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Yes absolutely. A woman controls her own body and what happens inside of it. Nobody else gets control of her reproductive system. Period.Punished? If that's the way you want to look at it then sure.So you feel all men should be punished because there are some men that do not care of their responsibilities?The laws that allows abortion is sexist. The preborn baby is as much a part of the man as it is the woman. The woman is no more than a carrier of the preborn baby that the present law allows her to kill regardless of the man's wishes. If you place a fertilized egg in a woman and she carries it to full term and allows the baby to continue to live it will have no genetic comparison to the carrier therefore she is just a carrier.
an estimate of about 21 million children are born out of wedlock in the world
The latest US number
12.1% are informal child support agreements established between the two parents
- There are currently 13.6 million custodial single parents living in the U.S.
- About half of them (50.2%) have some type of legal or informal child support agreement in place
- 87.9% of those child support agreements are formal agreements, established in court or through a Title IV-D agency
Only 12 percent of men are stepping up to the plate without being forced too
$33.7 billion dollars in child support was owed during the year 2015
Granted some men step up to the plate but a lot of then don't
Realistically, normal women will never let men assume control over our bodies. Never.
If you don't want to be responsible for an abortion, keep control of your sperm. It's that simple.
So, you are saying that women should not have to face ANY responsibility for getting pregnant, but hold ALL discretion in terms of the life or death of the new life inside them. That is a very condescendingly misandrist position to take.Here's an idea. If a man doesn't want his offspring aborted, he shouldn't place his sperm in the body of a woman who doesn't want a child. Condoms are cheap.What danger this is not 1920? The man can not carry a baby only pay for it if the woman chooses to allow the baby to live. The woman can not get pregnant without the sperm of a man which is something missed by many when they took biology in school.The laws that allows abortion is sexist. The preborn baby is as much a part of the man as it is the woman. The woman is no more than a carrier of the preborn baby that the present law allows her to kill regardless of the man's wishes. If you place a fertilized egg in a woman and she carries it to full term and allows the baby to continue to live it will have no genetic comparison to the carrier therefore she is just a carrier.
The man takes none of the risks of pregnancy. His life is never in danger.
But I have an idea. If it is as much a part of the man as the woman, let him take on the pregnancy and allow him to have it implanted. It might be uncomfortable and a bit risky, but what pregnancy isn't?
Men need to control their sperm if they are concerned about abortion. Once they've placed it inside the woman's body, they no longer have control of the situation.
I respect a womens right to choose.
The controversy rages. Both sides at each others throats over an issue that neither will give ground on. One side says that it's murder while the other side says that others no right to tell them what to do with their body. In perspective both are have a point for mankind has many laws both religious and secular. Which in turn can lead to many questions on the subject. One such question that I've never seen asked is the following...
If these pro-abortion people don't want others telling them 'what to do with their body' what gives them the right to demand government funding to support an institution/agency (Planned Parenthood) to tell them what to do with their bodies?
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NOTE: This is the Clean Debate Zone and it would be greatly appreciated if mod involvement for flaming and other offences not be required for this thread.
I'd have more respect for the conservative perspective (al life is precious, abortion is murder) if they didn't spend all day talking about how much they like POST BIRTH ABORTION;
killing gays
killing liberals
killing atheists
killing muslims
killing moderates
killing RINOS
If a woman is contemplating an abortion....
and you convince her that ABORTION IS MURDER
so she decides to have the child
and it grows up to be a homosexual, atheist, liberal....
why do you want to kill it?
killing another living being is not controlling your own reproductive system.Yes absolutely. A woman controls her own body and what happens inside of it. Nobody else gets control of her reproductive system. Period.Punished? If that's the way you want to look at it then sure.So you feel all men should be punished because there are some men that do not care of their responsibilities?The laws that allows abortion is sexist. The preborn baby is as much a part of the man as it is the woman. The woman is no more than a carrier of the preborn baby that the present law allows her to kill regardless of the man's wishes. If you place a fertilized egg in a woman and she carries it to full term and allows the baby to continue to live it will have no genetic comparison to the carrier therefore she is just a carrier.
an estimate of about 21 million children are born out of wedlock in the world
The latest US number
12.1% are informal child support agreements established between the two parents
- There are currently 13.6 million custodial single parents living in the U.S.
- About half of them (50.2%) have some type of legal or informal child support agreement in place
- 87.9% of those child support agreements are formal agreements, established in court or through a Title IV-D agency
Only 12 percent of men are stepping up to the plate without being forced too
$33.7 billion dollars in child support was owed during the year 2015
Granted some men step up to the plate but a lot of then don't
Realistically, normal women will never let men assume control over our bodies. Never.
If you don't want to be responsible for an abortion, keep control of your sperm. It's that simple.
So, you are saying that women should not have to face ANY responsibility for getting pregnant, but hold ALL discretion in terms of the life or death of the new life inside them. That is a very condescendingly misandrist position to take.Here's an idea. If a man doesn't want his offspring aborted, he shouldn't place his sperm in the body of a woman who doesn't want a child. Condoms are cheap.What danger this is not 1920? The man can not carry a baby only pay for it if the woman chooses to allow the baby to live. The woman can not get pregnant without the sperm of a man which is something missed by many when they took biology in school.The laws that allows abortion is sexist. The preborn baby is as much a part of the man as it is the woman. The woman is no more than a carrier of the preborn baby that the present law allows her to kill regardless of the man's wishes. If you place a fertilized egg in a woman and she carries it to full term and allows the baby to continue to live it will have no genetic comparison to the carrier therefore she is just a carrier.
The man takes none of the risks of pregnancy. His life is never in danger.
But I have an idea. If it is as much a part of the man as the woman, let him take on the pregnancy and allow him to have it implanted. It might be uncomfortable and a bit risky, but what pregnancy isn't?
Men need to control their sperm if they are concerned about abortion. Once they've placed it inside the woman's body, they no longer have control of the situation.
If a man doesn't like abortion, he has to control his sperm. Because his control ends with his own reproductive system. It's as simple as that.
The controversy rages. Both sides at each others throats over an issue that neither will give ground on. One side says that it's murder while the other side says that others no right to tell them what to do with their body. In perspective both are have a point for mankind has many laws both religious and secular. Which in turn can lead to many questions on the subject. One such question that I've never seen asked is the following...
If these pro-abortion people don't want others telling them 'what to do with their body' what gives them the right to demand government funding to support an institution/agency (Planned Parenthood) to tell them what to do with their bodies?
*****SMILE*****
NOTE: This is the Clean Debate Zone and it would be greatly appreciated if mod involvement for flaming and other offences not be required for this thread.
I'd have more respect for the conservative perspective (al life is precious, abortion is murder) if they didn't spend all day talking about how much they like POST BIRTH ABORTION;
killing gays
killing liberals
killing atheists
killing muslims
killing moderates
killing RINOS
If a woman is contemplating an abortion....
and you convince her that ABORTION IS MURDER
so she decides to have the child
and it grows up to be a homosexual, atheist, liberal....
why do you want to kill it?
Who in this thread has advocated anything CLOSE to that?
Why do you argue the imaginary rather rhan real? It is illogical, unintelligent and disingenuous.
in this thread?
don't know
But since I read sentiments like that on a daily basis in this message board I'm standing by it.
conservatives demand that she have the child but then don't care if the mother and child die homeless on the street.
conservatives demand that she have the child but then don't care if the mother and child die homeless on the street.
Who the fuck is dying in the street?
Are you stepping over bodies when you walk down the street?
Same utter horse shit democrats use when trying to take over the health care system!
Please pardon my rant in the CDZ but deception and straw men piss me off!
His control ends where his responsibility ends...and what happens if the man wants the abortion and the woman doesn't?If a man doesn't like abortion, he has to control his sperm. Because his control ends with his own reproductive system. It's as simple as that.
Why does she see it as a right to deny another human the right to life?
No matter how you craft language to assuage your sense of guilt regarding the reality of the procedure, one person's life life is being terminated at the behest of another.
You are here and alive here on earth. It is probably safe to say that you prefer this over the alternative. Is there any time during your gestation where an abortion would have not prevented you from making the choice to continue to live?
The public was even more anti-war leading up to Pearl Harbor.
The world, including the US were pro-surrender.
Adolph Hitler flagrantly violated the Treaty of Versailles with his military build-up of an air force, the number of soldiers, a massive program of building tanks, warships, submarines and all other war materials. Europe and the US did nothing. That was pro-surrender. The Allies could have stopped Hitler at that point, no one did. France and Britain were forced to declare war on Germany when Hitler annexed part of Poland and then invaded the remainder. However, they actually did nothing. Pro-surrender".
Anywhere along the line, the allies had the justification but chose pro-surrender. IF the allies had been pro-war and crushed Adolph Hitler then, Would 30, 40, or more million lives been saved?
An abortion is a form of child molestation. No aborted child ever escapes "unmolested" from the womb.
(Note that, not all molestations are sexual)
If someone were to propose lifting laws against other forms of molestation (sexual for exampe). . . I doubt very much that you would try to draw the same distinction then that you are drawing now.
If you are pro molestation enough to want it "legalized?" You are pro molestation. Period.
Be it through an abortion or by any other means.
The right to make choices is not in question.
The question for you, is . . "Does ANYONE have the right to violate the rights and or lives of another*, with the choices they make?" *Namely, especially a child.
It's a simple yes or no question.
Either you feel that they do. Or you don't.
The right to make choices is not in question.
The question for you, is . . "Does ANYONE have the right to violate the rights and or lives of another*, with the choices they make?" *Namely, especially a child.
It's a simple yes or no question.
Either you feel that they do. Or you don't.
Fetuses aren't children. Therefore women have a right to end unwanted pregnancies.
By definition , a child is between the age of birth and adolescence and that is by definition an actual illegal killing that is by definition a murder that will be prosecuted .The right to make choices is not in question.
The question for you, is . . "Does ANYONE have the right to violate the rights and or lives of another*, with the choices they make?" *Namely, especially a child.
It's a simple yes or no question.
Either you feel that they do. Or you don't.
The fetus is without constitutional protections and is the private property of the mother and any violence asserted against the fetus is an offense against the private property of the mother , that can include elevated penalties for special circumstances as are applied for many crimes .Say it with me. . .
Fetal
HOMICIDE
Laws.
A fetus is the private property of the mother and if a male does not want the debt incurred from facilitating the child then do not provide the means to that end .His control ends where his responsibility ends...and what happens if the man wants the abortion and the woman doesn't?
The left is all about climate change but cannot make its correlation with human over population , in that the planet and us are full .In los angeles??? Really? Maybe their problems will be solved if they allow another 10 million illegals in.
No. Nothing Trumps my ability to control my own body and my own sexual reproductive system. Nothing and nobody. Ever.One side says that it's murder while the other side says that others no right to tell them what to do with their body. In perspective both are have a point
And THERE is the debate we should have on a national level!
Is it a womans right to do what she wants with her own body? YES!
Is abortion the murder of a human being? YES!
Now we should put those 2 things on a balance-scale & see which one weighs heavier.
Most of those types do not pay child support anyway." Valid Proof Of Non Consent Absent "
* Given Freely *
A fetus is the private property of the mother and if a male does not want the debt incurred from facilitating the child then do not provide the means to that end .His control ends where his responsibility ends...and what happens if the man wants the abortion and the woman doesn't?
