A serious question for "conservatives"

[VaYank5150]

I have seen more than a few self described "conservatives" on this board make statements to the effect; "The government has done nothing to help me be successful", or "I made my own money with no help from the government", or "I owe my success to no one but myself". While I think I understand the underlying concept these folks are speaking of, do they/you truly believe that our government has had no hand in creating the landscape that has allowed them/you to be successful and to have the things that you have? Just asking for clarification.

 

[sparky]

One can wiki the term conservative, along with all it's subcatagories, which are rather lengthly

~S~

 

[Mad Scientist]

VaYank thinks that if you drove on a public road to get to an interview for a job that means you must depend on government for your very existence.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[VaYank5150]

VaYank thinks that if you drove on a public road to get to an interview for a job that means you must depend on government for your very existence.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

And some people STILL don't think you are far right wing...

 

[Skull Pilot]

For one those roads were built with my tax dollars, the government did not "give" them to me.

 

[VaYank5150]

For one those roads were built with my tax dollars, the government did not "give" them to me.

I am not referring to the roads!!! You two are taking "landscape" entirely too literally, and as I suspected, dodging my question.

 

[editec]

VaYank thinks that if you drove on a public road to get to an interview for a job that means you must depend on government for your very existence.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

No I don't think that is what he is saying at all.

This technique of amplifying what people actually wrote into some extremely absurd statement they clearly did NOT say is intellectual dishonest.

What doing that really tells us is that the argument that was made cannot be debated by the person who created a straw man to mock.

Mad Scientist, try responding to the post instead of the strawman you've invented.

 

[Intense]

I have seen more than a few self described "conservatives" on this board make statements to the effect; "The government has done nothing to help me be successful", or "I made my own money with no help from the government", or "I owe my success to no one but myself". While I think I understand the underlying concept these folks are speaking of, do they/you truly believe that our government has had no hand in creating the landscape that has allowed them/you to be successful and to have the things that you have? Just asking for clarification.

Conservatism is about Government by the Consent of the Governed, that implies limits to Power and accountability. Think Impartial Referee.

 

[Skull Pilot]

For one those roads were built with my tax dollars, the government did not "give" them to me.

I am not referring to the roads!!! You two are taking "landscape" entirely too literally, and as I suspected, dodging my question.

Let's see you mean the landscape where i have to pay thousands of dollars a year in licensing fees, where I have to pay an increase in unemployment tax even though I laid no one off, where the fucking IRS crawls up my ass almost every year, where one state agency after another tells me I have to comply to their idiotic standards?

That landscape?

 

[ba1614]

For one those roads were built with my tax dollars, the government did not "give" them to me.

I am not referring to the roads!!! You two are taking "landscape" entirely too literally, and as I suspected, dodging my question.

You aren't referring to anything actually said either.

 

[Harry Dresden]

VaYank thinks that if you drove on a public road to get to an interview for a job that means you must depend on government for your very existence.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

And some people STILL don't think you are far right wing...

you think he is FAR Right wing for saying that?......

 

[Mad Scientist]

VaYank thinks that if you drove on a public road to get to an interview for a job that means you must depend on government for your very existence.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

No I don't think that is what he is saying at all.

This technique of amplifying what people actually wrote into some extremely absurd statement they clearly did NOT say is intellectual dishonest.

What doing that really tells us is that the argument that was made cannot be debated by the person who created a straw man to mock.

Mad Scientist, try responding to the post instead of the strawman you've invented.

Not true. That technique is called "Demonstrating absurdity by being absurd".
If you don't like that, then let me ask the OP this:
VaYank, do you think that ObamaCare is part of "creating the landscape that allows me to be successful"?

 

[Mad Scientist]

VaYank thinks that if you drove on a public road to get to an interview for a job that means you must depend on government for your very existence.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

And some people STILL don't think you are far right wing...

you think he is FAR Right wing for saying that?......

I'm sure you know anyone that doesn't agree with the Libs is considered "Far Right" and is labeled a "Nazi". That shit has lost it's punch over the years.

 

[DiamondDave]

I have seen more than a few self described "conservatives" on this board make statements to the effect; "The government has done nothing to help me be successful", or "I made my own money with no help from the government", or "I owe my success to no one but myself". While I think I understand the underlying concept these folks are speaking of, do they/you truly believe that our government has had no hand in creating the landscape that has allowed them/you to be successful and to have the things that you have? Just asking for clarification.

The government has done nothing more for me being successful than it has for someone else, or someone who has fallen on hard times, or someone that is just doing ok.... government is there to set the playing field of equality and equal treatment.... government did not make my decisions, did not hone my judgment, did not make me take my actions...

Government, however has taken from me to give to others in some misguided attempt to equalize outcome for others.... it has not only concentrated on pure equal treatment, like it is supposed to...

Our government has done as much if not more to try and hinder success or hinder those who make their success, as it has to keep the landscape within this country

 

[VaYank5150]

For one those roads were built with my tax dollars, the government did not "give" them to me.

I am not referring to the roads!!! You two are taking "landscape" entirely too literally, and as I suspected, dodging my question.

Let's see you mean the landscape where i have to pay thousands of dollars a year in licensing fees, where I have to pay an increase in unemployment tax even though I laid no one off, where the fucking IRS crawls up my ass almost every year, where one state agency after another tells me I have to comply to their idiotic standards?

That landscape?

That is EXACTLY the landscape I am referring to. While the regulations are a pain in your ass, if you felt you could do better, make more money or be more successful in another country with a different form of government, you would have moved and become so already, yes?

 

[VaYank5150]

VaYank thinks that if you drove on a public road to get to an interview for a job that means you must depend on government for your very existence.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

No I don't think that is what he is saying at all.

This technique of amplifying what people actually wrote into some extremely absurd statement they clearly did NOT say is intellectual dishonest.

What doing that really tells us is that the argument that was made cannot be debated by the person who created a straw man to mock.

Mad Scientist, try responding to the post instead of the strawman you've invented.

Not true. That technique is called "Demonstrating absurdity by being absurd".
If you don't like that, then let me ask the OP this:
VaYank, do you think that ObamaCare is part of "creating the landscape that allows me to be successful"?

IF you are already successful, then "no". Healthcare for those less fortunate than you can only make you more successful if after the implementation, healthier people bring you more business.

 

[VaYank5150]

I have seen more than a few self described "conservatives" on this board make statements to the effect; "The government has done nothing to help me be successful", or "I made my own money with no help from the government", or "I owe my success to no one but myself". While I think I understand the underlying concept these folks are speaking of, do they/you truly believe that our government has had no hand in creating the landscape that has allowed them/you to be successful and to have the things that you have? Just asking for clarification.

The government has done nothing more for me being successful than it has for someone else, or someone who has fallen on hard times, or someone that is just doing ok.... government is there to set the playing field of equality and equal treatment.... government did not make my decisions, did not hone my judgment, did not make me take my actions...

Government, however has taken from me to give to others in some misguided attempt to equalize outcome for others.... it has not only concentrated on pure equal treatment, like it is supposed to...

Our government has done as much if not more to try and hinder success or hinder those who make their success, as it has to keep the landscape within this country

I agree with the entire first paragraph. I was just wanting to make sure that everyone who is supposedly "self made" understands that without our government, as misguided as it may seem at times, your success may have been limited, or even negligible.

 

[Ravi]

I have seen more than a few self described "conservatives" on this board make statements to the effect; "The government has done nothing to help me be successful", or "I made my own money with no help from the government", or "I owe my success to no one but myself". While I think I understand the underlying concept these folks are speaking of, do they/you truly believe that our government has had no hand in creating the landscape that has allowed them/you to be successful and to have the things that you have? Just asking for clarification.

Good question but I doubt you will get a serious answer.

I am unaware of any tax, regulation or rule that has prevented me from being successful in America.

 

[California Girl]

VaYank thinks that if you drove on a public road to get to an interview for a job that means you must depend on government for your very existence.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

And some people STILL don't think you are far right wing...

Are you ever gonna learn to think rationally enough to stop whining about everyone who disagrees with your Messiah as being 'far right'. You make yourself look ridiculous.

 

[DiamondDave]

I have seen more than a few self described "conservatives" on this board make statements to the effect; "The government has done nothing to help me be successful", or "I made my own money with no help from the government", or "I owe my success to no one but myself". While I think I understand the underlying concept these folks are speaking of, do they/you truly believe that our government has had no hand in creating the landscape that has allowed them/you to be successful and to have the things that you have? Just asking for clarification.

The government has done nothing more for me being successful than it has for someone else, or someone who has fallen on hard times, or someone that is just doing ok.... government is there to set the playing field of equality and equal treatment.... government did not make my decisions, did not hone my judgment, did not make me take my actions...

Government, however has taken from me to give to others in some misguided attempt to equalize outcome for others.... it has not only concentrated on pure equal treatment, like it is supposed to...

Our government has done as much if not more to try and hinder success or hinder those who make their success, as it has to keep the landscape within this country

I agree with the entire first paragraph. I was just wanting to make sure that everyone who is supposedly "self made" understands that without our government, as misguided as it may seem at times, your success may have been limited, or even negligible.

No... I do not agree with that at all... without our government interfering in ways they should not be, or trying this stupid subject method of selective equal treatment, or growing to sizes that are ridiculous, I and others could argue that we would be better off... thus government hindering success