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the Left has been throwing money at schools for decades. Money is not the problem. the problem os the parents and the people themselves
I agree! We have a high school that is just now being remodeled, it has alittle work over the year but no a major overhaul, it was build I think around 1900. The schools that are in the better neighborhood build in the 50's or later were of course the first ones to get anything new. I remember when I was in high school we got a new practice and wrestling gym when we had the shittiest wrestling team in the league. If you have seen Vision Quest the that is the high school I am talking about being built in the 1900's.the Left has been throwing money at schools for decades. Money is not the problem. the problem os the parents and the people themselves
Maybe money is the problem or at least part of the problem? More money is not always the solution. How (and in this case where) it is spent is the question.
And yes, the left has been throwing money at schools for decades... but the question would be what schools and how is that money used. If my high school, which was an upper middle class high school got a significantly higher portion of the funds than the school across the railroad tracks, then the funds were not equally or equitably distributed. You know, my school really needed that Gym as the old one was 15 years old. Too bad the school across the tracks still have 25 year old textbooks.
Immie
I think you make a valid point, but the reality is SOME people do lose opportunity due to AA, and it ISN'T their choice. The OP is just trying to see if libs will assume the liability they oppose on others. And I think that is the point... it's hypocrisy to impose this on others if you aren't willing to take it on yourself.
It's not a valid question.
Affirmative Action does not state that they have to hire a minority over a majority if the minority is not qualified for the job. If they are equally qualified, then the minority could be picked because of the minority status.
More right wing bullshit.
But just for the record, we have been hiring whites for over a hundred years over qualified minorities just because they are white.
Go figger.
Question: Would any of the affirmative action supporters on this board ever quit their job so a minority or someone not as qualified could have it?
I think you make a valid point, but the reality is SOME people do lose opportunity due to AA, and it ISN'T their choice. The OP is just trying to see if libs will assume the liability they oppose on others. And I think that is the point... it's hypocrisy to impose this on others if you aren't willing to take it on yourself.
Consider though if we acknowledge that discrimination went on for say 150 years, what scale or process do we use now to pick the best candidate? The black person being discriminating against in the past also had no choice. But discrimination in the AA world was for hiring and acceptance, asking the question now is a bit disingenuous. Presenting the option prior to hire/acceptance is a different question.
Money matters as I know teachers in Philly public schools who can tell you how bad the situation is when you don't even have the books for the class and no one really cares. And what is it with this BS 'the left is throwing money' statement??? we all should be 'throwing money' to use this silly biased phrase, at things that matter to this country.
OT Regarding discrimination, there is an excellent book / Movie, "Focus," the movie is actually as good as the book in this case, which gives an interesting picture of discrimination, actually profound example. See it.
Focus (2001/I)
I still don't like little people who smell of cabbage...
Originally Posted by KMAN
Question: Would any of the affirmative action supporters on this board ever quit their job so a minority or someone not as qualified could have it?
Can't answer the question can you.... typical lib.
Stupid question...typical right wing pea brain
Answer the question.
It is quite valid to those supporting affirmative action.
One's job is Maslovian. I chose food and shelter for me and mine before anything else. Primary survival trumps. People have eaten eachother to survive.
Anytime a liberal doesn't like the question it's a stupid question.... Yet, they always feel a need to type a smartass answer...
Of course they don't want to answer. An honest answer would make them look bad.
You could do the same thing with pro-life supporters... How many unwanted, crack addicted babies will you take in? No make what then number they say (and honestly most would say 0) there are always more babies than families so it makes them look bad.
The answer to the question is obvious, and we all know what it is.... NO.... the liberals would NOT quit their job so a less qualified minority could take it. They can't say that though because then that would blow their argument in support of AA. The question is valid, but it is also a ringer.
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I think we should do more about giving minorities a better education at primary level so they can get into college on their own merits and than a job the same way.
Are you saying that sending them to the same schools an holding them to the same standards as everyone else isn't working? It sounds like you're implying they're too stupid to learn like the other kids and need special treatment. You're trying to sound like you care, but you just sound like some compassionate and empathetic slave driver going on about the White Man's Burden
They can learn along with everyone else-hell they even have 'magnent' schools that use racist quotas to ensure there's a good mixIt kind of goes with the saying " Give a fish, feed them for a day! Teach them how to fish, feed them for a life time."
the Left has been throwing money at schools for decades. Money is not the problem. the problem os the parents and the people themselves
How about No Child left behind? What a joke?.
Just like head start. By the time a child passes the 3rd grade, there are no differences between those who went to head start and those who did not- even when the two children, when one went to head start and the other didn't are of the same age, sex, race, social caste, and 'intellect'
head start and nclb achieve nothing except paying for socialized daycare and making people feel good
the Left has been throwing money at schools for decades. Money is not the problem. the problem os the parents and the people themselves
Maybe money is the problem or at least part of the problem? More money is not always the solution. How (and in this case where) it is spent is the question.
And yes, the left has been throwing money at schools for decades... but the question would be what schools and how is that money used. If my high school, which was an upper middle class high school got a significantly higher portion of the funds than the school across the railroad tracks, then the funds were not equally or equitably distributed. You know, my school really needed that Gym as the old one was 15 years old. Too bad the school across the tracks still have 25 year old textbooks.
Immie
I think you make a valid point, but the reality is SOME people do lose opportunity due to AA, and it ISN'T their choice. The OP is just trying to see if libs will assume the liability they oppose on others. And I think that is the point... it's hypocrisy to impose this on others if you aren't willing to take it on yourself.
Consider though if we acknowledge that discrimination went on for say 150 years, what scale or process do we use now to pick the best candidate? The black person being discriminating against in the past also had no choice. But discrimination in the AA world was for hiring and acceptance, asking the question now is a bit disingenuous. Presenting the option prior to hire/acceptance is a different question.
Money matters as I know teachers in Philly public schools who can tell you how bad the situation is when you don't even have the books for the class and no one really cares. And what is it with this BS 'the left is throwing money' statement??? we all should be 'throwing money' to use this silly biased phrase, at things that matter to this country.
OT Regarding discrimination, there is an excellent book / Movie, "Focus," the movie is actually as good as the book in this case, which gives an interesting picture of discrimination, actually profound example. See it.
Focus (2001/I)
I think the problem with things like AA and reparations is that I'm being asked to pay for the sins of my great great great grandfather. The people affected aren't even with us anymore. I'm from poor, where's my help? It doesn't exist because I'm white. And you know what? I wouldn't want it even if I could get it, because it would be insulting. I know some people will take any handout but I don't think people should be so weak as to accept help if it isn't absolutely critical to survival.
My fav movie about race is "Crash". I think we all have some bias in us and the movie helps to show that even good people can have a bias. I know I have mine.
The answer to the question is obvious, and we all know what it is.... NO.... the liberals would NOT quit their job so a less qualified minority could take it. They can't say that though because then that would blow their argument in support of AA. The question is valid, but it is also a ringer.
Well since you're so sure the answer which would inclusively be given by liberals, why not answer the question yourself? And how about KMAN?
The topic is a red herring posted to inflame, not debate affirmative action. What you guys are attempting to do is attack by your misconception that "liberals" say one thing and do another. Good luck with that one, too.