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[Intense]

My mistake. Next time you start a thread just be clear that no opposing views are welcome and I won't waste my time.

See ya.

It's not about your opposing views, it is about your lack of comprehension and your form.

Bullshit. You only want people posting here who agree with your prejudicial views toward the Islamic religion.

Your Premise is wrong. You are wrong. You are confused.

 

[High_Gravity]

I didn't know that. It makes sense though. Islam is theistic and so are Judaism and Christianity.

What I am aware of is the many ancient and priceless Buddha statues that have been destroyed by Muslims.

It doesn't surprise me that Islam doesn't consider Buddhism legitimate. There are plenty of Christians that don't consider Buddhism legitimate either.

The difference is a Christian won't kill you for being a Buddhist or desecrate your statues. You are a Buddhist and live in America right? I guarantee you that you won't get the same respect in Saudi Arabia, Iran or Pakistan.

I'm well of that. The Tibetan Buddhists think there is so much conflict in the Middle East in part because the Muslims destroyed the Buddha statues which were placed there to protect peace in the area.

Since I haven't traveled in awhile, I'm more aware of the disrespect in the US. You're right. I don't consider the situation in America in the same way as it is in the Middle East. They are not reknown for tolerance.

I was in the Military for 7 years and I have been all through the Middle East, I have been to Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE etc. I took advantage of my chances to speak with local Muslims when I could and hear their views on things, I met some very nice people there I still remember until this day. One of my most distinct memories is when I was just outside of the base in Saudi waiting to escort some contractors on base, it was past lunch time and it was very hot outside and I was starving and thirsty, some of the Syrian contractors invited me to share lunch with them, it was a delicious meal of rotissirie chicken with rice and hummus, I got to eat with them and hear many of their views on things. Alot of ordinary Muslims really have no problems with Americans, they just want to live life and take care of their families, however, radical idiots like Bin Laden and Zawahiri have money and alot of popular support as well, and they drown out the voices of regular every day people who would get beheaded if they spoke out, like what happens in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Sky Dancer]

The difference is a Christian won't kill you for being a Buddhist or desecrate your statues. You are a Buddhist and live in America right? I guarantee you that you won't get the same respect in Saudi Arabia, Iran or Pakistan.

I'm well of that. The Tibetan Buddhists think there is so much conflict in the Middle East in part because the Muslims destroyed the Buddha statues which were placed there to protect peace in the area.

Since I haven't traveled in awhile, I'm more aware of the disrespect in the US. You're right. I don't consider the situation in America in the same way as it is in the Middle East. They are not reknown for tolerance.

I was in the Military for 7 years and I have been all through the Middle East, I have been to Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE etc. I took advantage of my chances to speak with local Muslims when I could and hear their views on things, I met some very nice people there I still remember until this day. One of my most distinct memories is when I was just outside of the base in Saudi waiting to escort some contractors on base, it was past lunch time and it was very hot outside and I was starving and thirsty, some of the Syrian contractors invited me to share lunch with them, it was a delicious meal of rotissirie chicken with rice and hummus, I got to eat with them and hear many of their views on things. Alot of ordinary Muslims really have no problems with Americans, they just want to live life and take care of their families, however, radical idiots like Bin Laden and Zawahiri have money and alot of popular support as well, and they drown out the voices of regular every day people who would get beheaded if they spoke out, like what happens in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I wish every American had the opportunity you did to learn about ordinary Muslims, see what great people they are and how they struggle with oppressive governments.

 

[High_Gravity]

I'm well of that. The Tibetan Buddhists think there is so much conflict in the Middle East in part because the Muslims destroyed the Buddha statues which were placed there to protect peace in the area.

Since I haven't traveled in awhile, I'm more aware of the disrespect in the US. You're right. I don't consider the situation in America in the same way as it is in the Middle East. They are not reknown for tolerance.

I was in the Military for 7 years and I have been all through the Middle East, I have been to Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE etc. I took advantage of my chances to speak with local Muslims when I could and hear their views on things, I met some very nice people there I still remember until this day. One of my most distinct memories is when I was just outside of the base in Saudi waiting to escort some contractors on base, it was past lunch time and it was very hot outside and I was starving and thirsty, some of the Syrian contractors invited me to share lunch with them, it was a delicious meal of rotissirie chicken with rice and hummus, I got to eat with them and hear many of their views on things. Alot of ordinary Muslims really have no problems with Americans, they just want to live life and take care of their families, however, radical idiots like Bin Laden and Zawahiri have money and alot of popular support as well, and they drown out the voices of regular every day people who would get beheaded if they spoke out, like what happens in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I wish every American had the opportunity you did to learn about ordinary Muslims and how oppressive their governments are.

What I have learned is that Arabs who hate Americans the most have either never met one or had a really bad experience with one, same with Americans.

 

[Sky Dancer]

It's not about your opposing views, it is about your lack of comprehension and your form.

Bullshit. You only want people posting here who agree with your prejudicial views toward the Islamic religion.

Your Premise is wrong. You are wrong. You are confused.

Really? How many times have you suggested I leave this thread? I keep waiting for one post you write to me that doesn't include an insult.

Are you capable of writing one?

 

[Sky Dancer]

I was in the Military for 7 years and I have been all through the Middle East, I have been to Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE etc. I took advantage of my chances to speak with local Muslims when I could and hear their views on things, I met some very nice people there I still remember until this day. One of my most distinct memories is when I was just outside of the base in Saudi waiting to escort some contractors on base, it was past lunch time and it was very hot outside and I was starving and thirsty, some of the Syrian contractors invited me to share lunch with them, it was a delicious meal of rotissirie chicken with rice and hummus, I got to eat with them and hear many of their views on things. Alot of ordinary Muslims really have no problems with Americans, they just want to live life and take care of their families, however, radical idiots like Bin Laden and Zawahiri have money and alot of popular support as well, and they drown out the voices of regular every day people who would get beheaded if they spoke out, like what happens in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I wish every American had the opportunity you did to learn about ordinary Muslims and how oppressive their governments are.

What I have learned is that Arabs who hate Americans the most have either never met one or had a really bad experience with one, same with Arabs.

And Americans who hate Muslims the most have never met any or had one bad experience with one.

I'll bet Intense and Ropey have never met any Muslims.

 

[Intense]

Islam does not promote totalitarian rule. Dictators use religion to control the people. They exploit sectarian differences to divide the people.

Human rights cannot happen with totalitarian rule. The religion of Islam is varied. It is NOT the problem you think it is.

THEOCRACY IS.

Islam's current Goal is an Islamic World under the Rule of Sharia Law. That is Fact. It is also Theocracy and Totalitarian in Nature. Hence the need for Reform in Islam. Hence, the sole purpose of this Thread.

 

[High_Gravity]

I wish every American had the opportunity you did to learn about ordinary Muslims and how oppressive their governments are.

What I have learned is that Arabs who hate Americans the most have either never met one or had a really bad experience with one, same with Arabs.

And Americans who hate Muslims the most have never met any or had one bad experience with one.

I'll bet Intense and Ropey have never met any Muslims.

Well I don't know about intense but Ropey has fought wars against Muslims, so I think he has met them. I don't believe Ropey actually hates Muslims though.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Islam does not promote totalitarian rule. Dictators use religion to control the people. They exploit sectarian differences to divide the people.

Human rights cannot happen with totalitarian rule. The religion of Islam is varied. It is NOT the problem you think it is.

THEOCRACY IS.

Islam's current Goal is an Islamic World under the Rule of Sharia Law. That is Fact. It is also Theocracy and Totalitarian in Nature. Hence the need for Reform in Islam. Hence, the sole purpose of this Thread.

The sole purpose of this thread is anti-islamic propaganda, which I oppose. You don't seem to know the difference between Islam as it expressed in Islamic Middle Eastern theocracies and Islam as it practiced in non-totalitarian or theocratic regimes.

You are paranoid. Sharia Law will never be the rule of law in America.

It's the same with Christianity. There is a tiny minority of Dominionists who seek world Christian domination. They cite the Bible as justification.

There is a minority of crazy Muslim terrorists who want to blow us up. The religion of Islam is not to blame.

 

[Sky Dancer]

What I have learned is that Arabs who hate Americans the most have either never met one or had a really bad experience with one, same with Arabs.

And Americans who hate Muslims the most have never met any or had one bad experience with one.

I'll bet Intense and Ropey have never met any Muslims.

Well I don't know about intense but Ropey has fought wars against Muslims, so I think he has met them. I don't believe Ropey actually hates Muslims though.

I don't think Ropey hates Muslims either. Since he's fought against them, I wonder if he still sees them as enemies.

 

[High_Gravity]

And Americans who hate Muslims the most have never met any or had one bad experience with one.

I'll bet Intense and Ropey have never met any Muslims.

Well I don't know about intense but Ropey has fought wars against Muslims, so I think he has met them. I don't believe Ropey actually hates Muslims though.

I don't think Ropey hates Muslims either. Since he's fought against them, I wonder if he still sees them as enemies.

Well if we lived in Israel and lost family fighting against Arabs and were in a constant state of war, I think we may have different perspectives as well.

 

[Intense]

Islam does not promote totalitarian rule. Dictators use religion to control the people. They exploit sectarian differences to divide the people.

Human rights cannot happen with totalitarian rule. The religion of Islam is varied. It is NOT the problem you think it is.

THEOCRACY IS.

Islam's current Goal is an Islamic World under the Rule of Sharia Law. That is Fact. It is also Theocracy and Totalitarian in Nature. Hence the need for Reform in Islam. Hence, the sole purpose of this Thread.

The sole purpose of this thread is anti-islamic propaganda, which I oppose. You don't seem to know the difference between Islam as it expressed in Islamic Middle Eastern theocracies and Islam as it practiced in non-totalitarian or theocratic regimes.

You are paranoid. Sharia Law will never be the rule of law in America.

It's the same with Christianity. There is a tiny minority of Dominionists who seek world Christian domination. They cite the Bible as justification.

There is a minority of crazy Muslim terrorists who want to blow us up. The religion of Islam is not to blame.

You are grossly misinformed. Do you even know what the Cordoba Initiative is??? Have you even asked Kalam or Sunni about their Views about bringing Sharia Law here??? Are you Sharia Compliant??? You need to check your premise. Educate, learn the distinction between a call to Reform and a Condemnation. Grow up while you are at it. I suggest I know my motives, better than you think you know my motives.

 

[Intense]

Bullshit. You only want people posting here who agree with your prejudicial views toward the Islamic religion.

Your Premise is wrong. You are wrong. You are confused.

Really? How many times have you suggested I leave this thread? I keep waiting for one post you write to me that doesn't include an insult.

Are you capable of writing one?

Only after you have earned it.

 

[Intense]

I wish every American had the opportunity you did to learn about ordinary Muslims and how oppressive their governments are.

What I have learned is that Arabs who hate Americans the most have either never met one or had a really bad experience with one, same with Arabs.

And Americans who hate Muslims the most have never met any or had one bad experience with one.

I'll bet Intense and Ropey have never met any Muslims.

I'll bet you that I have more Mosques and Buddhist Temples in My Neighborhood than you have in Yours. You are batting Zero.

 

[Ropey]

I wish every American had the opportunity you did to learn about ordinary Muslims and how oppressive their governments are.

What I have learned is that Arabs who hate Americans the most have either never met one or had a really bad experience with one, same with Arabs.

And Americans who hate Muslims the most have never met any or had one bad experience with one.

I'll bet Intense and Ropey have never met any Muslims.

You constantly make assumptions about me Sky Dancer. That's a complete and utter fail.

How many times have you said you are leaving. Then you come back and put more words in my mouth? Sheesh!

You might wish to get a grip on how one discusses.

Or continue to put your words in the mouths of others.

 

[Sunni Man]

You are grossly misinformed. Do you even know what the Cordoba Initiative is???

You keep bringing up the Cordoba Initiative as if it is something bad or terrorist related?

This is from the Cordoba Initiative web site:

Our Mission

Solving some of the most intractable conflicts in the world today requires innovative strategies for cross-cultural engagement. Cordoba Initiative tackles this mandate with forethought, expertise and the ability to leverage contacts in influential positions within the Muslim World and the West. Thinking outside the box about international and intercultural conflict resolution also means thinking introspectively about each side's place within its own historical narrative with a view to devising internally oriented solutions.

Why Cordoba Initiative?

The programs at Cordoba Initiative (CI) are designed to cultivate multi-cultural and multi-faith understanding across minds and borders. In the ten years since our founding, the necessity to strengthen the bridge between Islam and the West continues to prevail. Cordoba Initiative seeks to actively promote engagement through a myriad of programs, by reinforcing similarities and addressing differences.

What does Cordoba Initiative Do?

Advising policy makers and thought leaders on urgent Muslim-West issues
Bringing new perspectives to familiar debates
Providing expert knowledge of Islamic Law and other technical subjects for use in the public square

Action

Building a network of young Muslim leaders to lead the drive for change in future generations
Responding to Muslim-West crises
Advocating for human rights, including higher standards for the treatment of women

Outcomes

Raising the bar of Islamic governance in Muslim-majority countries
Changing perceptions of the other in both the Muslim World and the West
Fostering cooperation between governments, civil society organizations, media, academics and business leaders in the Muslim World and the West

About CI | Cordoba

 

[Ropey]

Well if we lived in Israel and lost family fighting against Arabs and were in a constant state of war, I think we may have different perspectives as well.

Indeed. Sunni Man makes his perspective very understandable.

 

[Intense]

You are grossly misinformed. Do you even know what the Cordoba Initiative is???

You keep bringing up the Cordoba Initiative as if it is something bad or terrorist related?

This is from the Cordoba Initiative web site:

Our Mission

Solving some of the most intractable conflicts in the world today requires innovative strategies for cross-cultural engagement. Cordoba Initiative tackles this mandate with forethought, expertise and the ability to leverage contacts in influential positions within the Muslim World and the West. Thinking outside the box about international and intercultural conflict resolution also means thinking introspectively about each side's place within its own historical narrative with a view to devising internally oriented solutions.

Why Cordoba Initiative?

The programs at Cordoba Initiative (CI) are designed to cultivate multi-cultural and multi-faith understanding across minds and borders. In the ten years since our founding, the necessity to strengthen the bridge between Islam and the West continues to prevail. Cordoba Initiative seeks to actively promote engagement through a myriad of programs, by reinforcing similarities and addressing differences.

What does Cordoba Initiative Do?

Advising policy makers and thought leaders on urgent Muslim-West issues
Bringing new perspectives to familiar debates
Providing expert knowledge of Islamic Law and other technical subjects for use in the public square

Action

Building a network of young Muslim leaders to lead the drive for change in future generations
Responding to Muslim-West crises
Advocating for human rights, including higher standards for the treatment of women

Outcomes

Raising the bar of Islamic governance in Muslim-majority countries
Changing perceptions of the other in both the Muslim World and the West
Fostering cooperation between governments, civil society organizations, media, academics and business leaders in the Muslim World and the West

About CI | Cordoba

Are you Sharia Compliant? What are your view's on bringing Sharia Law to the US Sunni??? What are the Views of the Cordoba Initiative on bringing Sharia Law here??? We bot know the answer to both those questions. Humor me, and rather than evade the questions, answer them. Tell Sky Dancer your true intent. Tell the World. Sharia is in need of Reform Sunni. It violates Human Rights. That is my only issue with you or Islam.

 

[Ropey]

I know, damn Russians wanting to buffer themselves from the horde.

How dare they.

Since you are concerned with Islamic teachings, the words themselves, why not ask Kalam and Sunni Man what they mean?

What have I received from you Kalam, and from Sunni Man? I can post both of your responses regarding me and Israel. Even so, I have always been civil with you. Even when you called me "filth" and other names.

@ Sunni Man and Sky Dancer

Why would I be concerned with anything Sunni Man says since he has been clear about what he would like to do to the entire worlds population of Jews. And Sky Dancer, how can you ask me such a question when you have read what Sunni Man wants to do to my entire people?

I see your point. I wouldn't take kindly to being called filth or to sitting still for Sunni Man's 'solution to the Jewish problem'. It's horrible. He has a similar solution to the 'gay problem' as well.

That's wrong. Kalam has no right to call you filth and expect you to respect his posts.

I guess, I was thinking more in terms of having a Muslim who posts here offer an alternative interpretation to some of the verses you have a problem with.

I don't know why I thought this would help. You've rejected my alternative interpretations.

Rejected? You mean one must agree with your interpretations to not reject them?

You sound more Christian than Buddhist.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

There is a minority of crazy Muslim terrorists who want to blow us up. The religion of Islam is not to blame.

You have opinions but not facts. This topic is one you should avoid until you become familiar with what Islamic scripture call for from believers.

Quran 3:104
`Let there be a group of you who call to good, commanding the right and forbidding the wrong, for those are the successful''
COMMANDING THE RIGHT AND FORBIDDING THE WRONG

9:112. (The believers whose lives Allah has purchased are) those who repent to Allah (from polytheism and hypocrisy, etc.), who worship Him, who praise Him, who fast (or go out in Allah's Cause),

who bow down (in prayer), who prostrate themselves (in prayer), who enjoin (people) for Al-Ma'ruf (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all what Islam has ordained)

and forbid (people) from Al-Munkar (i.e. disbelief, polytheism of all kinds and all that Islam has forbidden), and who observe the limits set by Allah (do all that Allah has ordained and abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which Allah has forbidden). And give glad tidings to the believers