Accomplishments of Liberalism

[manifold]

The reality is that if the FF were actually plopped down onto today's political landscape, individually they'd have a tough time finding a home and they'd most likely end up being split 50/50 between the dems and reps. Just like they were split amongst themselves at the time. Some wanted a big central govt (Federalists like that douchebag Hamilton). Some were strong proponents of state sovereignty (Jefferson). Some wanted a strong military. Some wanted no standing army at all. There was so much disagreement among the FF that it's truly amazing that they finally worked it out.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Liberalism is to Socialism as Conservatism is to Fascism.

Show this to be true.
Then explain how it negates what I said.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The reality is that if the FF were actually plopped down onto today's political landscape, individually they'd have a tough time finding a home and they'd most likely end up being split 50/50 between the dems and reps.

Doubtful, as the GOP is moderate-left party.
The FFs, as a whole, were not moderate-left, by today's standards.
If anything, they would be Libertarians and then perhaps Republicans.

 

[manifold]

Doubtful, as the GOP is moderate-left party.
The FFs, as a whole, were not moderate-left, by today's standards.
If anything, they would be Libertarians and then perhaps Republicans.

In the short time that I've been here you've demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that you don't know fuck all about pretty much anything. But by all means carry on, between you, Artardbaba and frazzledazzle I'm constantly kept in stitches.

 

[AllieBaba]

Federalists advocate the principle of greater regional autonomy within the United States—usually by allowing individual states to set their own agendas and determine the handling of issues, rather than trying to impose a nationally uniform solution. Usually federalism is proposed as a solution to issues that may have strong support in some parts of the country and strong opposition in other parts, for example: restrictions on abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia, medicinal use of cannabis, gun rights and restrictions on property rights.

 

[M14 Shooter]

In the short time that I've been here you've demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that you don't know fuck all about pretty much anything.

As the desert said to the grain of sand.

But, hey - please dont let me keep you from your delusions of mediocrity.

 

[AllieBaba]

I've yet to agree with you about anything concerning politics. Your ignorance and closed-mindedness make discussing anything seriously a complete waste of time. So I just settle for pouring scorn and ridicule on your incessent nonsense.

Which still is avoiding the assertion that the democratic party has proven over and over to be a racist party that believes in restricting the freedoms of individuals.

I don't expect you to respond to the uncomfortable truth. I expect you to do exactly what you're doing. Sneer, lisp and sit there thinking you don't have to explain yourself, because you're "better" than any of the little people.

 

[manifold]

Federalists advocate the principle of greater regional autonomy within the United States

Change the word "greater" to "minimal" and your statement goes from being 100% false to 100% true.

Wow, but you're really friggin ignorant. No offense.

 

[mattskramer]

Show this to be true.
Then explain how it negates what I said.

You first. Show that all degrees of liberalism equal Socialism. Is each person who advocates a little liberal policy, a devout Socialist? Of course not. It is just more of your absolutist rhetoric.

 

[AllieBaba]

Change the word "greater" to "minimal" and your statement goes from being 100% false to 100% true.

Wow, but you're really friggin ignorant. No offense.

None taken.

I was referring, of course, to the "contemporary" definition of federalist. Since we get to bounce back and forth at will.

 

[mattskramer]

Show this to be true.
Then explain how it negates what I said.

It reminds me of Michael Alan Weiner Savage’s book “Liberalism is a Mental Disorder”. Silly. Liberalism is not like an on-off light switch. Not all liberals have mental disorders. Gee. America has some liberal policies. I suppose that America is a sick slave state. Moderation and relativism is the key.

 

[manifold]

None taken.

I was referring, of course, to the "contemporary" definition of federalist. Since we get to bounce back and forth at will.

Still completely wrong, but nice try.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Change the word "greater" to "minimal" and your statement goes from being 100% false to 100% true.
Wow, but you're really friggin ignorant. No offense.

Let me know when you graduate middle school and can act like an adult.

 

[AllieBaba]

Federalism is not about "bigger government" the way liberalism is about "bigger government".

Federalism was about looking at a brand new government, and determining that it needed some tweaking. That tweaking was the Constitution.

Federalism was not about having the federal government involved in every aspect of our lives. It was about giving the federal government enough power to operate effectively and cohesively.

 

[manifold]

Main Entry: fed·er·al·ist
Pronunciation: \-list\
Function: noun
Date: 1774
1: an advocate of federalism: an advocate of a federal union between the American colonies after the Revolution and of the adoption of the United States Constitution

2capitalized : a member of a major political party in the early years of the United States favoring a strong centralized national government

 

[M14 Shooter]

You first. Show that all degrees of liberalism equal Socialism.

I dont need to do that in order for my equation to be true.
I only need to show that the basic tenets of liberalism and socialism are more or less the same.

But then, you knew that, and since you know that my statemmen to be true, you tried to saddle me with a test you knew to be impossible.

Nice try, pally.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Federalism is not about "bigger government" the way liberalism is about "bigger government".

Federalism was about looking at a brand new government, and determining that it needed some tweaking. That tweaking was the Constitution.

Federalism was not about having the federal government involved in every aspect of our lives. It was about giving the federal government enough power to operate effectively and cohesively.

Anyone that pased their 8th grade American History class knows this -- thus explaining Manifold's failure to understand.

 

[manifold]

Anyone that pased their 8th grade American History class knows this -- thus explaining Manifold's failure to understand.

See posted definition of federalist. Ya friggin moron!

I await your grovelling apology, with baited breath.

 

[midcan5]

Alli,

Your list is interesting and the few positive items are probably arguable but I will credit you with noting TAXES, as that is all I could easily agree with is a conservative accomplishment - if we can call it that. Conservatives by nature oppose change and Lincoln was a liberal since conservatives even then argued against emancipation. Yes democrats were in the South but that doesn't make them liberal. Party affiliation does not always determine politcal position.

Anyone have any more that are clearly conservative?

Here's help but don't look yet. I haven't gone through the list but the bit I looked at was more BS than accomps.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1549764/posts

 

[AllieBaba]

Main Entry: fed·er·al·ist
Pronunciation: \-list\
Function: noun
Date: 1774
1: an advocate of federalism: an advocate of a federal union between the American colonies after the Revolution and of the adoption of the United States Constitution

2capitalized : a member of a major political party in the early years of the United States favoring a strong centralized national government

Yes, they wanted a government strong enough to survive. With the development of the Constitution that was achieved.

Our government is strong enough now, thanks. The Federalist papers aren't the green light for eternal and nonsensical government growth, to the point where individuals lose their autonomy.

Besides which, there were those who opposed the concept. Patrick Henry, for one. Was he a liberal?