America founded by whites... for whites

[sparky]

Instead of hijacking someone else's thread, I wanted to defend the title of this thread by creating a thread to talk about one thing. However, before I do, I want to ask each of you a question: If I tell you that due to the court case of Roe v. Wade, abortion is legal in America, does that make me pro-abortion for stating a fact?

In this thread, I will give you the facts. I'll also put perspective into it and challenge my critics to respond without name calling and without long harangues to try and derail the thread. If you participate and you begin name calling, it will be noted and then no future responses will be required as you will have lost any pretend debate. Secondary, I will not respond to long diatribes that look like a book. Let's make our posts not exceed about a dozen paragraphs (give or take a few sentences. That said, let's rock:

The United States was founded by white Christians for the benefit of white Christians. Personally, I do not find it racist or white supremacist in its proper context. But, what I'm telling you is true. The very first governing document of the New World began with these words:

'In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.

Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith..." (see the Mayflower Compact of 1620)

About a decade later in 1630, aboard the ship the Arbella, John Winthrop gave a sermon that has been cited (in part) by all kinds of statesmen including, but not limited to JFK and Ronald Reagan. I'd like to give a couple of excerpts from that sermon and put this into perspective:

"First, in regard of the more near bond of marriage between Him and us, wherein He hath taken us to be His, after a most strict and peculiar manner, which will make Him the more jealous of our love and obedience. So He tells the people of Israel, you only have I known of all the families of the earth, therefore will I punish you for your transgressions.

...Thirdly, when God gives a special commission He looks to have it strictly observed in every article; When He gave Saul a commission to destroy Amaleck, He indented with him upon certain articles, and because he failed in one of the least, and that upon a fair pretense, it lost him the kingdom, which should have been his reward, if he had observed his commission.

...Thus stands the cause between God and us. We are entered into covenant with Him for this work. We have taken out a commission..."

https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf

The ONLY people to have a special commission from God were the biblical Israelites. That is how the colonists viewed themselves: They were the Israelites of the Bible; the land we call America was the promised land - the New Jerusalem.

http://www.kimmillerconcernedchristians.com/Unsealings/1425.pdf

Yeah, those who engage in genocide, ethnic cleansing, conquering and colonizing others always have some wackass feckless attempt at a rationale. It's the same with our endless bogus illegal unconstitutional wars. Hey! We're a takin' on "evil"! It's the Lord's work!

Founding a country on Anglo Saxon jurisprudence and biblical precepts is a Hell of a long way from genocide.

No, it was genocide and if your Bible is real, your God knows this.

Slavery is not a sin in the Bible. Biblical Israelites living under a yoke of bondage where mortal men hand down religious laws is a sin.

You're right, slavery is never called a sin. However..............God really wasn't into slavery, because He sent the 10 plagues to get Egypt to release the Hebrews. While it's not specifically called a sin, it's not something God was really pleased about.

a shame He lost interest in M.E. affairs , coulda done a lotta smitin' and smoten' this millennieum...

~S~

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...................

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”

― Barry Goldwater

Many of our founding fathers found inspiration from preachers

Brilliant, now you see the problem?

Yes we need more billy Graham

Billy's son fucked his pool boy, what we need is to go run down Ghislame Maxwell and hold our pedophile aristocracy accountable.

In Jesus name of course.

Wow full of hate

Wasn't me fucking america's children, it was your capital/political class.

 

[Indeependent]

If it was settled by whites, for whites

Why did they need to bring in blacks as slaves?

They saw that someone was going to want to be on welfare one day.

Our aristocracy is who we subsidize.

The middle class subsidizes the whole world.

 

[Jitss617]

Many of our founding fathers found inspiration from preachers

Brilliant, now you see the problem?

Yes we need more billy Graham

Billy's son fucked his pool boy, what we need is to go run down Ghislame Maxwell and hold our pedophile aristocracy accountable.

In Jesus name of course.

Wow full of hate

Wasn't me fucking america's children, it was your capital/political class.

God loves you

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Yeah, those who engage in genocide, ethnic cleansing, conquering and colonizing others always have some wackass feckless attempt at a rationale. It's the same with our endless bogus illegal unconstitutional wars. Hey! We're a takin' on "evil"! It's the Lord's work!

Founding a country on Anglo Saxon jurisprudence and biblical precepts is a Hell of a long way from genocide.

No, it was genocide and if your Bible is real, your God knows this.

Slavery is not a sin in the Bible. Biblical Israelites living under a yoke of bondage where mortal men hand down religious laws is a sin.

You're right, slavery is never called a sin. However..............God really wasn't into slavery, because He sent the 10 plagues to get Egypt to release the Hebrews. While it's not specifically called a sin, it's not something God was really pleased about.

a shame He lost interest in M.E. affairs , coulda done a lotta smitin' and smoten' this millennieum...

~S~

We've done the best we could without Him, high tech has made U.S. God.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Brilliant, now you see the problem?

Yes we need more billy Graham

Billy's son fucked his pool boy, what we need is to go run down Ghislame Maxwell and hold our pedophile aristocracy accountable.

In Jesus name of course.

Wow full of hate

Wasn't me fucking america's children, it was your capital/political class.

God loves you

Sorry, I think that's a tad out of your jurisdiction, and I do not accept you as "His" representative.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

This subject is never dealt with honestly. Here is some typical manure you see on the Internet regarding of WHO BROUGHT SLAVES TO AMERICA:

Slavery and the Jews

Who brought slaves to America and who owned them are completely different discussions, but the left cannot win for losing. That's the reason for the deflections, false accusations and attempts to derail a single statement made in the OP.

You should see how modernists tap dance around the real question of WHO BROUGHT SLAVES TO AMERICA?

How culpable were Dutch Jews in the slave trade? - Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Occasionally, you get a piece of the truth from those who profited of the slave trade:

"We Jews, however, even liberal ones, who justifiably insist that the history of the Nazi Holocaust not be denied, can hardly urge African Americans to suppress the record of the slave trade and the involvement of our own ancestors in it. It also does not help to accompany all discussions of Jewish slave trading with indictments of Christians and Arab Muslims as the true villains of the African slave trade. (Brackman, for example, provides a somewhat lurid catalogue of 'Arab slave raids" using, among other sources, my own research.

In fact, the Muslim or Oriental slave trade out of Africa involved mainly Berber, Swahili, and other Black African raiders and merchants rather than Arabs.) Thus while we should not ignore the anti-Semitism of The Secret Relationship (limited at least to accusations of avarice rather than blood libels or plots to rule the world), we must recognize the legitimacy of the stated aim of examining fully and directly even the most uncomfortable elements in our common past, There are certainly better ways than those of this book, from both a scholarly and moral perspective, to carry out such an examination. But carried out it must be', not to apportion or remove guilt but rather to learn who we are through what we were and to incorporate this knowledge into the struggle to become something better."

R. Austen, "African Enslavement in History of Blacks and Jews"

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Instead of hijacking someone else's thread, I wanted to defend the title of this thread by creating a thread to talk about one thing. However, before I do, I want to ask each of you a question: If I tell you that due to the court case of Roe v. Wade, abortion is legal in America, does that make me pro-abortion for stating a fact?

In this thread, I will give you the facts. I'll also put perspective into it and challenge my critics to respond without name calling and without long harangues to try and derail the thread. If you participate and you begin name calling, it will be noted and then no future responses will be required as you will have lost any pretend debate. Secondary, I will not respond to long diatribes that look like a book. Let's make our posts not exceed about a dozen paragraphs (give or take a few sentences. That said, let's rock:

The United States was founded by white Christians for the benefit of white Christians. Personally, I do not find it racist or white supremacist in its proper context. But, what I'm telling you is true. The very first governing document of the New World began with these words:

'In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.

Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith..." (see the Mayflower Compact of 1620)

About a decade later in 1630, aboard the ship the Arbella, John Winthrop gave a sermon that has been cited (in part) by all kinds of statesmen including, but not limited to JFK and Ronald Reagan. I'd like to give a couple of excerpts from that sermon and put this into perspective:

"First, in regard of the more near bond of marriage between Him and us, wherein He hath taken us to be His, after a most strict and peculiar manner, which will make Him the more jealous of our love and obedience. So He tells the people of Israel, you only have I known of all the families of the earth, therefore will I punish you for your transgressions.

...Thirdly, when God gives a special commission He looks to have it strictly observed in every article; When He gave Saul a commission to destroy Amaleck, He indented with him upon certain articles, and because he failed in one of the least, and that upon a fair pretense, it lost him the kingdom, which should have been his reward, if he had observed his commission.

...Thus stands the cause between God and us. We are entered into covenant with Him for this work. We have taken out a commission..."

https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf

The ONLY people to have a special commission from God were the biblical Israelites. That is how the colonists viewed themselves: They were the Israelites of the Bible; the land we call America was the promised land - the New Jerusalem.

http://www.kimmillerconcernedchristians.com/Unsealings/1425.pdf

Yeah, those who engage in genocide, ethnic cleansing, conquering and colonizing others always have some wackass feckless attempt at a rationale. It's the same with our endless bogus illegal unconstitutional wars. Hey! We're a takin' on "evil"! It's the Lord's work!

Founding a country on Anglo Saxon jurisprudence and biblical precepts is a Hell of a long way from genocide.

And the founding fathers of this nation made sure it was not a Christian nation. Thomas Jefferson specifically stated that it was not. What was said on the Mayflower was made irrelevant by the US Constitution. And the subsequent constitutional amendments further separated us from the "White Christian" nation idea.

We are definitely a Christian nation as many of the questions to win the revolution went to God himself,, Thomas Jefferson was a skeptic but every other founding fathers sons of liberty and all Americans were not skeptical

Jefferson, at different points in his life, was all over the map about religion, but identified himself as a Christian - though not a mainstream Christian.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

The ONLY people to have a special commission from God were the biblical Israelites. That is how the colonists viewed themselves: They were the Israelites of the Bible; the land we call America was the promised land - the New Jerusalem.

so if i'm reading this right, Israel & Israelites back before Israel was a nation state were considered a some sort of biblical idealists?

unfuzz me Porter.....

~S~

I don't understand your question. Rephrase please.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Yeah, those who engage in genocide, ethnic cleansing, conquering and colonizing others always have some wackass feckless attempt at a rationale. It's the same with our endless bogus illegal unconstitutional wars. Hey! We're a takin' on "evil"! It's the Lord's work!

Founding a country on Anglo Saxon jurisprudence and biblical precepts is a Hell of a long way from genocide.

And the founding fathers of this nation made sure it was not a Christian nation. Thomas Jefferson specifically stated that it was not. What was said on the Mayflower was made irrelevant by the US Constitution. And the subsequent constitutional amendments further separated us from the "White Christian" nation idea.

Barry Goldwater warned us of this place we are long ago, back when there were true conservatives.

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”

― Barry Goldwater

You keep wanting to talk about religion and we're discussing race. What do say we do ONE topic at a time. I'll gladly debate this with you in another thread. I'll even start it, but one more religious debate you lose. You have ground rules on this thread if you really want to make a point.

You're blathering on about "christian nation" but ya can't have religion coming up?

Yeah, I get what your "rules" are about.

I mentioned abortion in passing, but we aren't debating abortion. You want to go down side roads and deflect because you know, without question, I have your number. You're afraid to address the issue. So, either you want to discuss it or not. If not, I can move on. There are many other posters wanting to make a point. And this is my fight...I'm on my own.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Yeah, those who engage in genocide, ethnic cleansing, conquering and colonizing others always have some wackass feckless attempt at a rationale. It's the same with our endless bogus illegal unconstitutional wars. Hey! We're a takin' on "evil"! It's the Lord's work!

Founding a country on Anglo Saxon jurisprudence and biblical precepts is a Hell of a long way from genocide.

No, it was genocide and if your Bible is real, your God knows this.

Slavery is not a sin in the Bible. Biblical Israelites living under a yoke of bondage where mortal men hand down religious laws is a sin.

You're right, slavery is never called a sin. However..............God really wasn't into slavery, because He sent the 10 plagues to get Egypt to release the Hebrews. While it's not specifically called a sin, it's not something God was really pleased about.

a shame He lost interest in M.E. affairs , coulda done a lotta smitin' and smoten' this millennieum...

~S~

What are ME affairs?

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Founding a country on Anglo Saxon jurisprudence and biblical precepts is a Hell of a long way from genocide.

No, it was genocide and if your Bible is real, your God knows this.

Slavery is not a sin in the Bible. Biblical Israelites living under a yoke of bondage where mortal men hand down religious laws is a sin.

You're right, slavery is never called a sin. However..............God really wasn't into slavery, because He sent the 10 plagues to get Egypt to release the Hebrews. While it's not specifically called a sin, it's not something God was really pleased about.

a shame He lost interest in M.E. affairs , coulda done a lotta smitin' and smoten' this millennieum...

~S~

What are ME affairs?

What is a non-religious oriented thread opening?

"Instead of hijacking someone else's thread, I wanted to defend the title of this thread by creating a thread to talk about one thing. However, before I do, I want to ask each of you a question: If I tell you that due to the court case of Roe v. Wade, abortion is legal in America, does that make me pro-abortion for stating a fact?

In this thread, I will give you the facts. I'll also put perspective into it and challenge my critics to respond without name calling and without long harangues to try and derail the thread. If you participate and you begin name calling, it will be noted and then no future responses will be required as you will have lost any pretend debate. Secondary, I will not respond to long diatribes that look like a book. Let's make our posts not exceed about a dozen paragraphs (give or take a few sentences. That said, let's rock:

The United States was founded by white Christians for the benefit of white Christians. Personally, I do not find it racist or white supremacist in its proper context. But, what I'm telling you is true. The very first governing document of the New World began with these words:

'In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.

Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith..." (see the Mayflower Compact of 1620)

About a decade later in 1630, aboard the ship the Arbella, John Winthrop gave a sermon that has been cited (in part) by all kinds of statesmen including, but not limited to JFK and Ronald Reagan. I'd like to give a couple of excerpts from that sermon and put this into perspective:

"First, in regard of the more near bond of marriage between Him and us, wherein He hath taken us to be His, after a most strict and peculiar manner, which will make Him the more jealous of our love and obedience. So He tells the people of Israel, you only have I known of all the families of the earth, therefore will I punish you for your transgressions.

...Thirdly, when God gives a special commission He looks to have it strictly observed in every article; When He gave Saul a commission to destroy Amaleck, He indented with him upon certain articles, and because he failed in one of the least, and that upon a fair pretense, it lost him the kingdom, which should have been his reward, if he had observed his commission.

...Thus stands the cause between God and us. We are entered into covenant with Him for this work. We have taken out a commission..."

https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf

The ONLY people to have a special commission from God were the biblical Israelites. That is how the colonists viewed themselves: They were the Israelites of the Bible; the land we call America was the promised land - the New Jerusalem.

http://www.kimmillerconcernedchristians.com/Unsealings/1425.pdf"

It is all about religion son, you did that.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

This subject is never dealt with honestly. Here is some typical manure you see on the Internet regarding of WHO BROUGHT SLAVES TO AMERICA:

Slavery and the Jews

Who brought slaves to America and who owned them are completely different discussions, but the left cannot win for losing. That's the reason for the deflections, false accusations and attempts to derail a single statement made in the OP.

You should see how modernists tap dance around the real question of WHO BROUGHT SLAVES TO AMERICA?

How culpable were Dutch Jews in the slave trade? - Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Occasionally, you get a piece of the truth from those who profited of the slave trade:

"We Jews, however, even liberal ones, who justifiably insist that the history of the Nazi Holocaust not be denied, can hardly urge African Americans to suppress the record of the slave trade and the involvement of our own ancestors in it. It also does not help to accompany all discussions of Jewish slave trading with indictments of Christians and Arab Muslims as the true villains of the African slave trade. (Brackman, for example, provides a somewhat lurid catalogue of 'Arab slave raids" using, among other sources, my own research.

In fact, the Muslim or Oriental slave trade out of Africa involved mainly Berber, Swahili, and other Black African raiders and merchants rather than Arabs.) Thus while we should not ignore the anti-Semitism of The Secret Relationship (limited at least to accusations of avarice rather than blood libels or plots to rule the world), we must recognize the legitimacy of the stated aim of examining fully and directly even the most uncomfortable elements in our common past, There are certainly better ways than those of this book, from both a scholarly and moral perspective, to carry out such an examination. But carried out it must be', not to apportion or remove guilt but rather to learn who we are through what we were and to incorporate this knowledge into the struggle to become something better."

R. Austen, "African Enslavement in History of Blacks and Jews"

Oh my, the slave trade was global?

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Founding a country on Anglo Saxon jurisprudence and biblical precepts is a Hell of a long way from genocide.

And the founding fathers of this nation made sure it was not a Christian nation. Thomas Jefferson specifically stated that it was not. What was said on the Mayflower was made irrelevant by the US Constitution. And the subsequent constitutional amendments further separated us from the "White Christian" nation idea.

Barry Goldwater warned us of this place we are long ago, back when there were true conservatives.

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”

― Barry Goldwater

You keep wanting to talk about religion and we're discussing race. What do say we do ONE topic at a time. I'll gladly debate this with you in another thread. I'll even start it, but one more religious debate you lose. You have ground rules on this thread if you really want to make a point.

You're blathering on about "christian nation" but ya can't have religion coming up?

Yeah, I get what your "rules" are about.

I mentioned abortion in passing, but we aren't debating abortion. You want to go down side roads and deflect because you know, without question, I have your number. You're afraid to address the issue. So, either you want to discuss it or not. If not, I can move on. There are many other posters wanting to make a point. And this is my fight...I'm on my own.

Reread your OP, it's all about religion.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Black racists are all over the map, but nobody seems to have a factual objection regarding my first two posts, so I'll continue on.

America was founded by whites for their mutual good. In America we don't say squat about other homogeneous societies. China is 91.5 percent Han Chinese; Japan is 98.5 percent Japanese; North Korea is 99.8 percent racial Chinese; South Korea is about the same. Zimbabwe is 99.7 percent black. AND there are at least a dozen other countries out there with similar racial demographics.

But, man, America being founded by a specific people and all Hell breaks loose.

In the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson wrote:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Liberals and conservatives; left and right; Democrat and Republican have not been properly educated into what this means. It wasn't I heard Richard Dreyfuss on the Tucker Carlson show did I realize that they haven't taught civics in school since 1970. No wonder there is a misunderstanding.

There is no correlation between citizenship and unalienable Rights. The privileges of citizenship are things like holding public office, voting, receiving welfare, being eligible for Socialist Security (you can tell what I think about that one.) Unalienable Rights are those Rights that are irrevocable, above the law, absolute, inherent, natural, and not subject to a popularity vote.

When blacks complain about discrimination, it's hard for me to do back flips when, like most people over 40 I grew up in an era where the whites were expected to kiss the black man's ass over alleged wrongs they suffered five generations ago. The Chinese came here, built their own communities without becoming citizens, and they had it just as rough as the blacks. Why can't the blacks succeed when they get special treatment? It's because they realize that America was founded by whites for their mutual benefit and most black liberals have been programmed, Pavlovian style, to react to certain stimuli. That equates to advocating a subtle form of genocide with "discrimination" being the pretext.

I discriminate daily. I would never have dated just any female. I don't walk into restaurants and just say I'll have whatever you give me. We still use job applications and resumes' for a reason. Society discriminates against people who served time in prison. Frankly, I don't know what in the Hell we think these people are going to do when they are locked out of society, but we do it. We discriminate. So, to say it's "wrong" involves a matter of opinion, not something that lends itself to an objective examination. We built this country on the twin pillars of race and religion. Now, the blacks hate the whites and they will never assimilate. They have to destroy our civilization in the vain hope of creating their own civilization.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

This subject is never dealt with honestly. Here is some typical manure you see on the Internet regarding of WHO BROUGHT SLAVES TO AMERICA:

Slavery and the Jews

Who brought slaves to America and who owned them are completely different discussions, but the left cannot win for losing. That's the reason for the deflections, false accusations and attempts to derail a single statement made in the OP.

You should see how modernists tap dance around the real question of WHO BROUGHT SLAVES TO AMERICA?

How culpable were Dutch Jews in the slave trade? - Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Occasionally, you get a piece of the truth from those who profited of the slave trade:

"We Jews, however, even liberal ones, who justifiably insist that the history of the Nazi Holocaust not be denied, can hardly urge African Americans to suppress the record of the slave trade and the involvement of our own ancestors in it. It also does not help to accompany all discussions of Jewish slave trading with indictments of Christians and Arab Muslims as the true villains of the African slave trade. (Brackman, for example, provides a somewhat lurid catalogue of 'Arab slave raids" using, among other sources, my own research.

In fact, the Muslim or Oriental slave trade out of Africa involved mainly Berber, Swahili, and other Black African raiders and merchants rather than Arabs.) Thus while we should not ignore the anti-Semitism of The Secret Relationship (limited at least to accusations of avarice rather than blood libels or plots to rule the world), we must recognize the legitimacy of the stated aim of examining fully and directly even the most uncomfortable elements in our common past, There are certainly better ways than those of this book, from both a scholarly and moral perspective, to carry out such an examination. But carried out it must be', not to apportion or remove guilt but rather to learn who we are through what we were and to incorporate this knowledge into the struggle to become something better."

R. Austen, "African Enslavement in History of Blacks and Jews"

Oh my, the slave trade was global?

People other than whites participated in the business of slavery. Only the whites are being held accountable.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Black racists are all over the map, but nobody seems to have a factual objection regarding my first two posts, so I'll continue on.

America was founded by whites for their mutual good. In America we don't say squat about other homogeneous societies. China is 91.5 percent Han Chinese; Japan is 98.5 percent Japanese; North Korea is 99.8 percent racial Chinese; South Korea is about the same. Zimbabwe is 99.7 percent black. AND there are at least a dozen other countries out there with similar racial demographics.

But, man, America being founded by a specific people and all Hell breaks loose.

In the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson wrote:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Liberals and conservatives; left and right; Democrat and Republican have not been properly educated into what this means. It wasn't I heard Richard Dreyfuss on the Tucker Carlson show did I realize that they haven't taught civics in school since 1970. No wonder there is a misunderstanding.

There is no correlation between citizenship and unalienable Rights. The privileges of citizenship are things like holding public office, voting, receiving welfare, being eligible for Socialist Security (you can tell what I think about that one.) Unalienable Rights are those Rights that are irrevocable, above the law, absolute, inherent, natural, and not subject to a popularity vote.

When blacks complain about discrimination, it's hard for me to do back flips when, like most people over 40 I grew up in an era where the whites were expected to kiss the black man's ass over alleged wrongs they suffered five generations ago. The Chinese came here, built their own communities without becoming citizens, and they had it just as rough as the blacks. Why can't the blacks succeed when they get special treatment? It's because they realize that America was founded by whites for their mutual benefit and most black liberals have been programmed, Pavlovian style, to react to certain stimuli. That equates to advocating a subtle form of genocide with "discrimination" being the pretext.

I discriminate daily. I would never have dated just any female. I don't walk into restaurants and just say I'll have whatever you give me. We still use job applications and resumes' for a reason. Society discriminates against people who served time in prison. Frankly, I don't know what in the Hell we think these people are going to do when they are locked out of society, but we do it. We discriminate. So, to say it's "wrong" involves a matter of opinion, not something that lends itself to an objective examination. We built this country on the twin pillars of race and religion. Now, the blacks hate the whites and they will never assimilate. They have to destroy our civilization in the vain hope of creating their own civilization.

Right, you begin with this america is for whites tripe and black racists are everywhere. Light a tiki torch for peace pard.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

And the founding fathers of this nation made sure it was not a Christian nation. Thomas Jefferson specifically stated that it was not. What was said on the Mayflower was made irrelevant by the US Constitution. And the subsequent constitutional amendments further separated us from the "White Christian" nation idea.

Barry Goldwater warned us of this place we are long ago, back when there were true conservatives.

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”

― Barry Goldwater

You keep wanting to talk about religion and we're discussing race. What do say we do ONE topic at a time. I'll gladly debate this with you in another thread. I'll even start it, but one more religious debate you lose. You have ground rules on this thread if you really want to make a point.

You're blathering on about "christian nation" but ya can't have religion coming up?

Yeah, I get what your "rules" are about.

I mentioned abortion in passing, but we aren't debating abortion. You want to go down side roads and deflect because you know, without question, I have your number. You're afraid to address the issue. So, either you want to discuss it or not. If not, I can move on. There are many other posters wanting to make a point. And this is my fight...I'm on my own.

Reread your OP, it's all about religion.

Quit being an asshole. If you can't talk about race, STFU and find another thread. We're discussing the race issue and it's the last time I acknowledge your B.S. Participate or leave. I don't need your permission to have a single issue thread.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

This subject is never dealt with honestly. Here is some typical manure you see on the Internet regarding of WHO BROUGHT SLAVES TO AMERICA:

Slavery and the Jews

Who brought slaves to America and who owned them are completely different discussions, but the left cannot win for losing. That's the reason for the deflections, false accusations and attempts to derail a single statement made in the OP.

You should see how modernists tap dance around the real question of WHO BROUGHT SLAVES TO AMERICA?

How culpable were Dutch Jews in the slave trade? - Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Occasionally, you get a piece of the truth from those who profited of the slave trade:

"We Jews, however, even liberal ones, who justifiably insist that the history of the Nazi Holocaust not be denied, can hardly urge African Americans to suppress the record of the slave trade and the involvement of our own ancestors in it. It also does not help to accompany all discussions of Jewish slave trading with indictments of Christians and Arab Muslims as the true villains of the African slave trade. (Brackman, for example, provides a somewhat lurid catalogue of 'Arab slave raids" using, among other sources, my own research.

In fact, the Muslim or Oriental slave trade out of Africa involved mainly Berber, Swahili, and other Black African raiders and merchants rather than Arabs.) Thus while we should not ignore the anti-Semitism of The Secret Relationship (limited at least to accusations of avarice rather than blood libels or plots to rule the world), we must recognize the legitimacy of the stated aim of examining fully and directly even the most uncomfortable elements in our common past, There are certainly better ways than those of this book, from both a scholarly and moral perspective, to carry out such an examination. But carried out it must be', not to apportion or remove guilt but rather to learn who we are through what we were and to incorporate this knowledge into the struggle to become something better."

R. Austen, "African Enslavement in History of Blacks and Jews"

Oh my, the slave trade was global?

People other than whites participated in the business of slavery. Only the whites are being held accountable.

You're a victim, we all know, we've heard that over, and over, and over. The woeful lament of the downtrodden white male in america.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Barry Goldwater warned us of this place we are long ago, back when there were true conservatives.

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”

― Barry Goldwater

You keep wanting to talk about religion and we're discussing race. What do say we do ONE topic at a time. I'll gladly debate this with you in another thread. I'll even start it, but one more religious debate you lose. You have ground rules on this thread if you really want to make a point.

You're blathering on about "christian nation" but ya can't have religion coming up?

Yeah, I get what your "rules" are about.

I mentioned abortion in passing, but we aren't debating abortion. You want to go down side roads and deflect because you know, without question, I have your number. You're afraid to address the issue. So, either you want to discuss it or not. If not, I can move on. There are many other posters wanting to make a point. And this is my fight...I'm on my own.

Reread your OP, it's all about religion.

Quit being an asshole. If you can't talk about race, STFU and find another thread. We're discussing the race issue and it's the last time I acknowledge your B.S. Participate or leave. I don't need your permission to have a single issue thread.

You've fecklessly attempted to argue your religion justifies your and america's institutionalized societal racism. Perhaps this would work better for your delivering this nonsense into your bathroom mirror, or in a blog on some white nationalist website.