A real demonstration of warming from co2

[bobgnote]

bobgnote: "The oyster die-off in the Pacific NW is due to acidification, not the first, rejected guesses, by some wingnut, no doubt, relative to 'drill' or pollution, without the pollution being CO2-related carbonic acid:

Northwest Oyster Die-offs Show Ocean Acidification Has Arrived by Elizabeth Grossman: Yale Environment 360

Study Links Raised Carbon Dioxide Levels to Oyster Die-Offs - NYTimes.com

You get carbonic acid in the CO2-exchange, in water. For instance, in ocean water. Welcome to the real world, where the real football can get going, when the food chain gets broken. Are you any good at football, Mr.Hat? Let's hear about it.

Meanwhile, who cares if AGW is real or not? You are too stupid to figure it all out, and really good information about the cumulative effect of human stewardship is not gathered, since the industrial revolution, just cursory data, allowing for wingnut flappage.

We either re-green, or we don't. Are you smart enough to figure out, if we don't, we get to lose the oceanic food chain, first, and the land food chain, after that?

Are you smart enough, to see how acceleration is a factor, resulting from human failure to act, and refusal to notice which problems are most important, which must be solved first?"

Ohhh, carbonic acid. Scary!

That's right, windy fuck-tard! Up in the Great Lakes, you have mussels, which are proliferating, but they can all die at once, some day. You have Asian carp, and we might have to learn to eat them.

Not just the oysters are in trouble, in the NW. Cod have been down, since the 1990s, they aren't recovering, and the cold, O2-rich up-wellings are responsible for the plankton bloom, on which so many Pacific whales and fish depend. This cold water bears the intensifying carbonic acid better, than warm water, so if the warm water doesn't blow up over the land, the trade current will take acid, right to the plankton, threatening the entire Pacific food chain. Of course, since you live in Obama's fiefdom, you can suck and forget who you are.

While we're on the subject of idiots with avatars, take a look at The WHO, Live at Kilburn, 1977. At the end of the show, Townshend has been playing fills, over an organ sync-track and a guitar sync-track. He throws down his Les Paul, while the guitar tape is still playing, over the P.A. They don't make music like that, anymore, do they!

They never made that music. Roger Daltry left The WHO for awhile, to return, saying he only wanted to play the songs of Pete Townshend. But Townshend was like all the other fakers in the business; he was plagiarizing, from a US surveillance source. So your classic rock, in your signature, was an over-production, from Nixon's time.

You'd make music like that, if you could. But you can't, since you suck! Classic rock is gone, since you don't make, what you consume, and you are too stupid, to change. So dig GaGa, if you have to. It might be good for your mind, which is too boggled by who is what, to think.

Blow it out, punk: 'Ohhh, carbonic acid,scary!' You are too stupid, to get scared by real trouble.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I keep coming back to the same point on the phony Oregon Oyster Ocean Acidification Story: if it were real science and you though carbonic acid was the culprit, wouldn't you control the experiment by limiting changes only to carbonic acid?

They don't do that and they show natural variances in pH from 7.6 to 8.2

AGW...it's just not science

Why do the Warmers and Decline Hiders hate science?

 

[bobgnote]

I keep coming back to the same point on the phony Oregon Oyster Ocean Acidification Story: if it were real science and you though carbonic acid was the culprit, wouldn't you control the experiment by limiting changes only to carbonic acid?

They don't do that and they show natural variances in pH from 7.6 to 8.2

AGW...it's just not science

Why do the Warmers and Decline Hiders hate science?

The CO2 reacts with hydrogen ions in water, to yield H2CO3, so when you limit sodas, all you do is limit belching, when you need to quit thinking with your asshole, and limit methane output, as well.

The human-emitted CO2 AND systemic CO2 need to be co-opted, before their chemical exchange causes more environmental decay and die-off events, Frank.

The Crusades sucked. I sure wish those Muzzies would send over a couple more Ralph Nader-attorneys, to sue all the f-tards out of their lousy ZOG-holes. Salah al-Haddin, yeah!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I keep coming back to the same point on the phony Oregon Oyster Ocean Acidification Story: if it were real science and you though carbonic acid was the culprit, wouldn't you control the experiment by limiting changes only to carbonic acid?

They don't do that and they show natural variances in pH from 7.6 to 8.2

AGW...it's just not science

Why do the Warmers and Decline Hiders hate science?

The CO2 reacts with hydrogen ions in water, to yield H2CO3, so when you limit sodas, all you do is limit belching, when you need to quit thinking with your asshole, and limit methane output, as well.

The human-emitted CO2 AND systemic CO2 need to be co-opted, before their chemical exchange causes more environmental decay and die-off events, Frank.

The Crusades sucked. I sure wish those Muzzies would send over a couple more Ralph Nader-attorneys, to sue all the f-tards out of their lousy ZOG-holes. Salah al-Haddin, yeah!

Are you related to FrancoWTF?

I reread your flailing a few times and I didn't see a response to my, "if it were real science and you though carbonic acid was the culprit, wouldn't you control the experiment by limiting changes only to carbonic acid?"

Is there some reason you don't have an experiment like that?

You can make it like the AGW experiment and add 500,000PPM of CO2 and double the water pressure too....just to be sure you get the preconceived results. And if that don't work, alter the data

 

[bobgnote]

Are you related to FrancoWTF?

I reread your flailing a few times and I didn't see a response to my, "if it were real science and you though carbonic acid was the culprit, wouldn't you control the experiment by limiting changes only to carbonic acid?"

Is there some reason you don't have an experiment like that?

You can make it like the AGW experiment and add 500,000PPM of CO2 and double the water pressure too....just to be sure you get the preconceived results. And if that don't work, alter the data

Shit, dude, you are too stupid, for science! You don't understand basic chem, and you aren't reading the other links, I posted. If you need a carbonic exchange link, in excess of wikipedia, which you didn't read, here they are:

http://icesjms.oxfordjournals.org/content/65/3/414.full

Lab #5: Carbon dioxide: Ocean Acidity

I don't know why you don't pull your head out of your ass, and read. No way exists, to attack the carbonic acid exchange, in the oceans, but to re-green polluted and desertified areas and to rely on biomass, for combustion, and on plants, for food and construction.

So just what experiment would be relevant, to a fuck-tard, with a petro-agenda? Hit search! And while you are at it, your stupid quote keeps taking up space, here, without you reading Robert Stinnett's Day of Deceit, all about Stinnett's FIA action, to discover how FDR baited the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor, to get the US into WWII.

FDR likely moved the Pacific Fleet, to Pearl, to get the Japanese to attack, since they were occupied with Zhukov in Manchuria, in an undeclared war. But to get resources, from Russia, they would have had to co-operate with known idiot Adolph, who refused to invade Palestine, to pincer the Brits, at Suez, so the Wehrmacht could win in the West.

FDR conspired with WestPAC General George Marshall (heard of the plan?), to suppress all intel, into Pearl, starting with British warnings, Navy possession, of decoded Japanese plans and operations evidence, right through the radar contact before the attack and the sinking of a midget sub, by the USS Ward, which failed to issue an alert, at Pearl Harbor.

FDR let Admiral Hub Kimmel and General Short get court-martialed. Also, he signed the Hemp Stamp Tax Act of 1938, when it passed in 15 minutes, but it out-lived FDR, until 1972, when it was declared unconstitutional, and Nixon then founded the DEA.

Meanwhile, get to know your own shit, since you don't know it, well, pull your head out of your fat ass, and read another book, since you don't know anything, interesting. You are a wing-nut, flapping. And clean up that fat-ass quote of yours. You and FDR suck.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Are you related to FrancoWTF?

I reread your flailing a few times and I didn't see a response to my, "if it were real science and you though carbonic acid was the culprit, wouldn't you control the experiment by limiting changes only to carbonic acid?"

Is there some reason you don't have an experiment like that?

You can make it like the AGW experiment and add 500,000PPM of CO2 and double the water pressure too....just to be sure you get the preconceived results. And if that don't work, alter the data

Shit, dude, you are too stupid, for science! You don't understand basic chem, and you aren't reading the other links, I posted. If you need a carbonic exchange link, in excess of wikipedia, which you didn't read, here they are:

Impacts of ocean acidification on marine fauna and ecosystem processes

Lab #5: Carbon dioxide: Ocean Acidity

I don't know why you don't pull your head out of your ass, and read. No way exists, to attack the carbonic acid exchange, in the oceans, but to re-green polluted and desertified areas and to rely on biomass, for combustion, and on plants, for food and construction.

So just what experiment would be relevant, to a fuck-tard, with a petro-agenda? Hit search! And while you are at it, your stupid quote keeps taking up space, here, without you reading Robert Stinnett's Day of Deceit, all about Stinnett's FIA action, to discover how FDR baited the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor, to get the US into WWII.

FDR likely moved the Pacific Fleet, to Pearl, to get the Japanese to attack, since they were occupied with Zhukov in Manchuria, in an undeclared war. But to get resources, from Russia, they would have had to co-operate with known idiot Adolph, who refused to invade Palestine, to pincer the Brits, at Suez, so the Wehrmacht could win in the West.

FDR conspired with WestPAC General George Marshall (heard of the plan?), to suppress all intel, into Pearl, starting with British warnings, Navy possession, of decoded Japanese plans and operations evidence, right through the radar contact before the attack and the sinking of a midget sub, by the USS Ward, which failed to issue an alert, at Pearl Harbor.

FDR let Admiral Hub Kimmel and General Short get court-martialed. Also, he signed the Hemp Stamp Tax Act of 1938, when it passed in 15 minutes, but it out-lived FDR, until 1972, when it was declared unconstitutional, and Nixon then founded the DEA.

Meanwhile, get to know your own shit, since you don't know it, well, pull your head out of your fat ass, and read another book, since you don't know anything, interesting. You are a wing-nut, flapping. And clean up that fat-ass quote of yours. You and FDR suck.

That you read my sig ling and come away with the idea that I'm a fan of FDR can only mean English is not your first language.

I printed out the report and have to read it later...from a glance it seems to say that there's no such thing as the "Feedback Loop"

 

[daveman]

No WONDER the oceans are rising!

No, they're not. Obama stopped that shit.

When did he stomp out dihydrogen monoxide?

Give the EPA a minute. They'll regulate it out of existence.

 

[daveman]

I keep coming back to the same point on the phony Oregon Oyster Ocean Acidification Story: if it were real science and you though carbonic acid was the culprit, wouldn't you control the experiment by limiting changes only to carbonic acid?

They don't do that and they show natural variances in pH from 7.6 to 8.2

AGW...it's just not science

Why do the Warmers and Decline Hiders hate science?

The CO2 reacts with hydrogen ions in water, to yield H2CO3, so when you limit sodas, all you do is limit belching, when you need to quit thinking with your asshole, and limit methane output, as well.

The human-emitted CO2 AND systemic CO2 need to be co-opted, before their chemical exchange causes more environmental decay and die-off events, Frank.

The Crusades sucked. I sure wish those Muzzies would send over a couple more Ralph Nader-attorneys, to sue all the f-tards out of their lousy ZOG-holes. Salah al-Haddin, yeah!

Have you had a CAT scan recently? Might be a good idea.

 

[daveman]

Are you related to FrancoWTF?

I reread your flailing a few times and I didn't see a response to my, "if it were real science and you though carbonic acid was the culprit, wouldn't you control the experiment by limiting changes only to carbonic acid?"

Is there some reason you don't have an experiment like that?

You can make it like the AGW experiment and add 500,000PPM of CO2 and double the water pressure too....just to be sure you get the preconceived results. And if that don't work, alter the data

Shit, dude, you are too stupid, for science! You don't understand basic chem, and you aren't reading the other links, I posted. If you need a carbonic exchange link, in excess of wikipedia, which you didn't read, here they are:

Impacts of ocean acidification on marine fauna and ecosystem processes

Lab #5: Carbon dioxide: Ocean Acidity

I don't know why you don't pull your head out of your ass, and read. No way exists, to attack the carbonic acid exchange, in the oceans, but to re-green polluted and desertified areas and to rely on biomass, for combustion, and on plants, for food and construction.

So just what experiment would be relevant, to a fuck-tard, with a petro-agenda? Hit search! And while you are at it, your stupid quote keeps taking up space, here, without you reading Robert Stinnett's Day of Deceit, all about Stinnett's FIA action, to discover how FDR baited the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor, to get the US into WWII.

FDR likely moved the Pacific Fleet, to Pearl, to get the Japanese to attack, since they were occupied with Zhukov in Manchuria, in an undeclared war. But to get resources, from Russia, they would have had to co-operate with known idiot Adolph, who refused to invade Palestine, to pincer the Brits, at Suez, so the Wehrmacht could win in the West.

FDR conspired with WestPAC General George Marshall (heard of the plan?), to suppress all intel, into Pearl, starting with British warnings, Navy possession, of decoded Japanese plans and operations evidence, right through the radar contact before the attack and the sinking of a midget sub, by the USS Ward, which failed to issue an alert, at Pearl Harbor.

FDR let Admiral Hub Kimmel and General Short get court-martialed. Also, he signed the Hemp Stamp Tax Act of 1938, when it passed in 15 minutes, but it out-lived FDR, until 1972, when it was declared unconstitutional, and Nixon then founded the DEA.

Meanwhile, get to know your own shit, since you don't know it, well, pull your head out of your fat ass, and read another book, since you don't know anything, interesting. You are a wing-nut, flapping. And clean up that fat-ass quote of yours. You and FDR suck.

Do you get paid by the comma?

 

[bobgnote]

That you read my sig ling and come away with the idea that I'm a fan of FDR can only mean English is not your first language.

I printed out the report and have to read it later...from a glance it seems to say that there's no such thing as the "Feedback Loop"

What I want you to do is put something intelligent, in your stupid signature box, about FDR, which is appropriate. But you are too stupid, to understand why I was telling you about what FDR did. You indicate FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. I told you, FDR wanted it to happen, and he helped make it happen. But you don't read well. What I wrote was in English, DD.

What is happening is aqueous CO2 exchanges, between carbonic acid, in the water, and between gaseous CO2, in the atmosphere. The acid AND the dissolved CO2 AND the atmospheric CO2 are all increasing, and since they are, something needs to be done.

By somebody SMART. That leaves you out, of the loop. Your feedback is pure stupidity.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I keep coming back to the same point on the phony Oregon Oyster Ocean Acidification Story: if it were real science and you though carbonic acid was the culprit, wouldn't you control the experiment by limiting changes only to carbonic acid?

They don't do that and they show natural variances in pH from 7.6 to 8.2

AGW...it's just not science

Why do the Warmers and Decline Hiders hate science?

The CO2 reacts with hydrogen ions in water, to yield H2CO3, so when you limit sodas, all you do is limit belching, when you need to quit thinking with your asshole, and limit methane output, as well.

The human-emitted CO2 AND systemic CO2 need to be co-opted, before their chemical exchange causes more environmental decay and die-off events, Frank.

The Crusades sucked. I sure wish those Muzzies would send over a couple more Ralph Nader-attorneys, to sue all the f-tards out of their lousy ZOG-holes. Salah al-Haddin, yeah!

The CO2 reacts with hydrogen ions in water, to yield H2CO3

That's awful! Any buffers around? How about calcium?
Would that help?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That you read my sig ling and come away with the idea that I'm a fan of FDR can only mean English is not your first language.

I printed out the report and have to read it later...from a glance it seems to say that there's no such thing as the "Feedback Loop"

What I want you to do is put something intelligent, in your stupid signature box, about FDR, which is appropriate. But you are too stupid, to understand why I was telling you about what FDR did. You indicate FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. I told you, FDR wanted it to happen, and he helped make it happen. But you don't read well. What I wrote was in English, DD.

What is happening is aqueous CO2 exchanges, between carbonic acid, in the water, and between gaseous CO2, in the atmosphere. The acid AND the dissolved CO2 AND the atmospheric CO2 are all increasing, and since they are, something needs to be done.

By somebody SMART. That leaves you out, of the loop. Your feedback is pure stupidity.

The acid AND the dissolved CO2 AND the atmospheric CO2 are all increasing, and since they are, something needs to be done.

So when they reach the levels we enjoyed back when the dinosaurs ruled the Earth, will all sea life be dissolved?

 

[flacaltenn]

That you read my sig ling and come away with the idea that I'm a fan of FDR can only mean English is not your first language.

I printed out the report and have to read it later...from a glance it seems to say that there's no such thing as the "Feedback Loop"

What I want you to do is put something intelligent, in your stupid signature box, about FDR, which is appropriate. But you are too stupid, to understand why I was telling you about what FDR did. You indicate FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. I told you, FDR wanted it to happen, and he helped make it happen. But you don't read well. What I wrote was in English, DD.

What is happening is aqueous CO2 exchanges, between carbonic acid, in the water, and between gaseous CO2, in the atmosphere. The acid AND the dissolved CO2 AND the atmospheric CO2 are all increasing, and since they are, something needs to be done.

By somebody SMART. That leaves you out, of the loop. Your feedback is pure stupidity.

The acid AND the dissolved CO2 AND the atmospheric CO2 are all increasing, and since they are, something needs to be done.

So when they reach the levels we enjoyed back when the dinosaurs ruled the Earth, will all sea life be dissolved?

Actually like species survival adaptation to warming, the adaptation in the ocean to acidification will primarily (most likely) depend on RATE rather than actual magnitude of change. Our babbling, tokking eco-naut dude has a point.. (just one point -- maybe 1.5 if you believe the ravings about Peter Townshend and The Who) That point is that acidification is the NEXT straw candidate to be pushed on the AGW table.

And I do personally believe, that THIS one is better of all the disaster arguments (killer storms, heat stroke, malaria, flooding and 7 plagues on the House of Egypt) that they have tried to peddle.

Some other problems with the latest scary AGW theory besides the buffering that you pointed out..

1) Stream water run-off and clean rain precip have much lower PH than the ocean today. So how much does THAT contribute? Where does all that ACIDIC melting ice go eh?

2) If you remember "acid rain" -- we found that NOx and SOx created acids in the atmosphere dissassociated more rapidly than carbonic acid and WERE IDENTIFIED as the main cause of acid rain even tho in TONNAGE CO2 far outweighed them..

 

[flacaltenn]

I keep coming back to the same point on the phony Oregon Oyster Ocean Acidification Story: if it were real science and you though carbonic acid was the culprit, wouldn't you control the experiment by limiting changes only to carbonic acid?

They don't do that and they show natural variances in pH from 7.6 to 8.2

AGW...it's just not science

Why do the Warmers and Decline Hiders hate science?

The CO2 reacts with hydrogen ions in water, to yield H2CO3, so when you limit sodas, all you do is limit belching, when you need to quit thinking with your asshole, and limit methane output, as well.

The human-emitted CO2 AND systemic CO2 need to be co-opted, before their chemical exchange causes more environmental decay and die-off events, Frank.

The Crusades sucked. I sure wish those Muzzies would send over a couple more Ralph Nader-attorneys, to sue all the f-tards out of their lousy ZOG-holes. Salah al-Haddin, yeah!

The CO2 reacts with hydrogen ions in water, to yield H2CO3

That's awful! Any buffers around? How about calcium?
Would that help?

Tumm - te - Tumm - Tumms.. A couple cargo ships full. Or a big cuisinart to mix the acidified surface into the depths..

 

[bobgnote]

T-tard and flathead, quote in quote in quote, lol, blah, blah, fart.

Jack Daniels and doughnuts, eat, eat, slosh! Time for homework, assholes:

The latest study, released in March 2012, was done by a team of researchers from five countries eho reviewed hundreds of paleoceanographic studies, and found evidence for only one period in the last 300 million years when the oceans changed even remotely as fast as today: the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, some 56 million years ago. During the PETM over a period of about 5000 years there was a surge of carbon dioxide which doubled atmospheric concentrations that resulted in global average temperatures surging up by about 6C.

We have already experienced atmospheric CO2 rising about 30 percent, to 393 parts per million in the last 100 years, with ocean pH falling by 0.1 unit, to 8.1. This rate of acidification is 10 times faster than during the PETM event 56 million years ago according to lead author Bärbel Hönisch. Predictions by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) show that pH may fall another 0.3 units to 7.8 by the end of the century which could see a marine mass extinction event similar to those observed during the PETM.

We are already starting to see the effects of ocean acidification as it impacts on fisheries and ecosystems.

In a recent study, scientists from Stony Brook University found that the larvae of bay scallops and hard clams grow best at pre-industrial pH levels, while their shells corrode at the levels projected for 2100. See The effects of elevated carbon dioxide concentrations on the metamorphosis, size, and survival of larval hard clams (Mercenaria mercenaria), bay scallops (Argopecten irradians), and Eastern oysters (Crassostrea virginica) (abstract | media release)
Off the U.S. Pacific Northwest, the death of oyster larvae has recently been linked to the upwelling of acidic water there. See Yale 360 November 2011 article - Northwest Oyster Die-offs Show Ocean Acidification Has Arrived
In a 2011 study of coral reefs off Papua New Guinea, scientists writing in the journal Nature Climate Change found that when pH dropped to 7.8, reef diversity declined by as much as 40 percent. The study concluded "Reef development ceased below pH 7.7. Our empirical data from this unique field setting confirm model predictions that ocean acidification, together with temperature stress, will probably lead to severely reduced diversity, structural complexity and resilience of Indo-Pacific coral reefs within this century." See Losers and winners in coral reefs acclimatized to elevated carbon dioxide concentrations (abstract)
Studies with clownfish larvae raised in the lab show that they lose their ability to sniff out predators and find their way home when pH drops below 7.8. See Ocean acidification impairs olfactory discrimination and homing ability of a marine fish (abstract)
Several other studies show that ocean acidification may be fatal to fish at various stages of their life cycle. See Skeptical Science 22 December 2011 article Ocean Acidification Is Fatal To Fish
Climate related changes in oceans may also increase jellyfish frequency with impacts on fisheries. See Climate-related increases in jellyfish frequency suggest a more gelatinous future for the North Sea (Climate-related increases in jellyfish frequency suggest a more gelatinous future for the North Sea) and Evidence for impacts by jellyfish on North Sea herring recruitment (Evidence for impacts by jellyfish on North Sea herring recruitment)
Ocean acidification impact on fisheries

Ocean acidification will impact the economic importance of fisheries, with the people most affected being island and developing countries reliant on subsistence fisheries for protein. A 2010 United Nations Environment Program report on Environmental Consequences of Ocean Acidification: a threat to Food Security (PDF) estimates that 3 billion people use fish protein in their diet, with one billion people dependent on subsistence fishing as a primary food source.

"The contribution of marine protein to global food security is substantial. Fish, including shellfish, contribute 15% of animal protein for three billion people worldwide. A further one billion people rely on fisheries for their primary source of protein. Fish are even more important in countries where other protein sources decline seasonally." says the report.

Achim Steiner, UN Under-Secretary General and UNEP Executive Director, said in a 2010 media release: "Ocean acidification is yet another red flag being raised, carrying planetary health warnings about the uncontrolled growth in greenhouse gas emissions. It is a new and emerging piece in the scientific jigsaw puzzle, but one that is triggering rising concern".

"Whether ocean acidification on its own proves to be a major or a minor challenge to the marine environment and its food chain is to date unknown. But the phenomenon comes against a backdrop of already stressed seas and oceans as a result of over-fishing to other forms of environmental degradation. Thus the public might quite rightly ask how many red flags do governments need to see before the message to act gets through," he said at the launch of the report in Cancun in 2010.

Many commercial fishermen and aquaculture farmers are already aware of ocean acidification and the threat to their livelihoods and culture. It just requires Government's to impose the necessary regulations to limit and reduce carbon emissions. The National Fisheries Conservation Centre (NFCC) and Sustainable Fisheries Partnership have produced a series of informative videos which highlights the threat to commercial fisheries.

Resolving the problem of ocean acidification will not be easy, and may prove insurmountable in the timeframe we have available for taking mitigation action in reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

"It's not a problem that can be quickly reversed," said Christopher Langdon, a biological oceanographer at the University of Miami who co-authored the study on Papua New Guinea reefs. "Once a species goes extinct it's gone forever. We're playing a very dangerous game."

By the end of this century with business as usual we are likely to hit a similar temperature of 6C of warming similar to that experienced during the PETM event 56 million years ago. We still have global carbon emissions increasing with a Record increase in Greenhouse gas emissions for 2010. Scientists such as James Hansen, Ken Caldeira and Eelco Rohling at December 2011 American Geophysical Union meeting warned about climate sensitivity and that the paleoclimate record points towards potential rapid climate change.

Unless we start mitigation action very soon what was done naturally in 5000 years we are doing in about 100 years. Scientists and economists have warned that Carbon Emissions need to peak this decade to meet a 2 °C temperature goal. Even the conservative International Energy Agency (IEA) has warned Bold change of direction needed globally to meet climate commitments. Yet the Durban mandate from last year proposes no significant international action until at least 2020. Read climate policy analyst Mark Lynas description of the outcome of Durban - a major step forward but not for ten years.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

T-tard and flathead, quote in quote in quote, lol, blah, blah, fart.

Jack Daniels and doughnuts, eat, eat, slosh! Time for homework, assholes:

The latest study, released in March 2012, was done by a team of researchers from five countries eho reviewed hundreds of paleoceanographic studies, and found evidence for only one period in the last 300 million years when the oceans changed even remotely as fast as today: the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, some 56 million years ago. During the PETM over a period of about 5000 years there was a surge of carbon dioxide which doubled atmospheric concentrations that resulted in global average temperatures surging up by about 6C.

We have already experienced atmospheric CO2 rising about 30 percent, to 393 parts per million in the last 100 years, with ocean pH falling by 0.1 unit, to 8.1. This rate of acidification is 10 times faster than during the PETM event 56 million years ago according to lead author Bärbel Hönisch. Predictions by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) show that pH may fall another 0.3 units to 7.8 by the end of the century which could see a marine mass extinction event similar to those observed during the PETM.

We are already starting to see the effects of ocean acidification as it impacts on fisheries and ecosystems.

In a recent study, scientists from Stony Brook University found that the larvae of bay scallops and hard clams grow best at pre-industrial pH levels, while their shells corrode at the levels projected for 2100. See The effects of elevated carbon dioxide concentrations on the metamorphosis, size, and survival of larval hard clams (Mercenaria mercenaria), bay scallops (Argopecten irradians), and Eastern oysters (Crassostrea virginica) (abstract | media release)
Off the U.S. Pacific Northwest, the death of oyster larvae has recently been linked to the upwelling of acidic water there. See Yale 360 November 2011 article - Northwest Oyster Die-offs Show Ocean Acidification Has Arrived
In a 2011 study of coral reefs off Papua New Guinea, scientists writing in the journal Nature Climate Change found that when pH dropped to 7.8, reef diversity declined by as much as 40 percent. The study concluded "Reef development ceased below pH 7.7. Our empirical data from this unique field setting confirm model predictions that ocean acidification, together with temperature stress, will probably lead to severely reduced diversity, structural complexity and resilience of Indo-Pacific coral reefs within this century." See Losers and winners in coral reefs acclimatized to elevated carbon dioxide concentrations (abstract)
Studies with clownfish larvae raised in the lab show that they lose their ability to sniff out predators and find their way home when pH drops below 7.8. See Ocean acidification impairs olfactory discrimination and homing ability of a marine fish (abstract)
Several other studies show that ocean acidification may be fatal to fish at various stages of their life cycle. See Skeptical Science 22 December 2011 article Ocean Acidification Is Fatal To Fish
Climate related changes in oceans may also increase jellyfish frequency with impacts on fisheries. See Climate-related increases in jellyfish frequency suggest a more gelatinous future for the North Sea (Climate-related increases in jellyfish frequency suggest a more gelatinous future for the North Sea) and Evidence for impacts by jellyfish on North Sea herring recruitment (Evidence for impacts by jellyfish on North Sea herring recruitment)
Ocean acidification impact on fisheries

Ocean acidification will impact the economic importance of fisheries, with the people most affected being island and developing countries reliant on subsistence fisheries for protein. A 2010 United Nations Environment Program report on Environmental Consequences of Ocean Acidification: a threat to Food Security (PDF) estimates that 3 billion people use fish protein in their diet, with one billion people dependent on subsistence fishing as a primary food source.

"The contribution of marine protein to global food security is substantial. Fish, including shellfish, contribute 15% of animal protein for three billion people worldwide. A further one billion people rely on fisheries for their primary source of protein. Fish are even more important in countries where other protein sources decline seasonally." says the report.

Achim Steiner, UN Under-Secretary General and UNEP Executive Director, said in a 2010 media release: "Ocean acidification is yet another red flag being raised, carrying planetary health warnings about the uncontrolled growth in greenhouse gas emissions. It is a new and emerging piece in the scientific jigsaw puzzle, but one that is triggering rising concern".

"Whether ocean acidification on its own proves to be a major or a minor challenge to the marine environment and its food chain is to date unknown. But the phenomenon comes against a backdrop of already stressed seas and oceans as a result of over-fishing to other forms of environmental degradation. Thus the public might quite rightly ask how many red flags do governments need to see before the message to act gets through," he said at the launch of the report in Cancun in 2010.

Many commercial fishermen and aquaculture farmers are already aware of ocean acidification and the threat to their livelihoods and culture. It just requires Government's to impose the necessary regulations to limit and reduce carbon emissions. The National Fisheries Conservation Centre (NFCC) and Sustainable Fisheries Partnership have produced a series of informative videos which highlights the threat to commercial fisheries.

Resolving the problem of ocean acidification will not be easy, and may prove insurmountable in the timeframe we have available for taking mitigation action in reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

"It's not a problem that can be quickly reversed," said Christopher Langdon, a biological oceanographer at the University of Miami who co-authored the study on Papua New Guinea reefs. "Once a species goes extinct it's gone forever. We're playing a very dangerous game."

By the end of this century with business as usual we are likely to hit a similar temperature of 6C of warming similar to that experienced during the PETM event 56 million years ago. We still have global carbon emissions increasing with a Record increase in Greenhouse gas emissions for 2010. Scientists such as James Hansen, Ken Caldeira and Eelco Rohling at December 2011 American Geophysical Union meeting warned about climate sensitivity and that the paleoclimate record points towards potential rapid climate change.

Unless we start mitigation action very soon what was done naturally in 5000 years we are doing in about 100 years. Scientists and economists have warned that Carbon Emissions need to peak this decade to meet a 2 °C temperature goal. Even the conservative International Energy Agency (IEA) has warned Bold change of direction needed globally to meet climate commitments. Yet the Durban mandate from last year proposes no significant international action until at least 2020. Read climate policy analyst Mark Lynas description of the outcome of Durban - a major step forward but not for ten years.

The only solution is hemp, dude.

 

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The only solution is hemp, dude.

Without hitting reply with quote, or while editing the quote, you need to also include switchgrass and genetically engineered plants.

The g.e. plants are needed, to re-green desertified lands and polluted lands and seas. We re-green damaged lands, or we suffer MASS EXTINCTION EVENT 6. That was 'shouting,' but hey. If you don't get all the way to M.E.E.6, we just went through all that quote-spam, without finding a direction.

Yeah, 'hemp.' That's a start. It eats CO2, and it cuts prison industry, which has a carbon footprint, so hemp has swing-value, to re-greening.

And that story I posted about The WHO is the truth, note reference to Kilburn, ignored like he ignores any reference, by flathead. What you know now is how many other groups were duping, many syncing: spelled, 'AC-ZZ.' So when they cannot cover the style, of music they duped, note-for-note, they fade. Play well, if you dare. The NSA is listening, and they feed right to Vampires, inc., international.

If you could play anything on guitar, expect it to turn up, with some band, from a NATO country. This is as reliable, as the US exporting the drug war, to keep hemp out of energy. There is no escape, from punks in both government and business. Classic rock will stay the way it is, on its own station, with no new entries, since it was stolen during a dupe-orgy, which is unlikely to repeat. Don't pay for concerts or downloads.

Don't expect more Who, Stones, or Halen, which has an advantage, since Hagar is actually a better guitarist than Van Halen. Hager had a long dupe career as sideman and soloist, before Roth got cold feet, like Daltry, Rose, Rotten, and anybody else singing, for a fake guitarist, which opens things up for MTV's Sucker Free.

Sucker Free TV just has beat tracks, with gangstas. So no government cheese gets in there, unless Beasties and LL Cool J are on the sho.

Aerosmith and AC-DC are still active, after issuing a lot of bogus tracks, but the music biz went through a long period, of putting up fakers and P.A. tapes. When some guy plays a good tune, in his house, the NSA finds out, and tons of corporations overproduce. They put out loads of post-1971 fake studio and live recordings, so now look at all the girls, or there's nobody playing.