Discussion in 'Current Events' started by rayboyusmc, Jan 30, 2009.
Obama touts middle-class task force led by Biden - Yahoo! News
May I also post this?
ThomHartmann.com - Democracy - Not "The Free Market" - Will Save America's Middle Class
1. There is no such thing as a "free market."
2. The "middle class" is the creation of government intervention in the marketplace, and won't exist without it (as millions of Americans and Europeans are discovering).
The conservative belief in "free markets" is a bit like the Catholic Church's insistence that the Earth was at the center of the Solar System in the Twelfth Century. It's widely believed by those in power, those who challenge it are branded heretics and ridiculed, and it is wrong.
In actual fact, there is no such thing as a "free market." Markets are the creation of government.
Governments provide a stable currency to make markets possible. They provide a legal infrastructure and court systems to enforce the contracts that make markets possible. They provide educated workforces through public education, and those workers show up at their places of business after traveling on public roads, rails, or airways provided by government. Businesses that use the "free market" are protected by police and fire departments provided by government, and send their communications - from phone to fax to internet - over lines that follow public rights-of-way maintained and protected by government.
And, most important, the rules of the game of business are defined by government. Any sports fan can tell you that football, baseball, or hockey without rules and referees would be a mess. Similarly, business without rules won't work.
Which explains why conservative economics wiped out the middle class during the period from 1880 to 1932, and why, when Reagan again began applying conservative economics, the middle class again began to vanish in America in the 1980s - a process that has dramatically picked up steam under George W. Bush.
I listen to him whenever I can. He is a knowledgeable talk show host who consistantly brings on conservatives with opposing views and demonstrates that we can disagree without name calling.
He is not a screamer or shouter or peddler of hate.
ThomHartmann.com - About Thom Hartmann
yeah Biden is a great representative of the middle class.
Here's a guy who was in the top 5% of earners in the country for the last what 30 plus years and he hasn't managed to save a fucking dime.
great role model eh?
pretty edgy, coming out in favor of the middle class and unions.
rugged individualism...pairs nicely with a dandelion salad.
You know, the right wingers call MSNBC's Rachel Maddow a liberal show, but for a liberal show, she sure give Pat Buchanan an awful lot of air time.
Who does O'Reilly, Hannity or Rush have on to argue back?
All you have to do to find out is tune in.. simple as pie.
I do. They have weak timid people.
And Rachel Maddow thanked a Republican who came on her show the other night because most of them are too cowardly to show up to a show like her's that will expose them as liars and hypocrites.
Maybe a fortune is not what is important to him like it is to many of our politicians. Too many of them have become the upper upper class and now couldn't see past all their dollars for the good of the American people.
Actually, he has saved more than a fucking dime.
Plus what the fuck does that have to do with this thread?
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