Again?

[HenryBHough]

Yup. here we go again.

Another missing airliner.

Gone without a trace.

AirAsia Flight Carrying 162 People Vanishes Flying From Indonesia To Singapore

Will it stay gone?

Will CNN trip over their own titties on this one?

How many does it take before missintg airliners are so routine that they're not mentioned in network newscasts?

 

[daws101]

Yup. here we go again.

Another missing airliner.

Gone without a trace.

AirAsia Flight Carrying 162 People Vanishes Flying From Indonesia To Singapore

Will it stay gone?

Will CNN trip over their own titties on this one?

How many does it take before missintg airliners are so routine that they're not mentioned in network newscasts?

IT's becoming as common place as train accidents in the 19th century.

 

[waltky]

Looks like they were trying to climb above the storm...

Data point to 'unbelievably' steep climb before AirAsia crash: source
December 31, 2014 -- Radar data being examined by investigators appeared to show that AirAsia Flight QZ8501 made an "unbelievably" steep climb before it crashed, possibly pushing it beyond the Airbus A320's limits, said a source familiar with the probe's initial findings.

The data was transmitted before the aircraft disappeared from the screens of air traffic controllers in Jakarta on Sunday, added the source, who declined to be identified. "So far, the numbers taken by the radar are unbelievably high. This rate of climb is very high, too high. It appears to be beyond the performance envelope of the aircraft," he said. The source added that the data on which those assumptions had been made were incomplete. Colleagues and friends of the Indonesian captain on board have described him as an experienced and professional pilot.

The preliminary findings sharpen the focus on the role bad weather and the crew's reaction to storms and clouds in the area had to play in the plane's crash into the Java Sea which killed all 162 people on board. Finding the six-year-old plane's cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and flight data recorder (FDR), more commonly known as black boxes, was vital to complement the radar data already available. "With the CVR and FDR, we can establish what went on in the cockpit and what was going on with the aircraft. We can conclude if the radar information is accurate," added the source.

CLIMBING TOO SLOWLY?

At 6.12 a.m. on Sunday, 36 minutes after taking off from Surabaya's Juanda Airport on a flight to Singapore, the pilot asked for permission to climb to 38,000ft from 32,000ft and deviate to the left to avoid bad weather. Two minutes later, Jakarta responded by asking QZ8501 to go left seven miles and climb to 34,000ft. There was no response from the cockpit. The aircraft was still detected by the ATC's radar before disappearing at 6.18 a.m. An image that was reportedly leaked from AirNav Indonesia, which manages the country's air space, and shared on several websites, appeared to show QZ8501 at an altitude of 36,300ft and climbing at a speed of 353 knots. The source declined to confirm if that image was accurate. Officials from AirNav Indonesia declined to comment.

Two veteran pilots told Reuters that, if accurate, the image and information released so far pointed to the fact that the aircraft may have climbed suddenly and then lost speed. This can result in the aircraft stalling in mid-air before plunging to the sea, they said. One pilot explained that an A320 would cruise at a speed of around Mach 0.78 while at an altitude of 32,000ft. That translates into roughly 516 knots. "If you encounter turbulence, you go slower at what we call the turbulence penetration speed to get through it. If you climb to avoid turbulence, you slow down to have a better climb rate. That could be around Mach 0.76," he said. "But if you climb suddenly and start to lose speed, you will stall."

The source close to the probe said other aircraft in the area at the time of the crash were flying at higher altitudes. Aircraft tracking website flightradar24.com said that they were at between 34,000 and 39,000 feet. "We know that there was severe local weather and big clouds. But they (the other planes) were higher and did not appear to encounter any major problems. We want to look into that too," added the source. Industry sources told Reuters that there could be parallels between this incident and the crash of Air France flight AF447 in 2009. The investigation into that Airbus A330 showed that the co-pilot lost speed readings due to icing on the airframe. His panic reaction meant that he kept trying to climb despite repeated stall warnings, and the crew failed to recognize the situation, eventually sending the aircraft plunging into the Atlantic. Incidents like these show that the margin for error at higher altitudes is smaller than at takeoff or lower down, say industry experts. They add that the A320's systems usually prevent pilots from doing anything outside usual safe flight parameters. But these protections can be disabled in some circumstances, handing control to the pilots and leaving it to manual flying skills.

Data point to unbelievably steep climb before AirAsia crash source - Yahoo News

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Official: Sonar may have detected wreckage from AirAsia Flight QZ8501
December 31, 2014 -- Official dials back earlier comments to CNN on discovery of wreckage; Search chief says body of plane hasn't been found yet; Heavy wind and rain, as well as big waves, hamper search; Surface debris found at least 100 kilometers (60 miles) from plane's last known location

Indonesian searchers battled bad weather Wednesday in their efforts to find more remains from AirAsia Flight QZ8501, a day after the first signs of debris were spotted. There was conflicting information about whether any parts of the plane had been located underwater. One search official told CNN that he believes sonar equipment has detected wreckage from the plane at the bottom of the sea. "I think that that's the case," said Muhammad Hernanto, the head of search and rescue for the city of Surabaya, where Flight 8501 began its journey on Sunday. He was dialing back earlier comments he made to CNN in which he said the sonar equipment had located wreckage from the plane.

Indonesia's national search and rescue chief said the body of the aircraft hasn't yet been discovered. "Until now, we haven't found the plane," Bambang Soelistyo said, according to Indonesia's national news agency Antara. "We've only found seven bodies to this day." The grim discovery Tuesday of parts of the missing plane and several bodies on the surface of the sea dealt a heartbreaking blow to families whose loved ones were lost. Debris was found 100-200 kilometers (60-120 miles) from the aircraft's last known location over the Java Sea, Indonesia's search and rescue agency said.

Seven bodies -- four men and three women -- have been recovered from the water so far, Soelistyo said. One of the women found was wearing a flight attendant's uniform, he said. Search teams are looking for other bodies and parts of the plane, including its so-called black boxes. Those could help investigators determine what went wrong on the flight, which lost contact with air traffic controllers on Sunday with 162 people aboard. Sonar equipment has been searching the bottom of the sea, tens of meters below the water's surface, according to SB Supriyadi, the search agency's director of operations. Dozens of ambulances were lined up in the Indonesian city of Surabaya, ready to carry any bodies recovered. The search isn't easy; heavy wind and rain, as well as big waves, are hampering efforts, officials said.

Families' anguish

 

[katsung47]

The crash of Air Asia jet was predicted
Mysterious Chinese blogger sparks online frenzy after 'predicting' that 'black hand' was going to bring down AirAsia jet THIRTEEN days before one vanished

Blogger warned on Dec 15 that 'AirAsia would be targeted by black hand'

Refers to a shadowy group he claims also sabotaged MH17 and MH370

Peppered internet with 39 posts which have been viewed by 650k users

Some speculate that he could be Chinese intelligence official or a hacker

Sceptics say posts were likely edited after AirAsia 8051 went missing

BySimon Tomlinson for MailOnline
Published: 12:37 EST, 29 December 2014 | Updated: 12:06 EST, 30 December 2014
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2890215/Mysterious-Chinese-blogger-sparks-online-frenzy-predicting-black-hand-going-bring-AirAsia-jet-THIRTEEN-days-one-vanished.html#ixzz3NWUVzCN6

 

[waltky]

Airasia flight data recorder found...

Divers retrieve flight data recorder from AirAsia 8501
January 11, 2015 ~ Divers have retrieved one of the black boxes from the AirAsia flight that crashed more than two weeks ago into the Java Sea, an Indonesia official says.

Henry Bambang Soelistyo, chief of Indonesia's search and rescue agency, told reporters the flight data recorder was brought to the surface by four divers early Monday morning. The search was continuing for the cockpit voice recorder. Divers returned to the waters off Indonesia early Monday after electronic pings helped pinpoint what searchers determined was their location on the sea floor.

Underwater searchers spent 12 hours Sunday at a depth of 100 feet trying to find the cockpit voice and flight data recorders from the lost flight, but efforts were frustrated by murky conditions and strong currents, said Suyadi Bambang Supriyadi, operations coordinator at Indonesia's national search and rescue agency. "Divers will attempt to recover the black boxes by gradually shifting these layers of debris from the plane's body," Supriyadi said as Monday's search began, "Hopefully, weather and sea currents are friendly today, so our drivers can retrieve this very important instrument."

Search teams believe they have found the missing black boxes of AirAsia Flight 8501. Divers are expected to recover them on Monday. Officials are hopeful the boxes will provide answers as to why the plane crashed into the Java Sea in December.

A day earlier, search coordinator Tonny Budiono said the searchers had "succeeded in finding a very important instrument, the black box of AirAsia QZ8501.'' He said the boxes appear to be lodged beneath wreckage from the AirAsia jet and are about 60 feet apart. Crews will attempt to retrieve them by moving pieces of the jet below the surface or by raising the wreckage to the surface using balloons, Budiono said. The balloon system was used to raise the tail of the jet Saturday.

We are led to believe Blackbox may ha e been found. Still not confirmed. But strong info coming. But my man thoughts is fuselage.
— Tony Fernandes (@tonyfernandes) January 11, 2015

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Divers retrieve 2nd black box from AirAsia crash
Jan 13,`15 -- Divers retrieved the crashed AirAsia plane's second black box from the bottom of the Java Sea on Tuesday, giving experts essential tools to piece together what brought Flight 8501 down.

The cockpit voice recorder was freed from beneath the heavy remnants of a wing at a depth of about 30 meters (100 feet), a day after the aircraft's flight data recorder was recovered, said Tonny Budiono, sea navigation director at the Transportation Ministry. "Thank God," he said. "This is good news for investigators to reveal the cause of the plane crash." The device will be flown to the capital, Jakarta, to be analyzed with the other black box, a process that could take up to two weeks. Since it records in a two-hour loop, all discussions between the captain and co-pilot should be available.

The plane disappeared from radar less than halfway into a two-hour flight from Surabaya, Indonesia, to Singapore on Dec. 28. It was carrying 162 people, but only 48 bodies have been recovered so far. The find is the latest boost in the slow-moving hunt in the shallow, murky stretch of ocean. Over the weekend, the tail of the Airbus A320 was recovered, emblazoned with the carrier's red-and-white cursive logo. The black boxes are normally inside the tail, but were missing when the wreckage was pulled to the surface.

The devices were soon located after three Indonesian ships detected strong "pings" being emitted from their beacons, about 20 meters (22 yards) apart. Strong currents, large waves and blinding silt have hindered divers' efforts throughout the search, but they took advantage of calmer early morning conditions on Monday and Tuesday to recover the instruments. The information obtained from the black boxes - which are actually orange - will likely be vital. Designed to survive extreme heat and pressure, they should provide investigators with a second-by-second timeline of the flight.

Indonesian military personnel remove Flight Data Recorder of the ill-fated AirAsia flight QZ8501 into a proper case in Pangkalan Bun, Indonesia, Monday, Jan. 12, 2015. Divers retrieved one black box Monday and located the other from the AirAsia plane that crashed more than two weeks ago, a key development that should help investigators unravel what caused the aircraft to plummet into the Java Sea.

The voice recorder captures all conversations between the pilots and with air traffic controllers, as well as any noises in the cockpit, including possible alarms or explosions. The flight data recorder saves information on the position and condition of almost every major part in the plane, including altitude, airspeed, direction, engine thrust, rate of ascent or descent and what up-or-down angle the plane is pointed. In their last contact with air-traffic controllers, the pilots of the AirAsia jet asked to climb from 32,000 feet (9,750 meters) to 38,000 feet (11,580 meters) to avoid threatening clouds, but were denied permission because of heavy air traffic. Four minutes later, the plane disappeared. No distress signal was received.

Searchers also have been trying to locate the main section of the aircraft's cabin, where many of the victims are believed to be entombed. Decomposition is making identification more difficult for desperate families waiting to bury their loved ones. Nearly all passengers and crew were Indonesian. "I still believe many victims remain trapped there," said Gen. Moeldoko, Indonesia's military chief, who uses one name. "And we must find them."

News from The Associated Press

 

[katsung47]

The crash of Air Asia jet was predicted
Mysterious Chinese blogger sparks online frenzy after 'predicting' that 'black hand' was going to bring down AirAsia jet THIRTEEN days before one vanished

Blogger warned on Dec 15 that 'AirAsia would be targeted by black hand'

Refers to a shadowy group he claims also sabotaged MH17 and MH370

Peppered internet with 39 posts which have been viewed by 650k users

Some speculate that he could be Chinese intelligence official or a hacker

Sceptics say posts were likely edited after AirAsia 8051 went missing

BySimon Tomlinson for MailOnline
Published: 12:37 EST, 29 December 2014 | Updated: 12:06 EST, 30 December 2014
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2890215/Mysterious-Chinese-blogger-sparks-online-frenzy-predicting-black-hand-going-bring-AirAsia-jet-THIRTEEN-days-one-vanished.html#ixzz3NWUVzCN6

Original post:

马航被搞垮后，黑手又伸向了亚航

楼主：老百姓有自己的乐时间：2014-12-15

国际大黑手把马航MH370和马航MH17劫持和击落后，作为世界第六大航空公司的马航基本垮了，处于要死不活的状态

现在，大黑手又把目标锁定在亚航，一如既往，必须搞垮亚航，因为亚航也属于马来西亚

鉴于黑手的势力过于强大，心肠过于狠毒，建议出行的中国旅客，远离亚航，别成为另一个MH370的牺牲品
http://bbs.tianya.cn/post-worldlook-1339619-1.shtml

Translation;


The black hand stretches out onto Air Asia again after Malaysia Airline was brought down.


By: Civilian has his own happiness 2014-12-15


After the hijacking of MH370 and the shooting down of MH17 by the international big black hand, the Malaysia Airline, as the sixth big air company of the world, is basically collapsed – in a dying state.


Now, the big black hand locks at Air Asia. Like usual, Air Asia must be destroyed. Because Air Asia belongs to Malaysia too.


As the power of Black Hand is too strong, and the state of mind is too malicious, I suggest the outgoing Chinese travelers to stay away from Air Asia. Don’t become another sacrifice as of MH370.

 

[katsung47]

楼主：老百姓有自己的乐时间：2014-12-16 2135

远离马航,远离亚航,珍爱生命
http://bbs.tianya.cn/post-worldlook-1339619-1.shtml

Translation:

Keep far away from Malaysia airline, precious your life.

The op kept warn people in following days.(12/16 to 12/17). Obviously he got some inside information.

 

[katsung47]

Responds:

作者：喝减肥茶呢时间：2015-01-07 20:05:35
　　自从第一个失联马航，我就认为是美国。现在看来大家都心知肚明是他，只是没有直接证据罢了。世界，好黑暗，美国，好卑鄙！
http://bbs.tianya.cn/post-worldlook-1339619-177.shtml

Translation:

I thought it was US since the first missing Malaysia airplane. Now all people know it is him, only they have no direct evidence. How dark this world is, how despicable US is.

Most respondents thought the black hand is the US.