Al-Qaeda Chief Calls For Attacks On US

[Osomir]

Oh, what happened to those fools that allied with Muhammad? Did they have long. peaceful lives?

Islam was a minority religion within the Arab Empire for quite some time.

 

[Hollie]

Qutbist ideology is a "reformed" version of Islam though. Your mistake seems to be a lack of ability to separate jihadi Islamist roots from traditional expressions of Islam. These are pretty new concepts within the Islamic community relying on Itjihad developed in the 50's and 60's.

To suggest that "Qutbist ideology is a "reformed" version of Islam, is not only stupid, its dangerous.

Do you mean this Qutbist ideology?

…the object of this religion is all humanity and its sphere of action is the whole earth."

--Sayyid Qutb, Paving the Way


You may not be aware that Sayit Qutb was a leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood. It's remarkable that anyone would categorize the MB as anything but fundamentalist, belligerent Islamic ideology.


It's a shame that islamist apologists choose to avoid addressing these issues. It's worthwhile pointing out that it was only a bit over thirty years ago that Anwar el-Sadat was murdered by gunfire at a public speaking engagement. His assassins were dispatched by the Muslim Brotherhood. Sadat, then president of Egypt, was the first Arab/Muslim president courageous enough to make a formal peace deal with Israel. For that unpardonable sin, he was murdered.

Even a strident apologist should be able to acknowledge the purging of competing religions in the islamist Middle East. Quite naturally, no rational person wants to believe that a religion encourages, or even allows, the violent expansion of its sphere of power; it's political influence through murder and mayhem or the religions clout through force of numbers. But in Islam, there is no religion/secularism dichotomy, because Islam is a… wait for it… it's comin' around… "perfect and complete way of life for all of mankind for all time."

 

[Hollie]

Oh, what happened to those fools that allied with Muhammad? Did they have long. peaceful lives?

Islam was a minority religion within the Arab Empire for quite some time.

Until the Peaceful Inner Strugglers gained strength of numbers and began the systematic purging of competing religions.

 

[Osomir]

Until the Peaceful Inner Strugglers gained strength of numbers and began the systematic purging of competing religions.

Yeah, no.

 

[Osomir]

To suggest that "Qutbist ideology is a "reformed" version of Islam, is not only stupid, its dangerous.

It's not stupid at all. Just because it is a "reformed" version doesn't mean that it should be one that we like more. Qutbism was / is relatively new. It isn't a fundamentalist ideological set as many like to characterize it, it depends on new expressions of Islamist thought pushed by itjihad.

Do you mean this Qutbist ideology?

…the object of this religion is all humanity and its sphere of action is the whole earth."

--Sayyid Qutb, Paving the Way

Yes, Sayyid Qutb is one of the major founding figures of modern day Jihadism.

You may not be aware that Sayit Qutb was a leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood. It's remarkable that anyone would categorize the MB as anything but fundamentalist, belligerent Islamic ideology.

Qutb's teachings caused a break in the Muslim Brotherhood. His work Milestones was at odds with the supreme guide's work which advocated peace. So Qutbists broke away from the Muslim Brotherhood and formed groups like Jamaat Al Jihad and Gamaa al-Islamiyyah. They didn't remain with the Brotherhood.

It's a shame that islamist apologists choose to avoid addressing these issues.

what issues would you like addressed?

Even a strident apologist should be able to acknowledge the purging of competing religions in the islamist Middle East. Quite naturally, no rational person wants to believe that a religion encourages, or even allows, the violent expansion of its sphere of power; it's political influence through murder and mayhem or the religions clout through force of numbers. But in Islam, there is no religion/secularism dichotomy, because Islam is a… wait for it… it's comin' around… "perfect and complete way of life for all of mankind for all time."

Depicting Islam as a monolith is incredibly dishonest and ignores the way that Islamic jurisprudential sets are even created in the first place.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Islam was a minority religion within the Arab Empire for quite some time.

What "Arab Empire?"

Islam went on a bloody rampage until all of the Arabian peninsula was subdued under the yoke of the Caliph. Then Islam turned it's bloody eye and lustful heart toward Persia, India, Constantinople, and Europe.

 

[Hollie]

Until the Peaceful Inner Strugglers gained strength of numbers and began the systematic purging of competing religions.

Yeah, no.

So, tell us. How many competing religions exist in the KSA?

Across the islamist Middle East, moslems are actively purging all regions that are in competition with islamism.

 

[Osomir]

What "Arab Empire?"

The "Muslim empires" didn't really become ethnically diverse until the Abbasid Dynasty. Umayyads for example were larger on family members and ethnic Arabs than they were on Muslims and appointed many non-Muslims to important administrative positions. They didn't even used to allow non-Arabs into their military forces regardless of what faith they were.

 

[Osomir]

So, tell us. How many competing religions exist in the KSA?

It's dishonest to paint Saudi Arabia as the norm for Islamic life on this planet.

 

[Hollie]

To suggest that "Qutbist ideology is a "reformed" version of Islam, is not only stupid, its dangerous.

It's not stupid at all. Just because it is a "reformed" version doesn't mean that it should be one that we like more. Qutbism was / is relatively new. It isn't a fundamentalist ideological set as many like to characterize it, it depends on new expressions of Islamist thought pushed by itjihad.

Do you mean this Qutbist ideology?

…the object of this religion is all humanity and its sphere of action is the whole earth."

--Sayyid Qutb, Paving the Way

Yes, Sayyid Qutb is one of the major founding figures of modern day Jihadism.



Qutb's teachings caused a break in the Muslim Brotherhood. His work Milestones was at odds with the supreme guide's work which advocated peace. So Qutbists broke away from the Muslim Brotherhood and formed groups like Jamaat Al Jihad and Gamaa al-Islamiyyah. They didn't remain with the Brotherhood.

It's a shame that islamist apologists choose to avoid addressing these issues.

what issues would you like addressed?

Even a strident apologist should be able to acknowledge the purging of competing religions in the islamist Middle East. Quite naturally, no rational person wants to believe that a religion encourages, or even allows, the violent expansion of its sphere of power; it's political influence through murder and mayhem or the religions clout through force of numbers. But in Islam, there is no religion/secularism dichotomy, because Islam is a… wait for it… it's comin' around… "perfect and complete way of life for all of mankind for all time."

Depicting Islam as a monolith is incredibly dishonest and ignores the way that Islamic jurisprudential sets are even created in the first place.

Your lslamo dancing shoes didn't help you a bit.

 

[Osomir]

To suggest that "Qutbist ideology is a "reformed" version of Islam, is not only stupid, its dangerous.

It's not stupid at all. Just because it is a "reformed" version doesn't mean that it should be one that we like more. Qutbism was / is relatively new. It isn't a fundamentalist ideological set as many like to characterize it, it depends on new expressions of Islamist thought pushed by itjihad.



Yes, Sayyid Qutb is one of the major founding figures of modern day Jihadism.



Qutb's teachings caused a break in the Muslim Brotherhood. His work Milestones was at odds with the supreme guide's work which advocated peace. So Qutbists broke away from the Muslim Brotherhood and formed groups like Jamaat Al Jihad and Gamaa al-Islamiyyah. They didn't remain with the Brotherhood.



what issues would you like addressed?

Even a strident apologist should be able to acknowledge the purging of competing religions in the islamist Middle East. Quite naturally, no rational person wants to believe that a religion encourages, or even allows, the violent expansion of its sphere of power; it's political influence through murder and mayhem or the religions clout through force of numbers. But in Islam, there is no religion/secularism dichotomy, because Islam is a… wait for it… it's comin' around… "perfect and complete way of life for all of mankind for all time."

Depicting Islam as a monolith is incredibly dishonest and ignores the way that Islamic jurisprudential sets are even created in the first place.

Your lslamo dancing shoes didn't help you a bit.

It's obviously allowed me to create a post that you weren't able to give a point by point response to.

 

[Hollie]

What "Arab Empire?"

The "Muslim empires" didn't really become ethnically diverse until the Abbasid Dynasty. Umayyads for example were larger on family members and ethnic Arabs than they were on Muslims and appointed many non-Muslims to important administrative positions. They didn't even used to allow non-Arabs into their military forces regardless of what faith they were.

It seems the strident apologist has never heard the term, "dhimmi'.

 

[Osomir]

It seems the strident apologist has never heard the term, "dhimmi'.

You should try reading a history book.

 

[Hollie]

It's not stupid at all. Just because it is a "reformed" version doesn't mean that it should be one that we like more. Qutbism was / is relatively new. It isn't a fundamentalist ideological set as many like to characterize it, it depends on new expressions of Islamist thought pushed by itjihad.



Yes, Sayyid Qutb is one of the major founding figures of modern day Jihadism.



Qutb's teachings caused a break in the Muslim Brotherhood. His work Milestones was at odds with the supreme guide's work which advocated peace. So Qutbists broke away from the Muslim Brotherhood and formed groups like Jamaat Al Jihad and Gamaa al-Islamiyyah. They didn't remain with the Brotherhood.



what issues would you like addressed?



Depicting Islam as a monolith is incredibly dishonest and ignores the way that Islamic jurisprudential sets are even created in the first place.

Your lslamo dancing shoes didn't help you a bit.

It's obviously allowed me to create a post that you weren't able to give a point by point response to.

A point by point of slathering apologetics.

 

[Osomir]

Your lslamo dancing shoes didn't help you a bit.

It's obviously allowed me to create a post that you weren't able to give a point by point response to.

A point by point of slathering apologetics.

Insecure much?

 

[Hollie]

It's obviously allowed me to create a post that you weren't able to give a point by point response to.

A point by point of slathering apologetics.

Insecure much?

Apologist much?

It's comically tragic that you suggest Qutb "invented" a reformed version of islamist ideology.

The murder of political rivals, Sadat, actually defines the history of islamism. Half of the "rightly guided" caliphs were murdered by other moslems.

Qutb simply carried on that tradition.

 

[High_Gravity]

Don't Al Qaeda Chiefs call for attacks on the US all the time? I thought that was in the job description?

 

[Osomir]

It's comically tragic that you suggest Qutb "invented" a reformed version of islamist ideology.

He was one of the most prominent utilizes of Itjihad since the formal schools of thought closed the practice of Itjihad around the 14th century.

I'm not sure what is "tragic" about stating that, nor have you offered up any counter arguments for my stances other than personal attacks.

 

[Hollie]

Until the Peaceful Inner Strugglers gained strength of numbers and began the systematic purging of competing religions.

Yeah, no.

So do tell us of the status of christianity in Egypt, for example, once a majority Christian nation.

Tell us of the thriving Jewish populations in any single Moslem majority nation anywhere in the islamist Middle East.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The "Muslim empires" didn't really become ethnically diverse until the Abbasid Dynasty.

Does not support your fiction of an alleged "Arab Empire."

Umayyads for example were larger on family members and ethnic Arabs than they were on Muslims and appointed many non-Muslims to important administrative positions. They didn't even used to allow non-Arabs into their military forces regardless of what faith they were.

Again, does not support your claim. There was no Arab Empire, there were dozens of tribal factions who warred with each other and were easy prey for the rampaging War Machine of Muhammad and the Caliphs.