According To Whistleblower Regulations Without Firsthand Knowledge Secondhand Claims Aren't Credible

[mudwhistle]

Apparently secondhand knowledge of an offense doesn't fall under Whistleblower protections because it's not considered legit unless it's something the complainer heard himself.

So why is this person even considered a whistleblower in the first place?

Here's form with the specific language highlighted:

 

[Oddball]

You really think the cranks GAF about the laws, rules, and regulations?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Apparently secondhand knowledge of an offense doesn't fall under Whistleblower protections because it's not considered legit unless it's something the complainer heard himself.

So why is this person even considered a whistleblower in the first place?

Here's form with the specific language highlighted:

Sorry, bureaucrats don't get to change the regulations by changing a form.

 

[Lewdog]

The IG reviewed it and investigated the sources that corroborated the whistleblower's story.

Welcome to the new low in politics... of course we've never had a more corrupt person in the White House than right now.

 

[elongobardi]

The IG reviewed it and investigated the sources that corroborated the whistleblower's story.

Welcome to the new low in politics... of course we've never had a more corrupt person in the White House than right now.

You mean since Clinton, Obama and Biden.


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[mudwhistle]

Here's another take on this issue:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/09/the_800pound_gorilla_in_the_impeachment_room.html

September 28, 2019
The 800-pound gorilla in the impeachment room
By Tim Jones
The timing of the whole fake impeachment scandal that's been manufactured once again by Deep State actors is incredibly suspect. As soon as the Russia Collusion Hoax was put to bed, this whistleblower complaint comes, alleging that President Trump initiated a quid pro quo on the Ukrainian president using mob-like tactics in order to take down a possible presidential rival in Joe Biden for the upcoming 2020 campaign.

One only needs to read the story in The Federalist by Sean Davis, "Intel Community Secretly Gutted Requirement of First-Hand Whistleblower Knowledge," to see that the whistleblower complaint was purposely concocted by certain Deep State actors since it became public shortly after the disclosure form had been changed from a person needing to have direct knowledge of wrongdoing to include only hearing about wrongdoing from another person or persons.

The internal properties of the newly revised "Disclosure of Urgent Concern" form, which the intelligence community inspector general (ICIG) requires to be submitted under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA), show that the document was uploaded on September 24, 2019, at 4:25 p.m., just days before the anti-Trump complaint was declassified and released to the public. The markings on the document state that it was revised in August 2019, but no specific date of revision is disclosed.

The complaint alleges that President Donald Trump broke the law during a phone call with the Ukrainian president. In his complaint, which was dated August 12, 2019, the complainant acknowledged he was "not a direct witness" to the wrongdoing he claims Trump committed.

A previous version of the whistleblower complaint document, which the ICIG and DNI until recently provided to potential whistleblowers, declared that any complaint must contain only first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoing and that complaints that provide only hearsay, rumor, or gossip would be rejected.

The Inspector General's report will be coming out sometime this fall on the FISA abuses that took place during the Obama administration, which essentially weaponized the Department of Justice and FBI by foisting a fake dossier on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) in order to spy on the Trump campaign. What the impeachment process now initiated by the Democrats does is to pre-empt the findings of that report by creating a distraction and misdirection of epic proportions.

The Democrats know that the report will be devastating to them in general, and to some in the Obama administration in particular. They also know that their position is extremely weak going into the presidential cycle next year with so many Trump successes under his belt, especially on the economy, which historically is the number-one reason why the electorate will choose to retain or reject an incumbent for a second term.

On top of that, you have a stable of candidates on the Democrat side that looks extremely weak, and all have moved far to the left from where they've been in the past. If history is any guide, such as the 1972 match-up between incumbent Richard Nixon and George McGovern, where Nixon won in a landslide, the 2020 election looked as though it will be a repeat of 1972. (The similarities to the 1972 contest begin when you consider that the Watergate break-in came to the public's attention earlier in the year before the election but didn't actually make an impact until after the election, when the event became a full-blown scandal that ended Nixon's presidency.)

Democrats think they are being extremely clever in impeaching Trump because it will dominate the headlines from now until the election and essentially push any FISA abuse revelations by the Inspector General's report to the back pages of the news media, where a large part of the electorate either won't see it or, if they do, will think it's a politically motivated reaction and retaliation for impeachment. A draft of the I.G. report has already been submitted to both the Department of Justice and the FBI for review


Although the Democrats have created what they think is a shrewd campaign of mass distraction by impeaching Trump, over the long run, it is going to damage them much more severely than it will the Republicans.​

 

[Maxdeath]

The IG reviewed it and investigated the sources that corroborated the whistleblower's story.

Welcome to the new low in politics... of course we've never had a more corrupt person in the White House than right now.

You must have been asleep for the eight years before this.

 

[mudwhistle]

The IG reviewed it and investigated the sources that corroborated the whistleblower's story.

Welcome to the new low in politics... of course we've never had a more corrupt person in the White House than right now.

The IG did no such thing. They said it appears credible....but the original finding was that it wasn't worth notifying the House Intel committee.
I think members of the House already knew about it before hand because they set the whole thing up in the first place.

 

[the other mike]

The boomerang is almost ready to come zooming back.

 

[mudwhistle]

 

[Crepitus]

Apparently secondhand knowledge of an offense doesn't fall under Whistleblower protections because it's not considered legit unless it's something the complainer heard himself.

So why is this person even considered a whistleblower in the first place?

Here's form with the specific language highlighted:

That isn't true. I posted links to the docs in another thread with the same bogus title.

 

[mudwhistle]

Apparently secondhand knowledge of an offense doesn't fall under Whistleblower protections because it's not considered legit unless it's something the complainer heard himself.

So why is this person even considered a whistleblower in the first place?

Here's form with the specific language highlighted:

That isn't true. I posted links to the docs in another thread with the same bogus title.

Of course it's true, Spermbreath.
The Intel Community essentially changed the Whistleblower requirements from Firsthand Knowledge....to essentially RUMORS AND GOSSIP!!! Intel Community Secretly Nixed Whistleblower Demand Of First-Hand Info

"Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings. This raises questions about the intelligence community’s behavior regarding the August submission of a whistleblower complaint against President Donald Trump. The new complaint document no longer requires potential whistleblowers who wish to have their concerns expedited to Congress to have direct, first-hand knowledge of the alleged wrongdoing that they are reporting.

The brand new version of the whistleblower complaint form, which was not made public until after the transcript of Trump’s July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and the complaint addressed to Congress were made public, eliminates the first-hand knowledge requirement and allows employees to file whistleblower complaints even if they have zero direct knowledge of underlying evidence and only “heard about [wrongdoing] from others.”"​

 

[Crepitus]

Apparently secondhand knowledge of an offense doesn't fall under Whistleblower protections because it's not considered legit unless it's something the complainer heard himself.

So why is this person even considered a whistleblower in the first place?

Here's form with the specific language highlighted:

That isn't true. I posted links to the docs in another thread with the same bogus title.

Of course it's true, Spermbreath.
The Intel Community essentially changed the Whistleblower requirements from Firsthand Knowledge....to essentially RUMORS AND GOSSIP!!! Intel Community Secretly Nixed Whistleblower Demand Of First-Hand Info

"Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings. This raises questions about the intelligence community’s behavior regarding the August submission of a whistleblower complaint against President Donald Trump. The new complaint document no longer requires potential whistleblowers who wish to have their concerns expedited to Congress to have direct, first-hand knowledge of the alleged wrongdoing that they are reporting.

The brand new version of the whistleblower complaint form, which was not made public until after the transcript of Trump’s July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and the complaint addressed to Congress were made public, eliminates the first-hand knowledge requirement and allows employees to file whistleblower complaints even if they have zero direct knowledge of underlying evidence and only “heard about [wrongdoing] from others.”"​

You are a liar. Knowingly quoting lies. Known lies.

Fuckin' dumbass.

 

[mudwhistle]

Apparently secondhand knowledge of an offense doesn't fall under Whistleblower protections because it's not considered legit unless it's something the complainer heard himself.

So why is this person even considered a whistleblower in the first place?

Here's form with the specific language highlighted:

That isn't true. I posted links to the docs in another thread with the same bogus title.

Of course it's true, Spermbreath.
The Intel Community essentially changed the Whistleblower requirements from Firsthand Knowledge....to essentially RUMORS AND GOSSIP!!! Intel Community Secretly Nixed Whistleblower Demand Of First-Hand Info

"Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings. This raises questions about the intelligence community’s behavior regarding the August submission of a whistleblower complaint against President Donald Trump. The new complaint document no longer requires potential whistleblowers who wish to have their concerns expedited to Congress to have direct, first-hand knowledge of the alleged wrongdoing that they are reporting.

The brand new version of the whistleblower complaint form, which was not made public until after the transcript of Trump’s July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and the complaint addressed to Congress were made public, eliminates the first-hand knowledge requirement and allows employees to file whistleblower complaints even if they have zero direct knowledge of underlying evidence and only “heard about [wrongdoing] from others.”"​

You are a liar. Knowingly quoting lies. Known lies.

Fuckin' dumbass.

Sorry, but this has been verified.
So no matter how much you whine and cry....it's not gonna change the facts of the situation.

 

[Crepitus]

Apparently secondhand knowledge of an offense doesn't fall under Whistleblower protections because it's not considered legit unless it's something the complainer heard himself.

So why is this person even considered a whistleblower in the first place?

Here's form with the specific language highlighted:

That isn't true. I posted links to the docs in another thread with the same bogus title.

Of course it's true, Spermbreath.
The Intel Community essentially changed the Whistleblower requirements from Firsthand Knowledge....to essentially RUMORS AND GOSSIP!!! Intel Community Secretly Nixed Whistleblower Demand Of First-Hand Info

"Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings. This raises questions about the intelligence community’s behavior regarding the August submission of a whistleblower complaint against President Donald Trump. The new complaint document no longer requires potential whistleblowers who wish to have their concerns expedited to Congress to have direct, first-hand knowledge of the alleged wrongdoing that they are reporting.

The brand new version of the whistleblower complaint form, which was not made public until after the transcript of Trump’s July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and the complaint addressed to Congress were made public, eliminates the first-hand knowledge requirement and allows employees to file whistleblower complaints even if they have zero direct knowledge of underlying evidence and only “heard about [wrongdoing] from others.”"​

You are a liar. Knowingly quoting lies. Known lies.

Fuckin' dumbass.

Sorry, but this has been verified.
So no matter how much you whine and cry....it's not gonna change the facts of the situation.

Nope. It's fake news.

 

[mudwhistle]

Apparently secondhand knowledge of an offense doesn't fall under Whistleblower protections because it's not considered legit unless it's something the complainer heard himself.

So why is this person even considered a whistleblower in the first place?

Here's form with the specific language highlighted:

That isn't true. I posted links to the docs in another thread with the same bogus title.

Of course it's true, Spermbreath.
The Intel Community essentially changed the Whistleblower requirements from Firsthand Knowledge....to essentially RUMORS AND GOSSIP!!! Intel Community Secretly Nixed Whistleblower Demand Of First-Hand Info

"Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings. This raises questions about the intelligence community’s behavior regarding the August submission of a whistleblower complaint against President Donald Trump. The new complaint document no longer requires potential whistleblowers who wish to have their concerns expedited to Congress to have direct, first-hand knowledge of the alleged wrongdoing that they are reporting.

The brand new version of the whistleblower complaint form, which was not made public until after the transcript of Trump’s July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and the complaint addressed to Congress were made public, eliminates the first-hand knowledge requirement and allows employees to file whistleblower complaints even if they have zero direct knowledge of underlying evidence and only “heard about [wrongdoing] from others.”"​

You are a liar. Knowingly quoting lies. Known lies.

Fuckin' dumbass.

Sorry, but this has been verified.
So no matter how much you whine and cry....it's not gonna change the facts of the situation.

Nope. It's fake news.

Not when it's from multiple sources.
Seriously, do you think that in a normal situation some Dickhead working at CNN could file a complaint against our President unless the intel people were bending rules without proper authorization from Congress?

 

[Butch_Coolidge]

The IG reviewed it and investigated the sources that corroborated the whistleblower's story.

Welcome to the new low in politics... of course we've never had a more corrupt person in the White House than right now.

Yeah. We saw the Adam Schiff interpretation of events. This [emoji90]will just continue for the next 5 years. Maybe the wall can be completed by then.


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[Butch_Coolidge]

Apparently secondhand knowledge of an offense doesn't fall under Whistleblower protections because it's not considered legit unless it's something the complainer heard himself.

So why is this person even considered a whistleblower in the first place?

Here's form with the specific language highlighted:

That isn't true. I posted links to the docs in another thread with the same bogus title.

Of course it's true, Spermbreath.
The Intel Community essentially changed the Whistleblower requirements from Firsthand Knowledge....to essentially RUMORS AND GOSSIP!!! Intel Community Secretly Nixed Whistleblower Demand Of First-Hand Info

"Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings. This raises questions about the intelligence community’s behavior regarding the August submission of a whistleblower complaint against President Donald Trump. The new complaint document no longer requires potential whistleblowers who wish to have their concerns expedited to Congress to have direct, first-hand knowledge of the alleged wrongdoing that they are reporting.

The brand new version of the whistleblower complaint form, which was not made public until after the transcript of Trump’s July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and the complaint addressed to Congress were made public, eliminates the first-hand knowledge requirement and allows employees to file whistleblower complaints even if they have zero direct knowledge of underlying evidence and only “heard about [wrongdoing] from others.”"​

You are a liar. Knowingly quoting lies. Known lies.

Fuckin' dumbass.

Sorry, but this has been verified.
So no matter how much you whine and cry....it's not gonna change the facts of the situation.

Nope. It's fake news.

Worthwhile dim candidates for 2020, that’s fake news.


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[Leo123]

Sounds like they suddenly changed the whistleblower rule after Trump's call in order to falsely claim he was doing a quid-pro-quo.

 

[Crepitus]

That isn't true. I posted links to the docs in another thread with the same bogus title.

Of course it's true, Spermbreath.
The Intel Community essentially changed the Whistleblower requirements from Firsthand Knowledge....to essentially RUMORS AND GOSSIP!!! Intel Community Secretly Nixed Whistleblower Demand Of First-Hand Info

"Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings. This raises questions about the intelligence community’s behavior regarding the August submission of a whistleblower complaint against President Donald Trump. The new complaint document no longer requires potential whistleblowers who wish to have their concerns expedited to Congress to have direct, first-hand knowledge of the alleged wrongdoing that they are reporting.

The brand new version of the whistleblower complaint form, which was not made public until after the transcript of Trump’s July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and the complaint addressed to Congress were made public, eliminates the first-hand knowledge requirement and allows employees to file whistleblower complaints even if they have zero direct knowledge of underlying evidence and only “heard about [wrongdoing] from others.”"​

You are a liar. Knowingly quoting lies. Known lies.

Fuckin' dumbass.

Sorry, but this has been verified.
So no matter how much you whine and cry....it's not gonna change the facts of the situation.

Nope. It's fake news.

Not when it's from multiple sources.
Seriously, do you think that in a normal situation some Dickhead working at CNN could file a complaint against our President unless the intel people were bending rules without proper authorization from Congress?

"Working at CNN"?

Damn dude, you will believe anything.