Abbas calls Israel a colonial project unrelated to Judaism

[P F Tinmore]

beginning in April, 1939, “no further Jewish immigration will be permitted unless the Arabs of Palestine are prepared to acquiesce in it.”

Indeed, Palestinian sovereignty over the land.

 

[Hollie]

beginning in April, 1939, “no further Jewish immigration will be permitted unless the Arabs of Palestine are prepared to acquiesce in it.”

Indeed, Palestinian sovereignty over the land.

Indeed, it had nothing to to with Arab-Moslem sovereignty. Please identify what authority established Arab-Moslem sovereignty.

Shirley, you can link to a YouTube video. One produced by Pallywood Studios, perhaps?

Indeed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

beginning in April, 1939, “no further Jewish immigration will be permitted unless the Arabs of Palestine are prepared to acquiesce in it.”

Indeed, Palestinian sovereignty over the land.

Indeed, it had nothing to to with Arab-Moslem sovereignty. Please identify what authority established Arab-Moslem sovereignty.

Shirley, you can link to a YouTube video. One produced by Pallywood Studios, perhaps?

Indeed.

The Palestinians have had sovereignty since the Treaty of Lausanne.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

beginning in April, 1939, “no further Jewish immigration will be permitted unless the Arabs of Palestine are prepared to acquiesce in it.”

Indeed, Palestinian sovereignty over the land.

Indeed, it had nothing to to with Arab-Moslem sovereignty. Please identify what authority established Arab-Moslem sovereignty.

Shirley, you can link to a YouTube video. One produced by Pallywood Studios, perhaps?

Indeed.

The Palestinians have had sovereignty since the Treaty of Lausanne.

That assertion has already been proven to be false.

 

[P F Tinmore]

beginning in April, 1939, “no further Jewish immigration will be permitted unless the Arabs of Palestine are prepared to acquiesce in it.”

Indeed, Palestinian sovereignty over the land.

Indeed, it had nothing to to with Arab-Moslem sovereignty. Please identify what authority established Arab-Moslem sovereignty.

Shirley, you can link to a YouTube video. One produced by Pallywood Studios, perhaps?

Indeed.

The Palestinians have had sovereignty since the Treaty of Lausanne.

That assertion has already been proven to be false.

Link?

 

[Hollie]

beginning in April, 1939, “no further Jewish immigration will be permitted unless the Arabs of Palestine are prepared to acquiesce in it.”

Indeed, Palestinian sovereignty over the land.

Indeed, it had nothing to to with Arab-Moslem sovereignty. Please identify what authority established Arab-Moslem sovereignty.

Shirley, you can link to a YouTube video. One produced by Pallywood Studios, perhaps?

Indeed.

The Palestinians have had sovereignty since the Treaty of Lausanne.

You still cling to that falsehood.

 

[P F Tinmore]

beginning in April, 1939, “no further Jewish immigration will be permitted unless the Arabs of Palestine are prepared to acquiesce in it.”

Indeed, Palestinian sovereignty over the land.

Indeed, it had nothing to to with Arab-Moslem sovereignty. Please identify what authority established Arab-Moslem sovereignty.

Shirley, you can link to a YouTube video. One produced by Pallywood Studios, perhaps?

Indeed.

The Palestinians have had sovereignty since the Treaty of Lausanne.

You still cling to that falsehood.

Nobody has ever proven it to be false. They just dance around the issue.

 

[Sixties Fan]

beginning in April, 1939, “no further Jewish immigration will be permitted unless the Arabs of Palestine are prepared to acquiesce in it.”

Indeed, Palestinian sovereignty over the land.

Indeed, it had nothing to to with Arab-Moslem sovereignty. Please identify what authority established Arab-Moslem sovereignty.

Shirley, you can link to a YouTube video. One produced by Pallywood Studios, perhaps?

Indeed.

The Palestinians have had sovereignty since the Treaty of Lausanne.

You still cling to that falsehood.

Nobody has ever proven it to be false. They just dance around the issue.

No dancing.

You are not Fred Astaire and you are simply up to learning to dance, sing or anything else.

"Palestinian Sovereignty".

Just when exactly did it ever exist between the 7th century and the end of the Ottoman Empire?

Shall we dance? 1, 2 , 3, 4

 

[ForeverYoung436]

beginning in April, 1939, “no further Jewish immigration will be permitted unless the Arabs of Palestine are prepared to acquiesce in it.”

Indeed, Palestinian sovereignty over the land.

Indeed, it had nothing to to with Arab-Moslem sovereignty. Please identify what authority established Arab-Moslem sovereignty.

Shirley, you can link to a YouTube video. One produced by Pallywood Studios, perhaps?

Indeed.

The Palestinians have had sovereignty since the Treaty of Lausanne.

You still cling to that falsehood.

Nobody has ever proven it to be false. They just dance around the issue.

How is Rocco answering your questions about that Treaty 12 million times already "dancing around it"?

 

[Hollie]

beginning in April, 1939, “no further Jewish immigration will be permitted unless the Arabs of Palestine are prepared to acquiesce in it.”

Indeed, Palestinian sovereignty over the land.

Indeed, it had nothing to to with Arab-Moslem sovereignty. Please identify what authority established Arab-Moslem sovereignty.

Shirley, you can link to a YouTube video. One produced by Pallywood Studios, perhaps?

Indeed.

The Palestinians have had sovereignty since the Treaty of Lausanne.

You still cling to that falsehood.

Nobody has ever proven it to be false. They just dance around the issue.

That’s so silly. Where is your proof it hasn’t been proven false?

Indeed. Go run yourself around in circles.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Abbas calls Israel a colonial project unrelated to Judaism
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Was it a joint project? (Rhetorical) Yes, very much so.

Jewish immigration, ⇒ no matter what the Arab Palestinian impression, was not then and is not now, a Jewish Puppet Colony of the British Empire.

Debatable, but it really does not matter. It was a joint project.

(COMMENT)

Whatever else was said, the principle objective was the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Abbas calls Israel a colonial project unrelated to Judaism
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

That is probably true, "Nobody has ever proven it to be false."

​

This is a basic Law of Logic.

beginning in April, 1939, “no further Jewish immigration will be permitted unless the Arabs of Palestine are prepared to acquiesce in it.”

Indeed, Palestinian sovereignty over the land.

Indeed, it had nothing to to with Arab-Moslem sovereignty. Please identify what authority established Arab-Moslem sovereignty.

Shirley, you can link to a YouTube video. One produced by Pallywood Studios, perhaps?

Indeed.

The Palestinians have had sovereignty since the Treaty of Lausanne.

You still cling to that falsehood.

Nobody has ever proven it to be false. They just dance around the issue.

(COMMENT)

The Tinmore Claim
is
The Palestinians have had sovereignty since the Treaty of Lausanne.
(The authority of a state to govern itself.)
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Question (Excluding the Gaza Strip): In the last thousand years, Where did the Palestinians maintain
a self-governing territory (Sovereignty ⇒ Supreme Authority) state, or nation known as Palestine?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
​

I will agree that, there are cases in which the existence of something absent from reality (Palestinians sovereignty or self-governing territory) IS possible to prove; but it would not conform to logical thought. But it would put you into a new realm:

The existence of the "Tinmore Claim that sovereignty for the Palestinians originated from the Treaty of Lausanne" is not anymore unlikely as the existence of a "Unicorn."

I cannot prove there is no such thing (non-existence) as a "Unicorn" or the "Tinmore Claim." (I cannot prove the non-existence of a Bigfoot, Dragons, Monsters, Fairy's, Mermaid, Elf, witches and warlocks, UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster, and the theory of Atlantis.)

Theoretically, everyone is a member of a constituency that has the "Right to Sovereignty;" treaty or not.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Abbas calls Israel a colonial project unrelated to Judaism
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Was it a joint project? (Rhetorical) Yes, very much so.

Jewish immigration, ⇒ no matter what the Arab Palestinian impression, was not then and is not now, a Jewish Puppet Colony of the British Empire.

Debatable, but it really does not matter. It was a joint project.

(COMMENT)

Whatever else was said, the principle objective was the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.

Most Respectfully,
R

the principle objective was the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.

It is the Palestinians, not foreigners, who have the right to determine such a thing.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Abbas calls Israel a colonial project unrelated to Judaism
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Was it a joint project? (Rhetorical) Yes, very much so.

Jewish immigration, ⇒ no matter what the Arab Palestinian impression, was not then and is not now, a Jewish Puppet Colony of the British Empire.

Debatable, but it really does not matter. It was a joint project.

(COMMENT)

Whatever else was said, the principle objective was the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.

Most Respectfully,
R

the principle objective was the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.

It is the Palestinians, not foreigners, who have the right to determine such a thing.

Your “..... because I say so” commandment has no validity.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Abbas calls Israel a colonial project unrelated to Judaism
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, you are 40% right..

the principle objective was the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.

It is the Palestinians, not foreigners, who have the right to determine such a thing.

(COMMENT)

You placed emphasis on in Palestine, as if it was directly related to some characteristic or consequence of today's Arab Palestinians. That would be wrong.

The "territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies," hereinafter described as Palestine; was defined, surveyed and named by the Allied Powers. The territory was carved-out of the Vilayet Beruit and the Independent Sanjuk of Jerusalem.

The Arab's (those we call Palestinians today) → of that era → did not participate in the liberation, or assistance in securing the Occupied Territory. And nor were they a party to the Armistice (1918), the Survey, or the Treaties that followed. And again, they were not a party to the 1949 Armistice arrangements pertaining to the Israeli War of Independence. And once more, the Arab Palestinians were not a party to the Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty (26 March 1979) covering the Gaza Strip; the Arab Palestinians were not a party to the Jordan-Israeli Peace Treaty (1994) covering the West Bank. And the Arab Palestinians were not a party to the decision by the Jordanians to cut all ties with the West Bank.

Having said all that, what instrumentality or event gives any vested interest in the Arab Palestinians over matters of sovereignty (what are they supreme over) → independence and territorial integrity (what instrument determines the boundaries of the 21st Century terrain)?

The West Bank (as an example) is bounded by --- not by borders it maintains, but by borders its neighbors maintain.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

You placed emphasis on in Palestine, as if it was directly related to some characteristic or consequence of today's Arab Palestinians. That would be wrong.

Why would everyone say "in Palestine" if there was no Palestine?

You don't make any sense.

 

[P F Tinmore]

(what instrument determines the boundaries of the 21st Century terrain)?

When did Palestine's international borders change since 1922?

 

[Shusha]

The Tinmore Claim
is
The Palestinians have had sovereignty since the Treaty of Lausanne.
(The authority of a state to govern itself.)

​

Small correction. The Tinmore claim is that the ARAB Palestinians have had exclusive sovereignty since the treaty of Lausanne.​

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Abbas calls Israel a colonial project unrelated to Judaism
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

That is probably true, "Nobody has ever proven it to be false."

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This is a basic Law of Logic.

Indeed, Palestinian sovereignty over the land.

Indeed, it had nothing to to with Arab-Moslem sovereignty. Please identify what authority established Arab-Moslem sovereignty.

Shirley, you can link to a YouTube video. One produced by Pallywood Studios, perhaps?

Indeed.

The Palestinians have had sovereignty since the Treaty of Lausanne.

You still cling to that falsehood.

Nobody has ever proven it to be false. They just dance around the issue.

(COMMENT)

The Tinmore Claim
is
The Palestinians have had sovereignty since the Treaty of Lausanne.
(The authority of a state to govern itself.)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Question (Excluding the Gaza Strip): In the last thousand years, Where did the Palestinians maintain
a self-governing territory (Sovereignty ⇒ Supreme Authority) state, or nation known as Palestine?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
​

I will agree that, there are cases in which the existence of something absent from reality (Palestinians sovereignty or self-governing territory) IS possible to prove; but it would not conform to logical thought. But it would put you into a new realm:

The existence of the "Tinmore Claim that sovereignty for the Palestinians originated from the Treaty of Lausanne" is not anymore unlikely as the existence of a "Unicorn."

I cannot prove there is no such thing (non-existence) as a "Unicorn" or the "Tinmore Claim." (I cannot prove the non-existence of a Bigfoot, Dragons, Monsters, Fairy's, Mermaid, Elf, witches and warlocks, UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster, and the theory of Atlantis.)

Theoretically, everyone is a member of a constituency that has the "Right to Sovereignty;" treaty or not.

Most Respectfully,
R

So, when Israel claims that there never was a Palestine and there never were any Palestinians, what is their source?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Abbas calls Israel a colonial project unrelated to Judaism
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Don't make this more complicated then it needs to be.

You placed emphasis on in Palestine, as if it was directly related to some characteristic or consequence of today's Arab Palestinians. That would be wrong.

Why would everyone say "in Palestine" if there was no Palestine?

You don't make any sense.

(COMMENT)

Don't give me that nonsense.

1. Prior to the end of the Ottoman Empire (1918) for most people, Palestine was an Western Name for an ancient region in the Middle East. But it was an unbounded and unincorporated region --- which was not a political subdivision of any one government. Nor was the region actually under a single government or sub-government for a 1000 years. What is called Palestine by the beginning of the 20th Century was a series consular regions with no fixed boundaries, and under the venue of more than a half-dozen Ottoman Administrations for nearly 200 years previous.

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2. The Treaty of Lausanne makes no mention of "Palestine."​

Yes, there was something called "Palestine" prior to the surrender of the Ottoman Empire; but not a political subdivision like you are making it out to be.

Just because you hear the name, does not mean there is any special political meaning to it. I am "Appalachian." I was born in the western foothills of the Blue Ridge. Does that mean I have Appalachian citizenship, or that it is an autonomous or self-governing bound territory? No! But my family owns property in Appalachia.

Most Respectfully,
R