A Step Closer to Death Panels

[boedicca]

The FDA did not look at cost. It looked at effectiveness.

The Federal Health Officials who are pushing for revocation of the approval are very likely looking at costs.

That's what HHS will largely be doing for ObamaCare. Deciding which procedures and drugs cost are not cost effective (based on how the government values one's life) is their raison d'etre.

you learned nothing in this thread.

well done.

As if I give a fig what a moron like you thinks.

You've learned nothing over the past two years, and likely during a much more extensive period prior to that.

 

[L.K.Eder]

The Federal Health Officials who are pushing for revocation of the approval are very likely looking at costs.

That's what HHS will largely be doing for ObamaCare. Deciding which procedures and drugs cost are not cost effective (based on how the government values one's life) is their raison d'etre.

you learned nothing in this thread.

well done.

As if I give a fig what a moron like you thinks.

You've learned nothing over the past two years, and likely during a much more extensive period prior to that.

once again you bested me with your superior wit.

how do you do it?

i throw something at you, and it like totally bounces off you, back to me, and sticks like sticky bomb!

how am i supposed to defend that.

i give up.

 

[xotoxi]

It was only de-listed over cost.

The FDA did not look at cost. It looked at effectiveness.

The Federal Health Officials who are pushing for revocation of the approval are very likely looking at costs.

If that is the case, then you need to show proof.

Otherwise, you are just guessing.

 

[beowolfe]

Death panels? People, if you're viewing as a death panel, a group of people who decide what gets what in terms of medicine and/or health care, we've always had them. This article, doesn't even have enough information to determine if unapproving this drug is a good idea or not. You guys take positions w/o even knowing the score.

 

[xotoxi]

Death panels? People, if you're viewing as a death panel, a group of people who decide what gets what in terms of medicine and/or health care, we've always had them. This article, doesn't even have enough information to determine if unapproving this drug is a good idea or not. You guys take positions w/o even knowing the score.

They take the position of completely unfounded fear that the government wants to kill everyone.

 

[uscitizen]

Death panels? People, if you're viewing as a death panel, a group of people who decide what gets what in terms of medicine and/or health care, we've always had them. This article, doesn't even have enough information to determine if unapproving this drug is a good idea or not. You guys take positions w/o even knowing the score.

Yep it depends on who is telling them what to think.

 

[loosecannon]

So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to their socialist health insurance or tax cuts or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-statist sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

So let's hear your viewpoint. Let's say that Avastin DOES help cancer patients but is VERY expensive. Do you think the drug should still be permitted to be used regardless of what it costs?

So you want to put a price on life? What happen to the Constitutioin? If the government can get this approved it will in fact be going against the Constitution
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The government will not be promoting the general welfare the portion liberals love to use in their argument for obamacare.

Thank you for proving my point and supporting Universal Health Care for all.

You should know better than that asshole I will not allow you to side step a question, and make a comment for me that I did not make.

Do you think the drug should still be permitted to be used regardless of what it costs?

I want to know what price or value do you place another human beings life? Rationing will be a violation of the Constitution. But to demorcrats it really doesn't matter because obamacare is unconstitutional.

 

[RDD_1210]

So you want to put a price on life? What happen to the Constitutioin? If the government can get this approved it will in fact be going against the Constitution
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The government will not be promoting the general welfare the portion liberals love to use in their argument for obamacare.

Thank you for proving my point and supporting Universal Health Care for all.

You should know better than that asshole I will not allow you to side step a question, and make a comment for me that I did not make.

Do you think the drug should still be permitted to be used regardless of what it costs?

I want to know what price or value do you place another human beings life? Rationing will be a violation of the Constitution. But to demorcrats it really doesn't matter because obamacare is unconstitutional.

LOL, Right over your head.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Death panels? People, if you're viewing as a death panel, a group of people who decide what gets what in terms of medicine and/or health care, we've always had them. This article, doesn't even have enough information to determine if unapproving this drug is a good idea or not. You guys take positions w/o even knowing the score.

How old are you? Are you in your 20's? early 30's? When you hit 60 you will be looking for anythiung that will help keep you alive. Young people think they will live forever and the old should die until it get close to their time.

 

[uscitizen]

Thank you for proving my point and supporting Universal Health Care for all.

You should know better than that asshole I will not allow you to side step a question, and make a comment for me that I did not make.

Do you think the drug should still be permitted to be used regardless of what it costs?

I want to know what price or value do you place another human beings life? Rationing will be a violation of the Constitution. But to demorcrats it really doesn't matter because obamacare is unconstitutional.

LOL, Right over your head.

Rationing? Sounds like a socialist line to me
big red should not be such a tool of big pharma.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Thank you for proving my point and supporting Universal Health Care for all.

You should know better than that asshole I will not allow you to side step a question, and make a comment for me that I did not make.

Do you think the drug should still be permitted to be used regardless of what it costs?

I want to know what price or value do you place another human beings life? Rationing will be a violation of the Constitution. But to demorcrats it really doesn't matter because obamacare is unconstitutional.

LOL, Right over your head.

I want to know asshole what value do you place on human life?

 

[RDD_1210]

You should know better than that asshole I will not allow you to side step a question, and make a comment for me that I did not make.



I want to know what price or value do you place another human beings life? Rationing will be a violation of the Constitution. But to demorcrats it really doesn't matter because obamacare is unconstitutional.

LOL, Right over your head.

I want to know asshole what value do you place on human life?

It's priceless. You in favor for healthcare for everyone regardless of the cost?

 

[uscitizen]

I place such a high value on human life that I feel that war should be the last resort not done in a preemptive manner.
I even value Muslims lives. None of this colateral damage bs for me.
I also support full socialized medicine. for I support lives over profits.

I was against the Iraq invasion and all other non war wars since WW2.
At best Afgansitan should have been a brief police type action, less than 6 months.
go in kick AQ's ass and get out.

 

[RDD_1210]

LOL, Right over your head.

I want to know asshole what value do you place on human life?

It's priceless. You in favor for healthcare for everyone regardless of the cost?

Funny, I (the asshole) responded but no peep from you....

 

[Gadawg73]

Death panels? People, if you're viewing as a death panel, a group of people who decide what gets what in terms of medicine and/or health care, we've always had them. This article, doesn't even have enough information to determine if unapproving this drug is a good idea or not. You guys take positions w/o even knowing the score.

How old are you? Are you in your 20's? early 30's? When you hit 60 you will be looking for anythiung that will help keep you alive. Young people think they will live forever and the old should die until it get close to their time.

Real men,like my Dad the former Marine Captain, do not "look for anything that will keep them alive".
He pulled allof the tubes out of his mouth last May at age 88. He had a living will that stated NO resusitation and the medical thief con artists hooked him up anyway.
Real men do not want life support or greedy hospitals and doctors getting rich off of the taxpayers when they are very old.
That is the damn problem. People want to keep Gramps and Granny alive at the government tit until 109 if they could.
And the medical industry growing at 18% again this year when GNP is at 2% growth are willing to oblige.
WAKE THE FUCK UP DUMBASS AMERICANS.

 

[Greenbeard]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmCT0vxERIM]Modern Medicine[/ame]

 

[Revere]

Death panels? People, if you're viewing as a death panel, a group of people who decide what gets what in terms of medicine and/or health care, we've always had them. This article, doesn't even have enough information to determine if unapproving this drug is a good idea or not. You guys take positions w/o even knowing the score.

How old are you? Are you in your 20's? early 30's? When you hit 60 you will be looking for anythiung that will help keep you alive. Young people think they will live forever and the old should die until it get close to their time.

Real men,like my Dad the former Marine Captain, do not "look for anything that will keep them alive".
He pulled allof the tubes out of his mouth last May at age 88. He had a living will that stated NO resusitation and the medical thief con artists hooked him up anyway.
Real men do not want life support or greedy hospitals and doctors getting rich off of the taxpayers when they are very old.
That is the damn problem. People want to keep Gramps and Granny alive at the government tit until 109 if they could.
And the medical industry growing at 18% again this year when GNP is at 2% growth are willing to oblige.
WAKE THE FUCK UP DUMBASS AMERICANS.

Your decision. Not yours to make for anyone else.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Death panels? People, if you're viewing as a death panel, a group of people who decide what gets what in terms of medicine and/or health care, we've always had them. This article, doesn't even have enough information to determine if unapproving this drug is a good idea or not. You guys take positions w/o even knowing the score.

How old are you? Are you in your 20's? early 30's? When you hit 60 you will be looking for anythiung that will help keep you alive. Young people think they will live forever and the old should die until it get close to their time.

Real men,like my Dad the former Marine Captain, do not "look for anything that will keep them alive".
He pulled allof the tubes out of his mouth last May at age 88. He had a living will that stated NO resusitation and the medical thief con artists hooked him up anyway.
Real men do not want life support or greedy hospitals and doctors getting rich off of the taxpayers when they are very old.
That is the damn problem. People want to keep Gramps and Granny alive at the government tit until 109 if they could.
And the medical industry growing at 18% again this year when GNP is at 2% growth are willing to oblige.
WAKE THE FUCK UP DUMBASS AMERICANS.

That I doubt, your post was to wordy. like it was a partial cut and paste.

 

[boedicca]

Death panels? People, if you're viewing as a death panel, a group of people who decide what gets what in terms of medicine and/or health care, we've always had them. This article, doesn't even have enough information to determine if unapproving this drug is a good idea or not. You guys take positions w/o even knowing the score.

How old are you? Are you in your 20's? early 30's? When you hit 60 you will be looking for anythiung that will help keep you alive. Young people think they will live forever and the old should die until it get close to their time.

Real men,like my Dad the former Marine Captain, do not "look for anything that will keep them alive".
He pulled allof the tubes out of his mouth last May at age 88. He had a living will that stated NO resusitation and the medical thief con artists hooked him up anyway.
Real men do not want life support or greedy hospitals and doctors getting rich off of the taxpayers when they are very old.
That is the damn problem. People want to keep Gramps and Granny alive at the government tit until 109 if they could.
And the medical industry growing at 18% again this year when GNP is at 2% growth are willing to oblige.
WAKE THE FUCK UP DUMBASS AMERICANS.

This sounds a lot like saying old people have a Duty To Die so as not to be a drain on society.

A DNR order is a very good idea, but it should be up to the individual to decide.