand per day.

You actually believe that.

Yes...I do.....we have over 320 million Americans in this country and now over 17 million of them carry guns for self defense......I see just the stories covered by the democrat press...when they can't avoid covering them, and since most defensive uses never involve firing the gun how do you figure that number isn't possible?

Considering how many studies there are that put the number even higher, 1,500,000 times a year is reasonable...

It is insane.

You have not thought it through. Your signature issue and you believe something that could never be true.

Sad.

And you know this how? Have you actually done research on the topic? Compared to the anti gun researchers bill clinton used for the Department of Justice study that found 1,500,000 times a year that Americans use their guns to stop criminals?

Actual research, by trained researchers trying to prove your side of the argument...backed up by all the other studies I listed...many of them by anti gun researchers...

Remember, Dr. Gary Kleck was also an anti gun researcher when he did his research.......

Anti gun researchers found that number...they are not NRA researchers.....and they found 1,500,000 gun self defense acts on average each year...

Dude. Please. I looked into that study. It is not considered accurate by normal people.

Just think about it. Four thousand times per day.

What is wrong with you?

Moron, I have looked at the study.....both Kleck's and clinton's .....and their methodolgy is accurate........in fact, as Kleck points out, they probably have more self defense since under reporting back then was more likely.......

This is Kleck responding to criticism of his study a few years ago.....

Defensive Gun Use Is Not a Myth

The authors, a couple of Oklahoma investment counselors with no graduate degrees, do not claim to have had any training in survey research methods. Like Hemenway (who is also untrained in survey methods), they believe that it’s perfectly plausible that surveys generate enormous over-estimates of crime-related experiences, as if this were the most commonplace thing in the world. The reality that survey experts are familiar with, however, is that surveys of the general public simply do not overestimate crime-related experiences.

In order for a survey respondent to report a typical DGU, she or he must be willing to report all three of the following elements of the event: (1) a crime victimization experience, (2) his or her possession of a gun, and (3) his or her own commission of a crime. The last element is relevant because most DGUs occur away from the user’s home, and only about 1 percent of the population in 1993, when we conducted our survey, had a permit that allowed them to legally carry a gun through public spaces. Thus, although survey-reported defensive gun uses themselves rarely involve criminal behavior (that is, the defender did not use the gun to commit a criminal assault or other offense), most (at least back in 1993) involved unlawful possession of a gun in a public place by the defender.

So what does research on the flaws in surveys of crime-related behaviors tell us? It consistently indicates that survey respondents underreport (1) crime victimization experiences, (2) gun ownership and (3) their own illegal behavior. While it is true that a few respondents overstate their crime-related experiences, they are greatly outnumbered by those who understate them, i.e. those who falsely deny having the experience when in fact they did. In sum, research tells us that surveys underestimate the frequency of crime victimizations, gun possession and self-reported illegal behavior. Yet DeFilippis and Hughes somehow manage to conclude that defensive gun uses—incidents that always involve the first two of those elements, and usually the third as well—are overestimated in surveys.

Like Hemenway, DeFilippis and Hughes fail to understand the most fundamental logical issue regarding whether surveys under or overestimate the frequency of defensive gun use. The point at issue is not whether there are “false positive” responses, i.e. respondents saying “yes, they used their gun defensively” when the correct answer was “no.” No one has ever disputed that there are some false positives in these surveys. But this by itself can tell us nothing about whether DGU estimates are too high or too low overall. Even if false positives were numerous, false negatives (when a respondent falsely denies a DGU that actually occurred) could be (and, according to extensive research, are) even more common. In that case, survey estimates of DGU frequency would be too low, not the enormous overestimate that DeFilippis and Hughes believe in. Since neither of those authors nor Hemenway—nor any other critics for that matter—have ever made the slightest effort to estimate the number of false negatives, they cannot possibly know whether false positives outnumber false negatives and therefore have no logical foundation whatsoever for their claims that erroneous responses to DGU questions result in an overestimate of DGU frequency.

The authors’ discussion of possible flaws in survey estimates of DGU frequency is conspicuously one-sided, addressing only supposed flaws that could make the estimates too high—but none that could make the estimates too low. As mentioned above, they say nothing about the well-documented failure of many survey respondents to report criminal victimization, gun ownership or their own crimes. Likewise, they do not mention that our estimates did not include any DGUs by adolescent crime victims, even though adolescents are more likely to be crime victims than adults, and just as likely to carry guns, albeit illegally.

To summarize, notwithstanding DeFilippis and Hughes’ one-sided cherry-picking of the research evidence, surveys do not overestimate the number of DGUs (or anything else crime-related), and at least 18 national surveys have consistently confirmed that DGUs are very common, probably more common than criminal uses of guns.

As to DeFilippis and Hughes’ motives for working so long and hard to get the DGU estimate down, I believe the most likely explanation is that they hope that total gun prohibition will one day be politically achievable, and they recognize that high numbers of DGUs each year would present an enormous obstacle to persuading Americans that disarming noncriminals would be without serious costs. No one who supported only moderate controls but who opposed total prohibition would care about high estimates of DGUs by noncriminals, since they would be unaffected by moderate controls that do not disarm noncriminals, such as background checks.

 

[August West]

1.5 million defensive gun uses a year means there have been over 90 million in my lifetime so I should know dozens of people who have done this. I don`t know of a single one. Even a home schooler could see how idiotic spamalot`s numbers are.

 

[LoneLaugher]

1.5 million defensive gun uses a year means there have been over 90 million in my lifetime so I should know dozens of people who have done this. I don`t know of a single one. Even a home schooler could see how idiotic spamalot`s numbers are.

Dude found that study long ago and has made it his life's work to spread it.

It is heavily disputed.

 

[2aguy]

1.5 million defensive gun uses a year means there have been over 90 million in my lifetime so I should know dozens of people who have done this. I don`t know of a single one. Even a home schooler could see how idiotic spamalot`s numbers are.

Dude found that study long ago and has made it his life's work to spread it.

It is heavily disputed.

It isn't one study, doofus......a long list of research which show you have no idea what you are talking about...

Here...since you guys obviously are slow....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[LoneLaugher]

1.5 million defensive gun uses a year means there have been over 90 million in my lifetime so I should know dozens of people who have done this. I don`t know of a single one. Even a home schooler could see how idiotic spamalot`s numbers are.

Dude found that study long ago and has made it his life's work to spread it.

It is heavily disputed.

It isn't one study, doofus......a long list of research which show you have no idea what you are talking about...

Here...since you guys obviously are slow....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Shit. Stop posting that over and over. We've seen it. It is all shit research. All of it.

 

[2aguy]

1.5 million defensive gun uses a year means there have been over 90 million in my lifetime so I should know dozens of people who have done this. I don`t know of a single one. Even a home schooler could see how idiotic spamalot`s numbers are.

Dude found that study long ago and has made it his life's work to spread it.

It is heavily disputed.

It isn't one study, doofus......a long list of research which show you have no idea what you are talking about...

Here...since you guys obviously are slow....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Shit. Stop posting that over and over. We've seen it. It is all shit research. All of it.

Yes......it shows that you don't know what you are talking about so you declare all of those studies, conducted by trained researchers, most of them anti gun researchers who support your point of view on banning guns.....and so you have to just say it is shit .....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....[/QUOTE]

 

[LoneLaugher]

1.5 million defensive gun uses a year means there have been over 90 million in my lifetime so I should know dozens of people who have done this. I don`t know of a single one. Even a home schooler could see how idiotic spamalot`s numbers are.

Dude found that study long ago and has made it his life's work to spread it.

It is heavily disputed.

It isn't one study, doofus......a long list of research which show you have no idea what you are talking about...

Here...since you guys obviously are slow....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Shit. Stop posting that over and over. We've seen it. It is all shit research. All of it.

Yes......it shows that you don't know what you are talking about so you declare all of those studies, conducted by trained researchers, most of them anti gun researchers who support your point of view on banning guns.....and so you have to just say it is shit .....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

[/QUOTE]

Have you personally used your firearm in self defense?

 

[JoeB131]

It doesn't matter, moron.....gun owners aren't relying on these corporations for funding.....and 5 million or more people turning on these corporations is a lot larger than the few uninformed people emailing them.....but keep playing this game and see what happens to their profit margin.....

Yeah, you see, the thing is, these big corporations realize that the gun culture nuts aren't that much of a profit source. The hard core gun nuts are less than 3% of the population.

And they don't want the Next Adam Lanza or Nikolas Cruz showing up at their kid's school, either.

 

[2aguy]

It doesn't matter, moron.....gun owners aren't relying on these corporations for funding.....and 5 million or more people turning on these corporations is a lot larger than the few uninformed people emailing them.....but keep playing this game and see what happens to their profit margin.....

Yeah, you see, the thing is, these big corporations realize that the gun culture nuts aren't that much of a profit source. The hard core gun nuts are less than 3% of the population.

And they don't want the Next Adam Lanza or Nikolas Cruz showing up at their kid's school, either.

And those two guys.....were known to police who did nothing.....and the killing they did was in the democrat gun free zones you asswipes created.......

The math you can't deny...

Florida shooting without armed response....17 dead

Maryland, armed response in 1 minute of the shooting.... 1 dead.

And others......


**********

No guns: 41 dead

Sikh temple ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston ( 9 dead)

Texas church shooting (26 dead)


Parishioners with guns: 2 dead

Osceola ( 0 dead )

New life ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

South Carolina shotgun guy ( 0 dead)

Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston church shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 9 dead)
26 dead in shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas (26 dead)

vs.

Deputies Osceola pastor shot church janitor in self-defense ( 0 dead)

6 Shot At New Life Church Gunman 2 Churchgoers Dead - 7NEWS Denver TheDenverChannel.com ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

Remember This SC Concealed Carrier Stops Mass Shooting During Church Service. No Casualties. ( 0 dead)

 

[2aguy]

1.5 million defensive gun uses a year means there have been over 90 million in my lifetime so I should know dozens of people who have done this. I don`t know of a single one. Even a home schooler could see how idiotic spamalot`s numbers are.

Dude found that study long ago and has made it his life's work to spread it.

It is heavily disputed.

It isn't one study, doofus......a long list of research which show you have no idea what you are talking about...

Here...since you guys obviously are slow....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Shit. Stop posting that over and over. We've seen it. It is all shit research. All of it.

Yes......it shows that you don't know what you are talking about so you declare all of those studies, conducted by trained researchers, most of them anti gun researchers who support your point of view on banning guns.....and so you have to just say it is shit .....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Have you personally used your firearm in self defense?[/QUOTE]


Me, no. I know a friend who has.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Dude found that study long ago and has made it his life's work to spread it.

It is heavily disputed.

It isn't one study, doofus......a long list of research which show you have no idea what you are talking about...

Here...since you guys obviously are slow....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Shit. Stop posting that over and over. We've seen it. It is all shit research. All of it.

Yes......it shows that you don't know what you are talking about so you declare all of those studies, conducted by trained researchers, most of them anti gun researchers who support your point of view on banning guns.....and so you have to just say it is shit .....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Have you personally used your firearm in self defense?

Me, no. I know a friend who has.[/QUOTE]

One?

 

[JoeB131]

And those two guys.....were known to police who did nothing.....and the killing they did was in the democrat gun free zones you asswipes created.......

Actually, most of the "gun free" places I've worked in were CORPORATE mandates, not government ones. Then again, given some of the jackasses I've worked for, they last thing they needed was employees with guns.

But to the point- the problem isn't what the police knew about them. (I don't think Lanza actually was on police radar), but the fact that they were able to get a gun!

And why shouldn't they be? When you say gun ownership is a "right", then you have a very hard time denying it to people. Probably more trouble than it is worth.

Until they shoot up a school, or a theater, or whatever.

 

[JoeB131]

Maryland, armed response in 1 minute of the shooting.... 1 dead.

That was a trained professional security guy who was probably on higher alert because of Parkland. So he managed to shoot one Emo kid having a fight with his girlfriend. Good job.