AG Barr's investigation about the IG report (Video)

[MAGAman]

Actually, they did, because Manafort, Flynn, and a bunch of other Trump associates are going to jail. Hope they save a chair for Rudy.

Here's the real problem. No one on either side really thought that Trump would win on a technicality. They figured he was going to lose, so there was no point in making a bigger deal about it. Now we are papering it over because they don't want to let us know our elections can be so easily rigged by a foriegn power.

Heck, I think we won't find out how much the Russians interference helped Trump for decades...

Part of that is true. Nobody expected Trump to win. Including Putin.

Putin wanted America divided. He knew any help to Hillary would be met with "business as usual" from Republicans and ignored by Democrats and the MSM.

You just pointed out that Leftards are Putins sockpuppets. American Impeachment, Fascist House hearings, Kavenaugh spectacle, hatred, Americans divided, and a strong Iran helps Putin.

Record employment, wage growth, American energy independence, destruction of the Caliphate, and new US trade deals, record sanctions on Itan and Russia devastate Putin.

IOW, Putin wanted Obama and Hillary and will want the next Democrat nominee.

But yes we do know how much Putin helped Trump...

Exactly ZERO votes.

Hillary didn't lose because of a few Facebook ads.

 

[MAGAman]

"Can you say it wasn’t because of political bias?" Graham asked.

"I do not know," Horowitz replied.

That is taken totally out of context, retard. I've already bitch slapped another tard for parroting this horseshit.

No. That is in context, and you only bitch slap your keyboard in frustrated desperation.

It's a proven fact Horowitz definitively did not criminally conclude absence presence of bias. Period. He was crystal clear and unambiguous.

And I don't think there too stupid to know it, I think you're just not man/woman/whatever enough to admit it.

 

[colfax_m]

Low unemployment didn’t help Dems in 2016. Most people don’t see themselves any better off. Corporate confidence is high, but do average people give a damn about their confidence?

Link that most people do not see themselves as better off LOL. Once again you are incorrect. I am not sure if you're lying or just hoping.

After stagnating for all 2016, median household incomes started to steadily rise. As a result, median household income today is 4% higher than it was in November 2016 — after adjusting for inflation — according to Sentier Research.

At $63,007, median household income is at all-time highs.


People are also far more optimistic today than they were two years ago. The Consumer Confidence Index was at 98.6 just before the 2016 elections.

Today, it stands at 137.9. To put that in perspective, this index was at 100 in 1985 — the year after Reagan won his landslide re-election.

Sentier research is a private firm with a small sample size from the CPS. These aren’t official numbers and prone to inaccurate swings. Looking at to narrow of a window will give you a misleading idea.

Median income was rising in 2015 and 2016 as one might expect with the continual tightening of the labor market which obviously wouldn’t have been present had Trump not had 4.7% unemployment in his first day of office.

Majority say they are not better off financially under Trump: poll

So the income is not higher? The Consumer Confidence Index is higher, regardless of who reports it. More data for you.

The IBD/TIPP Economic Optimism Index was at 51.4 in November 2016.

Two years ago, the IBD/TIPP Financial Stress Index stood at 56.3 — anything over 50 signals stress. The latest reading for this index: 48.4.

In other words, the public is 12% more optimistic about the economy and 14% less stressed about their personal finances than they were two years ago.

Business optimism is also far higher today than it was two years ago.


Despite Democrats' attacks on Republicans over health care, the fact is that those enrolling in ObamaCare right now are better off than they were in November 2016.

Two years ago, enrollees faced average premium increases of 25% and declining choices. This year, the average premium is down by 1.5% — the first time that's ever happened under ObamaCare.

Sure, income is higher, but the incomes have been rising for a few years now. Did rising incomes in 2016 protect the Dems?

View attachment 295208

I'm glad business optimism is up, but optimism doesn't cause economic growth. Investment does. Let's check in on business investment:
View attachment 295209

No real upward trend.

I will repeat:

After stagnating for all 2016, median household incomes started to steadily rise. As a result, median household income today is 4% higher than it was in November 2016 — after adjusting for inflation — according to Sentier Research.

At $63,007, median household income is at all-time highs.


People are also far more optimistic today than they were two years ago. The Consumer Confidence Index was at 98.6 just before the 2016 elections.

Today, it stands at 137.9. To put that in perspective, this index was at 100 in 1985 — the year after Reagan won his landslide re-election.

Consumer Confidence Index is around 40 pts higher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you see a trend in real median household income in this graph? Looks like it started going up in 2014 and the growth is tapering...

This is the actual official data, mind you.

Great to hear about consumer confidence. Why isn't the economy growing more quickly? Because consumer confidence doesn't mean anything. It's just a "feeling".

 

[colfax_m]

Cohen pled guilty to crimes related to Trump. That much is obvious.

Dershowitz makes lots of things that are definitely illegal go away. Just like he made criminal charges on Epstein disappear.

1. What crimes related to Trump did Cohen plead guilty to? Not the Trump Tower and not Stormy Daniels, those were Cohen's.
2. Dershowitz could have made the Stormy Daniels payment "crime" go away. At most Cohen would have paid a fine like Obama for breaking campaign finance laws: Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000

Evading campaign finance laws for a Trump were related to Trump. Lying about Trump tower is related to Trump. Papadopolous lied to protect Trump. Flynn lied to protect Trump. Stone lied to protect Trump.

These are all crimes related to Trump.

Fines are for inadvertent mistakes. Criminal charges are for intentional ones. The efforts Cohen went to conceal the payments indicate the violations were intentional.

Again, if Dershowitz can make child rape go away, you might be onto something, but I hardly think that’s a moral victory.

1. The only reason to lie about Trump Tower is that Cohen went into business for himself on that project.
2. Popadope was setup by the CIA's foreign assets. He did not lie for Trump. He did 2-weeks for being setup by illegal FBI surveillance.
3. Flynn was setup by the FBI (Comey) and stepped into Comey's perjury trap about a conversation with Kisliak
4. Stone had no reason to lie, not sure how you say its a lie for Trump? Wasn't it about wikileaks? As old as Stone is I wouldn't bet on memory failure over a deliberate lie. If they nailed Stone for a lie then they do know the truth, and no one is indicting Trump.

1. Cohen lied to protect Trump's lies. Trump claimed there was no deals with Russia. Cohen decided to conform to that lie.
2. Papadopolous admitted to lying for Trump. Trump claimed there was no connection in the campaign with Russia. Papadopolous decided to conform to that lie.
3. Flynn lied to protect Trump. Trump claimed there was no discussions with Russians. Flynn decided to conform to that lie.
4. Stone lied to protect Trump. Trump claimed they had no connection with Wikileaks. Stone decided to conform to that lie.

If Trump is so bad and such a liar then it should be easy to beat him in 11/20. Correct?

Please explain why the voters should not decide. Thanks.

Who said he's a bad liar? I think he's a good liar. Quite practiced. He's very good at getting people to believe his lies even when they're obviously false. People believe it anyway.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Link that most people do not see themselves as better off LOL. Once again you are incorrect. I am not sure if you're lying or just hoping.

After stagnating for all 2016, median household incomes started to steadily rise. As a result, median household income today is 4% higher than it was in November 2016 — after adjusting for inflation — according to Sentier Research.

At $63,007, median household income is at all-time highs.


People are also far more optimistic today than they were two years ago. The Consumer Confidence Index was at 98.6 just before the 2016 elections.

Today, it stands at 137.9. To put that in perspective, this index was at 100 in 1985 — the year after Reagan won his landslide re-election.

Sentier research is a private firm with a small sample size from the CPS. These aren’t official numbers and prone to inaccurate swings. Looking at to narrow of a window will give you a misleading idea.

Median income was rising in 2015 and 2016 as one might expect with the continual tightening of the labor market which obviously wouldn’t have been present had Trump not had 4.7% unemployment in his first day of office.

Majority say they are not better off financially under Trump: poll

So the income is not higher? The Consumer Confidence Index is higher, regardless of who reports it. More data for you.

The IBD/TIPP Economic Optimism Index was at 51.4 in November 2016.

Two years ago, the IBD/TIPP Financial Stress Index stood at 56.3 — anything over 50 signals stress. The latest reading for this index: 48.4.

In other words, the public is 12% more optimistic about the economy and 14% less stressed about their personal finances than they were two years ago.

Business optimism is also far higher today than it was two years ago.


Despite Democrats' attacks on Republicans over health care, the fact is that those enrolling in ObamaCare right now are better off than they were in November 2016.

Two years ago, enrollees faced average premium increases of 25% and declining choices. This year, the average premium is down by 1.5% — the first time that's ever happened under ObamaCare.

Sure, income is higher, but the incomes have been rising for a few years now. Did rising incomes in 2016 protect the Dems?

View attachment 295208

I'm glad business optimism is up, but optimism doesn't cause economic growth. Investment does. Let's check in on business investment:
View attachment 295209

No real upward trend.

I will repeat:

After stagnating for all 2016, median household incomes started to steadily rise. As a result, median household income today is 4% higher than it was in November 2016 — after adjusting for inflation — according to Sentier Research.

At $63,007, median household income is at all-time highs.


People are also far more optimistic today than they were two years ago. The Consumer Confidence Index was at 98.6 just before the 2016 elections.

Today, it stands at 137.9. To put that in perspective, this index was at 100 in 1985 — the year after Reagan won his landslide re-election.

Consumer Confidence Index is around 40 pts higher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

View attachment 295214

Do you see a trend in real median household income in this graph? Looks like it started going up in 2014 and the growth is tapering...

This is the actual official data, mind you.

Great to hear about consumer confidence. Why isn't the economy growing more quickly? Because consumer confidence doesn't mean anything. It's just a "feeling".

TRADE WAR. We are finally holding China accountable. Dow is up again. What more do you want? Honestly? Consumers drive 75% of the economy, they are confident because of rising wages and low unemployment (they go hand in hand). Why are you so negative on the positives?

 

[colfax_m]

Sentier research is a private firm with a small sample size from the CPS. These aren’t official numbers and prone to inaccurate swings. Looking at to narrow of a window will give you a misleading idea.

Median income was rising in 2015 and 2016 as one might expect with the continual tightening of the labor market which obviously wouldn’t have been present had Trump not had 4.7% unemployment in his first day of office.

Majority say they are not better off financially under Trump: poll

So the income is not higher? The Consumer Confidence Index is higher, regardless of who reports it. More data for you.

The IBD/TIPP Economic Optimism Index was at 51.4 in November 2016.

Two years ago, the IBD/TIPP Financial Stress Index stood at 56.3 — anything over 50 signals stress. The latest reading for this index: 48.4.

In other words, the public is 12% more optimistic about the economy and 14% less stressed about their personal finances than they were two years ago.

Business optimism is also far higher today than it was two years ago.


Despite Democrats' attacks on Republicans over health care, the fact is that those enrolling in ObamaCare right now are better off than they were in November 2016.

Two years ago, enrollees faced average premium increases of 25% and declining choices. This year, the average premium is down by 1.5% — the first time that's ever happened under ObamaCare.

Sure, income is higher, but the incomes have been rising for a few years now. Did rising incomes in 2016 protect the Dems?

View attachment 295208

I'm glad business optimism is up, but optimism doesn't cause economic growth. Investment does. Let's check in on business investment:
View attachment 295209

No real upward trend.

I will repeat:

After stagnating for all 2016, median household incomes started to steadily rise. As a result, median household income today is 4% higher than it was in November 2016 — after adjusting for inflation — according to Sentier Research.

At $63,007, median household income is at all-time highs.


People are also far more optimistic today than they were two years ago. The Consumer Confidence Index was at 98.6 just before the 2016 elections.

Today, it stands at 137.9. To put that in perspective, this index was at 100 in 1985 — the year after Reagan won his landslide re-election.

Consumer Confidence Index is around 40 pts higher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

View attachment 295214

Do you see a trend in real median household income in this graph? Looks like it started going up in 2014 and the growth is tapering...

This is the actual official data, mind you.

Great to hear about consumer confidence. Why isn't the economy growing more quickly? Because consumer confidence doesn't mean anything. It's just a "feeling".

TRADE WAR. We are finally holding China accountable. Dow is up again. What more do you want? Honestly? Consumers drive 75% of the economy, they are confident because of rising wages and low unemployment (they go hand in hand). Why are you so negative on the positives?

Trade war! Our trade deficit is at record highs.
I want the economy growing and the deficit shrinking. And it would be nice if we were poised to combat the next recession.

What we have are short term fixes. Pumping up the economy with deficits and low interest rates. Can't remember a time where that ever went bad? I can.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

1. What crimes related to Trump did Cohen plead guilty to? Not the Trump Tower and not Stormy Daniels, those were Cohen's.
2. Dershowitz could have made the Stormy Daniels payment "crime" go away. At most Cohen would have paid a fine like Obama for breaking campaign finance laws: Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000

Evading campaign finance laws for a Trump were related to Trump. Lying about Trump tower is related to Trump. Papadopolous lied to protect Trump. Flynn lied to protect Trump. Stone lied to protect Trump.

These are all crimes related to Trump.

Fines are for inadvertent mistakes. Criminal charges are for intentional ones. The efforts Cohen went to conceal the payments indicate the violations were intentional.

Again, if Dershowitz can make child rape go away, you might be onto something, but I hardly think that’s a moral victory.

1. The only reason to lie about Trump Tower is that Cohen went into business for himself on that project.
2. Popadope was setup by the CIA's foreign assets. He did not lie for Trump. He did 2-weeks for being setup by illegal FBI surveillance.
3. Flynn was setup by the FBI (Comey) and stepped into Comey's perjury trap about a conversation with Kisliak
4. Stone had no reason to lie, not sure how you say its a lie for Trump? Wasn't it about wikileaks? As old as Stone is I wouldn't bet on memory failure over a deliberate lie. If they nailed Stone for a lie then they do know the truth, and no one is indicting Trump.

1. Cohen lied to protect Trump's lies. Trump claimed there was no deals with Russia. Cohen decided to conform to that lie.
2. Papadopolous admitted to lying for Trump. Trump claimed there was no connection in the campaign with Russia. Papadopolous decided to conform to that lie.
3. Flynn lied to protect Trump. Trump claimed there was no discussions with Russians. Flynn decided to conform to that lie.
4. Stone lied to protect Trump. Trump claimed they had no connection with Wikileaks. Stone decided to conform to that lie.

If Trump is so bad and such a liar then it should be easy to beat him in 11/20. Correct?

Please explain why the voters should not decide. Thanks.

Who said he's a bad liar? I think he's a good liar. Quite practiced. He's very good at getting people to believe his lies even when they're obviously false. People believe it anyway.

OK, so why not let the voters decide? 63mil voted for him in 2016. Since he was elected the Dow has gained 10,000 pts. Let us decided in 2020. Why is that such a big deal?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

So the income is not higher? The Consumer Confidence Index is higher, regardless of who reports it. More data for you.

The IBD/TIPP Economic Optimism Index was at 51.4 in November 2016.

Two years ago, the IBD/TIPP Financial Stress Index stood at 56.3 — anything over 50 signals stress. The latest reading for this index: 48.4.

In other words, the public is 12% more optimistic about the economy and 14% less stressed about their personal finances than they were two years ago.

Business optimism is also far higher today than it was two years ago.


Despite Democrats' attacks on Republicans over health care, the fact is that those enrolling in ObamaCare right now are better off than they were in November 2016.

Two years ago, enrollees faced average premium increases of 25% and declining choices. This year, the average premium is down by 1.5% — the first time that's ever happened under ObamaCare.

Sure, income is higher, but the incomes have been rising for a few years now. Did rising incomes in 2016 protect the Dems?

View attachment 295208

I'm glad business optimism is up, but optimism doesn't cause economic growth. Investment does. Let's check in on business investment:
View attachment 295209

No real upward trend.

I will repeat:

After stagnating for all 2016, median household incomes started to steadily rise. As a result, median household income today is 4% higher than it was in November 2016 — after adjusting for inflation — according to Sentier Research.

At $63,007, median household income is at all-time highs.


People are also far more optimistic today than they were two years ago. The Consumer Confidence Index was at 98.6 just before the 2016 elections.

Today, it stands at 137.9. To put that in perspective, this index was at 100 in 1985 — the year after Reagan won his landslide re-election.

Consumer Confidence Index is around 40 pts higher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

View attachment 295214

Do you see a trend in real median household income in this graph? Looks like it started going up in 2014 and the growth is tapering...

This is the actual official data, mind you.

Great to hear about consumer confidence. Why isn't the economy growing more quickly? Because consumer confidence doesn't mean anything. It's just a "feeling".

TRADE WAR. We are finally holding China accountable. Dow is up again. What more do you want? Honestly? Consumers drive 75% of the economy, they are confident because of rising wages and low unemployment (they go hand in hand). Why are you so negative on the positives?

Trade war! Our trade deficit is at record highs.
I want the economy growing and the deficit shrinking. And it would be nice if we were poised to combat the next recession.

What we have are short term fixes. Pumping up the economy with deficits and low interest rates. Can't remember a time where that ever went bad? I can.

You lie. To shrink the deficit you need to attack entitlements, tough to do in your first term. Again stock market is up 10,000 since he took office, a lot of happy people with 401Ks and IRAs. That is real $$$. 10,000 points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is data even you cannot dispute and you're a biased Leftist.

 

[kyzr]

Cohen is in jail because he's a very stupid lawyer.
Michael Cohen (lawyer) - Wikipedia
"Cohen pleaded guilty to eight criminal charges: five counts of tax evasion, one count of making false statements to a financial institution, one count of willfully causing an unlawful corporate contribution, and one count of making an excessive campaign contribution at the request of a candidate (Trump) for the "principal purpose of influencing [the] election
Cohen had told Congress that the "Trump Tower Moscow" deal ceased in January 2016 when it actually ended in June 2016, and that he had not received a response about the deal from the office of a senior Russian official when he actually had."

Pleading guilty for the Stormy Daniels payment was stupid, he should have hired a real lawyer instead of hyper-democrat Lanny Davis!! DUH!!
Dershowitz: Trump 'Absolutely' Did Nothing Wrong With Payments

Cohen pled guilty to crimes related to Trump. That much is obvious.

Dershowitz makes lots of things that are definitely illegal go away. Just like he made criminal charges on Epstein disappear.

1. What crimes related to Trump did Cohen plead guilty to? Not the Trump Tower and not Stormy Daniels, those were Cohen's.
2. Dershowitz could have made the Stormy Daniels payment "crime" go away. At most Cohen would have paid a fine like Obama for breaking campaign finance laws: Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000

Evading campaign finance laws for a Trump were related to Trump. Lying about Trump tower is related to Trump. Papadopolous lied to protect Trump. Flynn lied to protect Trump. Stone lied to protect Trump.

These are all crimes related to Trump.

Fines are for inadvertent mistakes. Criminal charges are for intentional ones. The efforts Cohen went to conceal the payments indicate the violations were intentional.

Again, if Dershowitz can make child rape go away, you might be onto something, but I hardly think that’s a moral victory.

1. The only reason to lie about Trump Tower is that Cohen went into business for himself on that project.
2. Popadope was setup by the CIA's foreign assets. He did not lie for Trump. He did 2-weeks for being setup by illegal FBI surveillance.
3. Flynn was setup by the FBI (Comey) and stepped into Comey's perjury trap about a conversation with Kisliak
4. Stone had no reason to lie, not sure how you say its a lie for Trump? Wasn't it about wikileaks? As old as Stone is I wouldn't bet on memory failure over a deliberate lie. If they nailed Stone for a lie then they do know the truth, and no one is indicting Trump.

1. Cohen lied to protect Trump's lies. Trump claimed there was no deals with Russia. Cohen decided to conform to that lie.
2. Papadopolous admitted to lying for Trump. Trump claimed there was no connection in the campaign with Russia. Papadopolous decided to conform to that lie.
3. Flynn lied to protect Trump. Trump claimed there was no discussions with Russians. Flynn decided to conform to that lie.
4. Stone lied to protect Trump. Trump claimed they had no connection with Wikileaks. Stone decided to conform to that lie.

1. Trump told Cohen to end negotiations for the Tower in January, and he kept negotiating. He lied to keep his job, and got caught, duh.
2. Popadope didn't admit lying for Trump, he "lied" because he was setup by the CIA and didn't know it, 2-weeks in jail, some "crime".
3. Flynn spoke with Kisliak and said "I don't recall" an answer that Hillary always used, but Flynn gets nailed in an FBI perjury trap
4. Stone didn't need to lie about wikileaks, who cares if he spoke to wikileaks and Trump didn't know, another case of stupidity, not criminality.

Lets look at Hillary's criminality by comparison:
1. The UraniumOne scam, a quick $47m
2. The Clinton Foundation, aka pay-to-play cash cow
3. Her illegal bathroom server
4. Her destroying subpoenaed evidence
5. Her saying "I don't recall" 39x when questioned
6. Her missing 30,000 emails
7. Her mishandling of classified information
8. Her getting a pass from Comey from prosecution because of her "intent" (does Trump get the same pass?)

 

[colfax_m]

Cohen pled guilty to crimes related to Trump. That much is obvious.

Dershowitz makes lots of things that are definitely illegal go away. Just like he made criminal charges on Epstein disappear.

1. What crimes related to Trump did Cohen plead guilty to? Not the Trump Tower and not Stormy Daniels, those were Cohen's.
2. Dershowitz could have made the Stormy Daniels payment "crime" go away. At most Cohen would have paid a fine like Obama for breaking campaign finance laws: Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000

Evading campaign finance laws for a Trump were related to Trump. Lying about Trump tower is related to Trump. Papadopolous lied to protect Trump. Flynn lied to protect Trump. Stone lied to protect Trump.

These are all crimes related to Trump.

Fines are for inadvertent mistakes. Criminal charges are for intentional ones. The efforts Cohen went to conceal the payments indicate the violations were intentional.

Again, if Dershowitz can make child rape go away, you might be onto something, but I hardly think that’s a moral victory.

1. The only reason to lie about Trump Tower is that Cohen went into business for himself on that project.
2. Popadope was setup by the CIA's foreign assets. He did not lie for Trump. He did 2-weeks for being setup by illegal FBI surveillance.
3. Flynn was setup by the FBI (Comey) and stepped into Comey's perjury trap about a conversation with Kisliak
4. Stone had no reason to lie, not sure how you say its a lie for Trump? Wasn't it about wikileaks? As old as Stone is I wouldn't bet on memory failure over a deliberate lie. If they nailed Stone for a lie then they do know the truth, and no one is indicting Trump.

1. Cohen lied to protect Trump's lies. Trump claimed there was no deals with Russia. Cohen decided to conform to that lie.
2. Papadopolous admitted to lying for Trump. Trump claimed there was no connection in the campaign with Russia. Papadopolous decided to conform to that lie.
3. Flynn lied to protect Trump. Trump claimed there was no discussions with Russians. Flynn decided to conform to that lie.
4. Stone lied to protect Trump. Trump claimed they had no connection with Wikileaks. Stone decided to conform to that lie.

1. Trump told Cohen to end negotiations for the Tower in January, and he kept negotiating. He lied to keep his job, and got caught, duh.
2. Popadope didn't admit lying for Trump, he "lied" because he was setup by the CIA and didn't know it, 2-weeks in jail, some "crime".
3. Flynn spoke with Kisliak and said "I don't recall" an answer that Hillary always used, but Flynn gets nailed in an FBI perjury trap
4. Stone didn't need to lie about wikileaks, who cares if he spoke to wikileaks and Trump didn't know, another case of stupidity, not criminality.

Lets look at Hillary's criminality by comparison:
1. The UraniumOne scam, a quick $47m
2. The Clinton Foundation, aka pay-to-play cash cow
3. Her illegal bathroom server
4. Her destroying subpoenaed evidence
5. Her saying "I don't recall" 39x when questioned
6. Her missing 30,000 emails
7. Her mishandling of classified information
8. Her getting a pass from Comey from prosecution because of her "intent" (does Trump get the same pass?)

1. Trump never told Cohen to stop negotiations. He lied so as not to contradict Trump.
2. Papadopolous wasn't set up. He lied and admitted it. He admitted he did it to protect Trump.
Excerpts From the New York Times Interview With George Papadopoulos
3. There's no way Flynn "forgot" he talked to Kislyak about sanctions. That was the entire point of the phone call. Here's how it went down. Flynn got a text from Kislyak to call him. Flynn called someone in a senior position in the Trump campaign for advice about what to say about sanctions. He got orders from them. He then called Kislyak and told them what he was told to say. Immediately after hanging up with Kislyak, Flynn called the senior Trump admin official to tell them the job was done. Kislyak called Flynn a few days later to tell him the Russians took into consideration what he told them and acted accordingly. Flynn passed this along to the Trump campaign.
You want me to believe that Flynn FORGOT all this happened a few weeks later? Give me a break.
4. Stone lied to protect Trump because Stone talked to Trump about his contacts which Trump had publicly denied.

Do you see a pattern? People close to Trump lie on his behalf in an effort not to contradict Trump's lies. This is how Trump eats people's souls.

 

[colfax_m]

Sure, income is higher, but the incomes have been rising for a few years now. Did rising incomes in 2016 protect the Dems?

View attachment 295208

I'm glad business optimism is up, but optimism doesn't cause economic growth. Investment does. Let's check in on business investment:
View attachment 295209

No real upward trend.

I will repeat:

After stagnating for all 2016, median household incomes started to steadily rise. As a result, median household income today is 4% higher than it was in November 2016 — after adjusting for inflation — according to Sentier Research.

At $63,007, median household income is at all-time highs.


People are also far more optimistic today than they were two years ago. The Consumer Confidence Index was at 98.6 just before the 2016 elections.

Today, it stands at 137.9. To put that in perspective, this index was at 100 in 1985 — the year after Reagan won his landslide re-election.

Consumer Confidence Index is around 40 pts higher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

View attachment 295214

Do you see a trend in real median household income in this graph? Looks like it started going up in 2014 and the growth is tapering...

This is the actual official data, mind you.

Great to hear about consumer confidence. Why isn't the economy growing more quickly? Because consumer confidence doesn't mean anything. It's just a "feeling".

TRADE WAR. We are finally holding China accountable. Dow is up again. What more do you want? Honestly? Consumers drive 75% of the economy, they are confident because of rising wages and low unemployment (they go hand in hand). Why are you so negative on the positives?

Trade war! Our trade deficit is at record highs.
I want the economy growing and the deficit shrinking. And it would be nice if we were poised to combat the next recession.

What we have are short term fixes. Pumping up the economy with deficits and low interest rates. Can't remember a time where that ever went bad? I can.

You lie. To shrink the deficit you need to attack entitlements, tough to do in your first term. Again stock market is up 10,000 since he took office, a lot of happy people with 401Ks and IRAs. That is real $$$. 10,000 points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is data even you cannot dispute and you're a biased Leftist.

Can't dispute the stock market going up. Pumping up the deficit to a trillion dollars year and year out with tax cuts for corporations will do that. Not surprising to me at all.

Want to attack the deficit? First step is not to pass massive tax cuts.

Want to know why a lot of people don't feel better off even though the DOW is way up? Half the country has no money in the stock market.

 

[colfax_m]

Evading campaign finance laws for a Trump were related to Trump. Lying about Trump tower is related to Trump. Papadopolous lied to protect Trump. Flynn lied to protect Trump. Stone lied to protect Trump.

These are all crimes related to Trump.

Fines are for inadvertent mistakes. Criminal charges are for intentional ones. The efforts Cohen went to conceal the payments indicate the violations were intentional.

Again, if Dershowitz can make child rape go away, you might be onto something, but I hardly think that’s a moral victory.

1. The only reason to lie about Trump Tower is that Cohen went into business for himself on that project.
2. Popadope was setup by the CIA's foreign assets. He did not lie for Trump. He did 2-weeks for being setup by illegal FBI surveillance.
3. Flynn was setup by the FBI (Comey) and stepped into Comey's perjury trap about a conversation with Kisliak
4. Stone had no reason to lie, not sure how you say its a lie for Trump? Wasn't it about wikileaks? As old as Stone is I wouldn't bet on memory failure over a deliberate lie. If they nailed Stone for a lie then they do know the truth, and no one is indicting Trump.

1. Cohen lied to protect Trump's lies. Trump claimed there was no deals with Russia. Cohen decided to conform to that lie.
2. Papadopolous admitted to lying for Trump. Trump claimed there was no connection in the campaign with Russia. Papadopolous decided to conform to that lie.
3. Flynn lied to protect Trump. Trump claimed there was no discussions with Russians. Flynn decided to conform to that lie.
4. Stone lied to protect Trump. Trump claimed they had no connection with Wikileaks. Stone decided to conform to that lie.

If Trump is so bad and such a liar then it should be easy to beat him in 11/20. Correct?

Please explain why the voters should not decide. Thanks.

Who said he's a bad liar? I think he's a good liar. Quite practiced. He's very good at getting people to believe his lies even when they're obviously false. People believe it anyway.

OK, so why not let the voters decide? 63mil voted for him in 2016. Since he was elected the Dow has gained 10,000 pts. Let us decided in 2020. Why is that such a big deal?

Who said the voters aren't going to get to decide in 2020?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I will repeat:

After stagnating for all 2016, median household incomes started to steadily rise. As a result, median household income today is 4% higher than it was in November 2016 — after adjusting for inflation — according to Sentier Research.

At $63,007, median household income is at all-time highs.


People are also far more optimistic today than they were two years ago. The Consumer Confidence Index was at 98.6 just before the 2016 elections.

Today, it stands at 137.9. To put that in perspective, this index was at 100 in 1985 — the year after Reagan won his landslide re-election.

Consumer Confidence Index is around 40 pts higher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Do you see a trend in real median household income in this graph? Looks like it started going up in 2014 and the growth is tapering...

This is the actual official data, mind you.

Great to hear about consumer confidence. Why isn't the economy growing more quickly? Because consumer confidence doesn't mean anything. It's just a "feeling".

TRADE WAR. We are finally holding China accountable. Dow is up again. What more do you want? Honestly? Consumers drive 75% of the economy, they are confident because of rising wages and low unemployment (they go hand in hand). Why are you so negative on the positives?

Trade war! Our trade deficit is at record highs.
I want the economy growing and the deficit shrinking. And it would be nice if we were poised to combat the next recession.

What we have are short term fixes. Pumping up the economy with deficits and low interest rates. Can't remember a time where that ever went bad? I can.

You lie. To shrink the deficit you need to attack entitlements, tough to do in your first term. Again stock market is up 10,000 since he took office, a lot of happy people with 401Ks and IRAs. That is real $$$. 10,000 points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is data even you cannot dispute and you're a biased Leftist.

Can't dispute the stock market going up. Pumping up the deficit to a trillion dollars year and year out with tax cuts for corporations will do that. Not surprising to me at all.

Want to attack the deficit? First step is not to pass massive tax cuts.

Want to know why a lot of people don't feel better off even though the DOW is way up? Half the country has no money in the stock market.

#1) Up 10,000 and Obama pumped $$ into the economy as well. Stop it. Of course you cannot dispute it. Nor can you dispute the rise in consumer confidence.

#2) First step is to attack entitlements. The tax cuts helped the rise in the market. Duh. Companies spent more and hired more.

#3) People do feel better -- see the consumer confidence index.

Half the country DOES. Which is over 160 million people.

You're just a negative Leftist.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

1. The only reason to lie about Trump Tower is that Cohen went into business for himself on that project.
2. Popadope was setup by the CIA's foreign assets. He did not lie for Trump. He did 2-weeks for being setup by illegal FBI surveillance.
3. Flynn was setup by the FBI (Comey) and stepped into Comey's perjury trap about a conversation with Kisliak
4. Stone had no reason to lie, not sure how you say its a lie for Trump? Wasn't it about wikileaks? As old as Stone is I wouldn't bet on memory failure over a deliberate lie. If they nailed Stone for a lie then they do know the truth, and no one is indicting Trump.

1. Cohen lied to protect Trump's lies. Trump claimed there was no deals with Russia. Cohen decided to conform to that lie.
2. Papadopolous admitted to lying for Trump. Trump claimed there was no connection in the campaign with Russia. Papadopolous decided to conform to that lie.
3. Flynn lied to protect Trump. Trump claimed there was no discussions with Russians. Flynn decided to conform to that lie.
4. Stone lied to protect Trump. Trump claimed they had no connection with Wikileaks. Stone decided to conform to that lie.

If Trump is so bad and such a liar then it should be easy to beat him in 11/20. Correct?

Please explain why the voters should not decide. Thanks.

Who said he's a bad liar? I think he's a good liar. Quite practiced. He's very good at getting people to believe his lies even when they're obviously false. People believe it anyway.

OK, so why not let the voters decide? 63mil voted for him in 2016. Since he was elected the Dow has gained 10,000 pts. Let us decided in 2020. Why is that such a big deal?

Who said the voters aren't going to get to decide in 2020?

You support impeachment and removal. Yes or No?

 

[kyzr]

1. What crimes related to Trump did Cohen plead guilty to? Not the Trump Tower and not Stormy Daniels, those were Cohen's.
2. Dershowitz could have made the Stormy Daniels payment "crime" go away. At most Cohen would have paid a fine like Obama for breaking campaign finance laws: Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000

Evading campaign finance laws for a Trump were related to Trump. Lying about Trump tower is related to Trump. Papadopolous lied to protect Trump. Flynn lied to protect Trump. Stone lied to protect Trump.

These are all crimes related to Trump.

Fines are for inadvertent mistakes. Criminal charges are for intentional ones. The efforts Cohen went to conceal the payments indicate the violations were intentional.

Again, if Dershowitz can make child rape go away, you might be onto something, but I hardly think that’s a moral victory.

1. The only reason to lie about Trump Tower is that Cohen went into business for himself on that project.
2. Popadope was setup by the CIA's foreign assets. He did not lie for Trump. He did 2-weeks for being setup by illegal FBI surveillance.
3. Flynn was setup by the FBI (Comey) and stepped into Comey's perjury trap about a conversation with Kisliak
4. Stone had no reason to lie, not sure how you say its a lie for Trump? Wasn't it about wikileaks? As old as Stone is I wouldn't bet on memory failure over a deliberate lie. If they nailed Stone for a lie then they do know the truth, and no one is indicting Trump.

1. Cohen lied to protect Trump's lies. Trump claimed there was no deals with Russia. Cohen decided to conform to that lie.
2. Papadopolous admitted to lying for Trump. Trump claimed there was no connection in the campaign with Russia. Papadopolous decided to conform to that lie.
3. Flynn lied to protect Trump. Trump claimed there was no discussions with Russians. Flynn decided to conform to that lie.
4. Stone lied to protect Trump. Trump claimed they had no connection with Wikileaks. Stone decided to conform to that lie.

1. Trump told Cohen to end negotiations for the Tower in January, and he kept negotiating. He lied to keep his job, and got caught, duh.
2. Popadope didn't admit lying for Trump, he "lied" because he was setup by the CIA and didn't know it, 2-weeks in jail, some "crime".
3. Flynn spoke with Kisliak and said "I don't recall" an answer that Hillary always used, but Flynn gets nailed in an FBI perjury trap
4. Stone didn't need to lie about wikileaks, who cares if he spoke to wikileaks and Trump didn't know, another case of stupidity, not criminality.

Lets look at Hillary's criminality by comparison:
1. The UraniumOne scam, a quick $47m
2. The Clinton Foundation, aka pay-to-play cash cow
3. Her illegal bathroom server
4. Her destroying subpoenaed evidence
5. Her saying "I don't recall" 39x when questioned
6. Her missing 30,000 emails
7. Her mishandling of classified information
8. Her getting a pass from Comey from prosecution because of her "intent" (does Trump get the same pass?)

1. Trump never told Cohen to stop negotiations. He lied so as not to contradict Trump.
2. Papadopolous wasn't set up. He lied and admitted it. He admitted he did it to protect Trump.
Excerpts From the New York Times Interview With George Papadopoulos
3. There's no way Flynn "forgot" he talked to Kislyak about sanctions. That was the entire point of the phone call. Here's how it went down. Flynn got a text from Kislyak to call him. Flynn called someone in a senior position in the Trump campaign for advice about what to say about sanctions. He got orders from them. He then called Kislyak and told them what he was told to say. Immediately after hanging up with Kislyak, Flynn called the senior Trump admin official to tell them the job was done. Kislyak called Flynn a few days later to tell him the Russians took into consideration what he told them and acted accordingly. Flynn passed this along to the Trump campaign.
You want me to believe that Flynn FORGOT all this happened a few weeks later? Give me a break.
4. Stone lied to protect Trump because Stone talked to Trump about his contacts which Trump had publicly denied.

Do you see a pattern? People close to Trump lie on his behalf in an effort not to contradict Trump's lies. This is how Trump eats people's souls.

1. "“Mr. Trump did not directly tell me to lie to Congress." Trump Tower Moscow, and Michael Cohen’s lies about it, explained
2. Popadopulous was setup, just ask him Papadopoulos argues he may have been 'entrapped'
3. As the DNI Flynn's job was to talk to Russians and other countries, this was not a campaign "perjury" but after moving into the WH. The FBI recorded the conversation and if Flynn got one word wrong its a crime. That is by definition a "perjury trap": How come Hillary can say "I don't recall" 39x and its fine?
4. Stone is a moron who got what he deserved if he lied under oath. No one cares if Trump had someone contact wikileaks and see if what they had. Especially after Hillary actually paid Russians for "dirt" on Trump. The Steel Dossier is "foreign interference in a US election" how come that gets a pass and wasn't investigated by Mueller as "Russian Collusion"?

 

[colfax_m]

Evading campaign finance laws for a Trump were related to Trump. Lying about Trump tower is related to Trump. Papadopolous lied to protect Trump. Flynn lied to protect Trump. Stone lied to protect Trump.

These are all crimes related to Trump.

Fines are for inadvertent mistakes. Criminal charges are for intentional ones. The efforts Cohen went to conceal the payments indicate the violations were intentional.

Again, if Dershowitz can make child rape go away, you might be onto something, but I hardly think that’s a moral victory.

1. The only reason to lie about Trump Tower is that Cohen went into business for himself on that project.
2. Popadope was setup by the CIA's foreign assets. He did not lie for Trump. He did 2-weeks for being setup by illegal FBI surveillance.
3. Flynn was setup by the FBI (Comey) and stepped into Comey's perjury trap about a conversation with Kisliak
4. Stone had no reason to lie, not sure how you say its a lie for Trump? Wasn't it about wikileaks? As old as Stone is I wouldn't bet on memory failure over a deliberate lie. If they nailed Stone for a lie then they do know the truth, and no one is indicting Trump.

1. Cohen lied to protect Trump's lies. Trump claimed there was no deals with Russia. Cohen decided to conform to that lie.
2. Papadopolous admitted to lying for Trump. Trump claimed there was no connection in the campaign with Russia. Papadopolous decided to conform to that lie.
3. Flynn lied to protect Trump. Trump claimed there was no discussions with Russians. Flynn decided to conform to that lie.
4. Stone lied to protect Trump. Trump claimed they had no connection with Wikileaks. Stone decided to conform to that lie.

1. Trump told Cohen to end negotiations for the Tower in January, and he kept negotiating. He lied to keep his job, and got caught, duh.
2. Popadope didn't admit lying for Trump, he "lied" because he was setup by the CIA and didn't know it, 2-weeks in jail, some "crime".
3. Flynn spoke with Kisliak and said "I don't recall" an answer that Hillary always used, but Flynn gets nailed in an FBI perjury trap
4. Stone didn't need to lie about wikileaks, who cares if he spoke to wikileaks and Trump didn't know, another case of stupidity, not criminality.

Lets look at Hillary's criminality by comparison:
1. The UraniumOne scam, a quick $47m
2. The Clinton Foundation, aka pay-to-play cash cow
3. Her illegal bathroom server
4. Her destroying subpoenaed evidence
5. Her saying "I don't recall" 39x when questioned
6. Her missing 30,000 emails
7. Her mishandling of classified information
8. Her getting a pass from Comey from prosecution because of her "intent" (does Trump get the same pass?)

1. Trump never told Cohen to stop negotiations. He lied so as not to contradict Trump.
2. Papadopolous wasn't set up. He lied and admitted it. He admitted he did it to protect Trump.
Excerpts From the New York Times Interview With George Papadopoulos
3. There's no way Flynn "forgot" he talked to Kislyak about sanctions. That was the entire point of the phone call. Here's how it went down. Flynn got a text from Kislyak to call him. Flynn called someone in a senior position in the Trump campaign for advice about what to say about sanctions. He got orders from them. He then called Kislyak and told them what he was told to say. Immediately after hanging up with Kislyak, Flynn called the senior Trump admin official to tell them the job was done. Kislyak called Flynn a few days later to tell him the Russians took into consideration what he told them and acted accordingly. Flynn passed this along to the Trump campaign.
You want me to believe that Flynn FORGOT all this happened a few weeks later? Give me a break.
4. Stone lied to protect Trump because Stone talked to Trump about his contacts which Trump had publicly denied.

Do you see a pattern? People close to Trump lie on his behalf in an effort not to contradict Trump's lies. This is how Trump eats people's souls.

1. "“Mr. Trump did not directly tell me to lie to Congress." Trump Tower Moscow, and Michael Cohen’s lies about it, explained
2. Popadopulous was setup, just ask him Papadopoulos argues he may have been 'entrapped'
3. As the DNI Flynn's job was to talk to Russians and other countries, this was not a campaign "perjury" but after moving into the WH. The FBI recorded the conversation and if Flynn got one word wrong its a crime. That is by definition a "perjury trap": How come Hillary can say "I don't recall" 39x and its fine?
4. Stone is a moron who got what he deserved if he lied under oath. No one cares if Trump had someone contact wikileaks and see if what they had. Especially after Hillary actually paid Russians for "dirt" on Trump. The Steel Dossier is "foreign interference in a US election" how come that gets a pass and wasn't investigated by Mueller as "Russian Collusion"?

1. Nice link. It doesn't say what you claimed.
2. Papadopolous already admitted to lying and why he did it. Entrapment? That's absurd. No one attempted to compel the coffee boy to lie about his contacts.
3. Flynn wasn't the DNI when he called Kislyak. He lied about it after he became DNI. Flynn didn't "just get one word wrong". He decided to omit an entire process he undertook. Stop trying to minimize what he did. That is not "by definition" a perjury trap. A perjury trap is totally different. If you ask someone a very specific detail a year later and they say something wrong, it's hard to prove it was intentional. If Flynn just happened to remember half a dozen phone calls, coordination and planning that went into a policy objective just 3 weeks later, then it looks a hell of a lot more intentional. And Flynn didn't say "I don't remember". He said it didn't come up.
4. Stone lied to protect Trump. They're both morons.

 

[colfax_m]

1. Cohen lied to protect Trump's lies. Trump claimed there was no deals with Russia. Cohen decided to conform to that lie.
2. Papadopolous admitted to lying for Trump. Trump claimed there was no connection in the campaign with Russia. Papadopolous decided to conform to that lie.
3. Flynn lied to protect Trump. Trump claimed there was no discussions with Russians. Flynn decided to conform to that lie.
4. Stone lied to protect Trump. Trump claimed they had no connection with Wikileaks. Stone decided to conform to that lie.

If Trump is so bad and such a liar then it should be easy to beat him in 11/20. Correct?

Please explain why the voters should not decide. Thanks.

Who said he's a bad liar? I think he's a good liar. Quite practiced. He's very good at getting people to believe his lies even when they're obviously false. People believe it anyway.

OK, so why not let the voters decide? 63mil voted for him in 2016. Since he was elected the Dow has gained 10,000 pts. Let us decided in 2020. Why is that such a big deal?

Who said the voters aren't going to get to decide in 2020?

You support impeachment and removal. Yes or No?

Still kind of on the fence. I go back and forth. I want an actual trial with actual witnesses. Not a fixed trial.

I don't get the point though. Are you saying we can't impeach people because we should have elections instead?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

If Trump is so bad and such a liar then it should be easy to beat him in 11/20. Correct?

Please explain why the voters should not decide. Thanks.

Who said he's a bad liar? I think he's a good liar. Quite practiced. He's very good at getting people to believe his lies even when they're obviously false. People believe it anyway.

OK, so why not let the voters decide? 63mil voted for him in 2016. Since he was elected the Dow has gained 10,000 pts. Let us decided in 2020. Why is that such a big deal?

Who said the voters aren't going to get to decide in 2020?

You support impeachment and removal. Yes or No?

Still kind of on the fence. I go back and forth. I want an actual trial with actual witnesses. Not a fixed trial.

I don't get the point though. Are you saying we can't impeach people because we should have elections instead?

My point is that impeachment should be bi-partisan. This one is not.

 

[colfax_m]

Who said he's a bad liar? I think he's a good liar. Quite practiced. He's very good at getting people to believe his lies even when they're obviously false. People believe it anyway.

OK, so why not let the voters decide? 63mil voted for him in 2016. Since he was elected the Dow has gained 10,000 pts. Let us decided in 2020. Why is that such a big deal?

Who said the voters aren't going to get to decide in 2020?

You support impeachment and removal. Yes or No?

Still kind of on the fence. I go back and forth. I want an actual trial with actual witnesses. Not a fixed trial.

I don't get the point though. Are you saying we can't impeach people because we should have elections instead?

My point is that impeachment should be bi-partisan. This one is not.

I see no reason to require it to be bipartisan, especially when one party is more loyal to their president than the constitution.

 

[kyzr]

1. The only reason to lie about Trump Tower is that Cohen went into business for himself on that project.
2. Popadope was setup by the CIA's foreign assets. He did not lie for Trump. He did 2-weeks for being setup by illegal FBI surveillance.
3. Flynn was setup by the FBI (Comey) and stepped into Comey's perjury trap about a conversation with Kisliak
4. Stone had no reason to lie, not sure how you say its a lie for Trump? Wasn't it about wikileaks? As old as Stone is I wouldn't bet on memory failure over a deliberate lie. If they nailed Stone for a lie then they do know the truth, and no one is indicting Trump.

1. Cohen lied to protect Trump's lies. Trump claimed there was no deals with Russia. Cohen decided to conform to that lie.
2. Papadopolous admitted to lying for Trump. Trump claimed there was no connection in the campaign with Russia. Papadopolous decided to conform to that lie.
3. Flynn lied to protect Trump. Trump claimed there was no discussions with Russians. Flynn decided to conform to that lie.
4. Stone lied to protect Trump. Trump claimed they had no connection with Wikileaks. Stone decided to conform to that lie.

1. Trump told Cohen to end negotiations for the Tower in January, and he kept negotiating. He lied to keep his job, and got caught, duh.
2. Popadope didn't admit lying for Trump, he "lied" because he was setup by the CIA and didn't know it, 2-weeks in jail, some "crime".
3. Flynn spoke with Kisliak and said "I don't recall" an answer that Hillary always used, but Flynn gets nailed in an FBI perjury trap
4. Stone didn't need to lie about wikileaks, who cares if he spoke to wikileaks and Trump didn't know, another case of stupidity, not criminality.

Lets look at Hillary's criminality by comparison:
1. The UraniumOne scam, a quick $47m
2. The Clinton Foundation, aka pay-to-play cash cow
3. Her illegal bathroom server
4. Her destroying subpoenaed evidence
5. Her saying "I don't recall" 39x when questioned
6. Her missing 30,000 emails
7. Her mishandling of classified information
8. Her getting a pass from Comey from prosecution because of her "intent" (does Trump get the same pass?)

1. Trump never told Cohen to stop negotiations. He lied so as not to contradict Trump.
2. Papadopolous wasn't set up. He lied and admitted it. He admitted he did it to protect Trump.
Excerpts From the New York Times Interview With George Papadopoulos
3. There's no way Flynn "forgot" he talked to Kislyak about sanctions. That was the entire point of the phone call. Here's how it went down. Flynn got a text from Kislyak to call him. Flynn called someone in a senior position in the Trump campaign for advice about what to say about sanctions. He got orders from them. He then called Kislyak and told them what he was told to say. Immediately after hanging up with Kislyak, Flynn called the senior Trump admin official to tell them the job was done. Kislyak called Flynn a few days later to tell him the Russians took into consideration what he told them and acted accordingly. Flynn passed this along to the Trump campaign.
You want me to believe that Flynn FORGOT all this happened a few weeks later? Give me a break.
4. Stone lied to protect Trump because Stone talked to Trump about his contacts which Trump had publicly denied.

Do you see a pattern? People close to Trump lie on his behalf in an effort not to contradict Trump's lies. This is how Trump eats people's souls.

1. "“Mr. Trump did not directly tell me to lie to Congress." Trump Tower Moscow, and Michael Cohen’s lies about it, explained
2. Popadopulous was setup, just ask him Papadopoulos argues he may have been 'entrapped'
3. As the DNI Flynn's job was to talk to Russians and other countries, this was not a campaign "perjury" but after moving into the WH. The FBI recorded the conversation and if Flynn got one word wrong its a crime. That is by definition a "perjury trap": How come Hillary can say "I don't recall" 39x and its fine?
4. Stone is a moron who got what he deserved if he lied under oath. No one cares if Trump had someone contact wikileaks and see if what they had. Especially after Hillary actually paid Russians for "dirt" on Trump. The Steel Dossier is "foreign interference in a US election" how come that gets a pass and wasn't investigated by Mueller as "Russian Collusion"?

1. Nice link. It doesn't say what you claimed.
2. Papadopolous already admitted to lying and why he did it. Entrapment? That's absurd. No one attempted to compel the coffee boy to lie about his contacts.
3. Flynn wasn't the DNI when he called Kislyak. He lied about it after he became DNI. Flynn didn't "just get one word wrong". He decided to omit an entire process he undertook. Stop trying to minimize what he did. That is not "by definition" a perjury trap. A perjury trap is totally different. If you ask someone a very specific detail a year later and they say something wrong, it's hard to prove it was intentional. If Flynn just happened to remember half a dozen phone calls, coordination and planning that went into a policy objective just 3 weeks later, then it looks a hell of a lot more intentional. And Flynn didn't say "I don't remember". He said it didn't come up.
4. Stone lied to protect Trump. They're both morons.

1. Cohen actually said that quote, and then tried to say Trump told him what to do in "tongues". Yeah, ok, like I believe Cohen.
2. I gave you the link where Popadope said he was setup. Prove he wasn't.
3. Here is the link on Flynn's lies, in the pdf indictment: Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000 smells like a perjury trap to me. Mueller wanted to squeeze a few Trump guys, and Flynn stepped in it, nice reward for a military career, huh?
4. Agreed, Trump had no clue WTF he was up against.