A Step Closer to Death Panels

[mattskramer]

Interesting because it's the insurance companies will be the ones paying for this. Which means that cost gets passed to everyone else through higher premiums. Now "your choice" is affecting me. Aren't you one of the ones who argues about "paying your own way and not mooching off of everyone else"? This seems like an awfully expensive drug to be using when it isn't proven to be completely effective, especially for a fiscal hawk such as yourself.

Now I'm not saying it should have its approval taken away, at least not for cost reasons. I don't think cost should be a primary factor when considering peoples health, but if the data isn't there to support it being effective then that's a different story.

That's what insurance is - pooled risk. If I want to purchase insurance coverage which includes Avastin as an approved med, I should be able to - just as you should be free to purchase insurance coverage which doesn't. If there is enough demand for both options, then the insurance companies can price them accordingly.

The ObamaCare you support will get rid of any choice regarding coverage whatsoever.

That is the whole point of obamacare, it is not your choice, the gov't will decide, nothing but a socialist bill.

I think that health care should be handled the way that education is handled. There is public education available to all. There are also private schools for those who prefer private education and can afford to pay for it. Similarly, public health care should be available to all. Yet, private health care / health insurance would still be available for those who prefer it to the public system and can afford to pay for allegedly better care.

Comments?

 

[boedicca]

Health Insurance was offered as a perk for recruiting employees....

Actually, employers started offering it to get around wage and price controls during WWII. Prior to that, people purchased their own health insurance coverage, if they wanted it.

 

[strollingbones]

A point of information. the inventor of the blood transfusion died in NC I believe it was from blood loss because he was denied access to a white hospital. He was black.

Did he die before 1986?

he was not the inventor of blood transfusions but discovered blood types....blood transfusions had been used before but not always with good results as the blood types were mixed

 

[L.K.Eder]

A point of information. the inventor of the blood transfusion died in NC I believe it was from blood loss because he was denied access to a white hospital. He was black.

Did he die before 1986?

he was not the inventor of blood transfusions but discovered blood types....blood transfusions had been used before but not always with good results as the blood types were mixed

he was charles drew. and he developed a method to STORE blood by separating plasma and cells and freezing both separately. to be later used in a transfusion.

the blood types were classified by landsteiner. an austrian.

 

[strollingbones]

American Red Cross Museum - Dr. Charles Drew

From Laboratory Experiments to Mass Production
Although the blood collection points for the Plasma for Britain Project were at eight different New York hospitals, the central location for the operation was set up in the Presbyterian Hospital. There tests and findings were carried out on blood composition and its preservation. There also, Dr. Drew worked primarily in a successful effort to turn laboratory experiments and the blood research done by others into mass production of plasma for shipment to the British Isles. For example, on learning that the British had successfully modified an ordinary cream separator to separate plasma from the red cells in blood, Dr. Drew ordered two of the modified machines rushed to New York from England and then had similar equipment constructed in the United States so that he could produce the clear plasma on a large scale. Before that time, some New York hospitals in the project had used small centrifuges to separate the plasma, while others were making the separation by the natural process of permitting the blood to sit for several days until the red blood cells settled to the bottom of the collection vessels.

Dr. Drew thus took the successful laboratory experiments of many blood researchers and transformed their test tube methods into mass production techniques.
When Hitler's much publicized invasion did not materialize, it was decided to terminate the Plasma for Britain Project. Dr. Drew had emerged, however, as a leading authority on mass transfusion and processing methods.
By this time it had become apparent that America probably would be drawn into the war. Military authorities in the United States were concerned with the need for a stockpile of blood reserves if hostilities should begin.
After discussions with medical leaders and the American Red Cross, the government asked the Red Cross to establish a pilot program similar to the Plasma for Britain Project but on a smaller scale. The pilot center was set up through the Red Cross chapter in New York City and began operation in February 1941.

 

[strollingbones]

yea yea....i corrected myself.....

 

[bigrebnc1775]

A point of information. the inventor of the blood transfusion died in NC I believe it was from blood loss because he was denied access to a white hospital. He was black.

Did he die before 1986?

he was not the inventor of blood transfusions but discovered blood types....blood transfusions had been used before but not always with good results as the blood types were mixed

Did he die before 1986?

 

[EriktheRed]

The patient cannot receive a negative credit mark for failure to pay the hospital or any related services, or any third-party agent collecting on their behalf. Such services may not threaten patient with credit reporting to scare them into paying.

Where the hell did you get this??

Edit: Well, looks like it was part of the Wikipedia entry. If true, then some hospitals have been breaking the law.

 

[Againsheila]

A point of information. the inventor of the blood transfusion died in NC I believe it was from blood loss because he was denied access to a white hospital. He was black.

Did he die before 1986?

he was not the inventor of blood transfusions but discovered blood types....blood transfusions had been used before but not always with good results as the blood types were mixed

Charles Drew, discovered plasma. He was the first head of the Red Cross. He quit when they came to him and asked him to separate the white blood from the black blood, saying "blood is blood".

The rumor about him dying because a white hospital refused to admit him is denied by his family.

See what you learn when you home-school your kids?

 

[Gadawg73]

Did he die before 1986?

he was not the inventor of blood transfusions but discovered blood types....blood transfusions had been used before but not always with good results as the blood types were mixed

Charles Drew, discovered plasma. He was the first head of the Red Cross. He quit when they came to him and asked him to separate the white blood from the black blood, saying "blood is blood".

The rumor about him dying because a white hospital refused to admit him is denied by his family.

See what you learn when you home-school your kids?

Where did you find his family to interview them?