Let's Repeal Obamacare and Try Freedom re Healthcare and Most Other Things Too

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    As the year winds down and we'll have a brand new year soon, my New Year's wish is that we have elected a Congress who understands and values the kind of freedom our Founders intended this nation to pioneer and emulate.

    Never before had there been any serious notion that people have God given unalienable rights that should be inviolate. Never before had there been any serious concept that people did not need a king or other government authority to govern them and, when their unalienable rights were secured, they would govern themselves more competently than any governing authority could do.

    Let's start with repealing Obamacare and try freedom in its place. Next lets start reversing other destructive, freedom destroying initiatives that some in our government have endorsed or intend for our 'benefit'. (Mostly their benefit of course.)

    Let's learn again what a government of the people, for the people, and by the people really means.

     
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    But let's say for the sake of argument that such policies are available to everybody.

    Even if you are one who wants government to mandate the system, why wouldn't it make sense to mandate such a low cost catastrophic insurance policy instead of one that pays just about everything?
     
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    No fan of Obamacare .. but let's go back to the status quo is not the wnaswer.

    Let's go back to letting insurance companies drain Americans of their savings for adequate healthcare is not the answer.

    Medicare for All is the answer.
     
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    Why? Medicare is bankrupt trying to insure just a fraction of the population and continues to swell deficits and the national debt. How much would that be exacerbated by insuring everybody in that way and how many would you drive out of the healthcare provider business altogether once you stripped them of most or all of their profits?

    I doubt you even remember the status quo when the free market drove insurance and healthcare costs instead of the government. Things were much MUCH more affordable then, and I believe if you get the government out of it, it will be much more affordable again.
     
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    I'm not sure if freedom to pay high premiums to a private company whose CEO earns a high salary based on high profits (meaning low or no payments to the insured when possible) makes one truly free.
    I wonder why a public option, available to all of our citizens at low cost, is considered a type of tyranny? I simply don't get it.
    Of course I understand greed, and greed is a common attribute of the human species. So, it's clear why some would deny to others healthcare in the name of self interest.
    And that is why I characterize the New Right as members of the Callous Conservative Club.
     
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    if everyone paid the same premium for the same care, would that be a good thing or a bad thing?

    now lets say that premium is $150 per person (for argument sake), is that unreasonable? would that shift the risk of illness from the consumer on to the insurance or health care providers?


    the best idea would be a single payor plan that would cover most all care. now if someone wanted to purchase an extra policy out of pocket for subsequent care, then they would be allow to do so. but as soon as you say single payor, the right goes crazy and called it socialized medicine and rants about a loss of freedom, when in reality the current system is so broke, the free market has pushed many of the middle class out of the affordable care market.
     
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    Name ANY entitlement initiated by the Federal government that has not proved to be more expensive than it was promoted in the beginning? Name any entitlement initiated by the Federal government that has reduced costs without forcing higher costs on others? Name any entitlement initiated by the Federal government that has not proved to be unsustainable without taking more and more resources from the people while reducing their choices, options, and opportunities.
     
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    Bring It On!!!

    We've got THE Pro on our side!!!!


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