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That was cute, Gunny, but for someone who speaks with a monolithic voice, your opinion carries no weight.
What does "Hope and Change" base itself on? The fear of four more years of the same.
Barrack Obama is not going to change crap, regardless his rhetoric. He most assuredly is not going to change the political divisiveness in this nation. Conservatives are not going to embrace liberal ideology.
If he's elected, the coolest thing will be watching to lefties start falling all over each other trying to adjust from offensive mode to defensive. Paybacks are a bitch, and y'all got 8 years coming to you.
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That's a given, there, however, do you think that some and i'm not saying all, are doing so now because it's the cool thing to do? I'm retired Military and I have to tell you it breaks my heart to see people stand in front of a Military Recruiters office and block the path and then call those brave men and women all sorts of vile trash. I would just rather they say nothing at all , it is not the soidier, sailor , or airmen that takes the country to war , it is they make the sacrifices, family, hardships, and some with their very lives. So this what I like to call protest culture, seems to have gotten to the point where, it's just i'm going to protest this or that , rather than try and change it. Did they ever stop to think, "wait , maybe if I signed up I can make a difference".Again I would never stop anyone from exercising their rights, but as I have said, a cause without reason is , a lost cause.
I guess there might be some people thecause it's the "cool" thing to do, but it seems like staging any significant protest or actually being active in public dissent is quite a time-absorbing activity, and most people who go through the trouble of doing it do it because they really believe it. Kinda like how I doubt most people in a military would be in it because it's "the cool thing to do", you know? I wouldn't see the point in personally attacking soldiers, either, because you're right- the soldier doesn't set policy. The problem there is misdirection; protestors should protest against the policy makers who are the root of the percieved problem. I do disagree with the "protest culture, seems to have gotten to the point where, it's just i'm going to protest this or that , rather than try and change it". I don't really see how protesting ISN'T a fundamental way to enact change, especially considering that the only time people have a voice is once every four years. How else but through public dissent can change be enacted in policy? It's kind of unfair to say that it's a cause without reason though, because there must be a reason for the fact that there is dissent... On any issue, if there are people protesting (whether it be pro-lifers or anti-war...ers), then there must be some reason for the discontent, and it is legimitate for it to be heard so long as there is no violence involved.
Hope is the basis for wanting something or having faith in something. Change is when things are made different (which can be for good or worse).
Hope and Change together is just the basis for wanting things to be different. It's not a fear of four more years of the same, it's wanting things to be DIFFERENT. Someone can want change without fearing what is currently happening.
You can feel how you like about Barack Obama. Many Conservatives have already embraced his views and are going to vote for him.
I hope he is elected. You say Payback is a bitch, I say the improvement of this country if Barack Obama is elected for 4-8 years will be the best thing to happen to this country since the 90's.
If anyone fears anything here, it's the corporate suits in charge. They are losing their drinking buddy of a President in Bush who gave no bid contracts to oil companies, weapon contracters, and of course even tried to sell our Port security to a foreign company.
If Change and Hope is nothing, if Barack Obama is nothing then why are all these right-wingers coming out of the woodwork trying to take him down a peg? Why are they trying to paint him as a racist, a sexist, or anything they can get their hands on?
I'll tell you why, because they're scared. Because they're scared change is coming. Just like when Kennedy was changing things and doing things differently when he was in office.
Don't you notice the people who know when change is needed in their country, and step up risking their lives to help get it. These men gave the ultimate sacrifice along with our men and women who have bravely served this country (the ones in the US case), so their lost lives would not be in vain.
Martin Luther King Jr, Robert F Kennedy, John F Kennedy, Abraham Lincoln, Ghandi, and many others.
Barack Obama is now taking that same risk. He is the first African American to have gained any major Political Party's nomination (though he is half-white) but the fact he is part black has plenty of people pissed. He's risking his life by running for this office, even you know that Gunny.
As Bob Dylan once wrote, "These times are a changing" and for the first time in a long time, The people who are against this nation being united, the people who want to see this nation crumble, the ones who will lose millions if not billions if Barack Obama is elected and changes things for the better because they will no longer be able to rob this country blind,etc; all these people are scared.
We know the battle ahead will be long, but always remember that no matter what obstacles stand in our way, nothing can stand in the way of the power of millions of voices calling for change.
--Barack Obama
The question is, do you want to be with change for the better or for the same old Politics?
I want change, I want this country to go back to the way it use to be. Respected by the rest of the world, a country in which the American Dream wasn't a myth or dying because the amount of wages made between the middle and upper class was over 100x, a country where we had freedoms and rights, and of course a administration we could believe in.
You may not want to believe, and that's your choice. However, when your done playing the same old Politics that are being played. The rest of us will be waiting.
That goes for everyone here who wants to question others Patriotism, to question others religion beliefs, to turn this election into a mud slinging contest. Like Barack Obama, I'll continue to take the high road.
"And over the next hundred days, in every word we say, and every life we touch, we will be fighting for the future of America" Walter Mondale
Four years ago, many of you voted for Mr. Reagan because he promised you'd be better off. And today, the rich are better off. But working Americans are worse off, and the middle class is standing on a trap door. " Walter Mondale 1984 DNC
(*source CNN)
"Nineteen seventy-six will not be a year of politics as usual. It can be a year of inspiration and hope, and it will be a year of concern, of quiet and sober reassessment of our nations character and purpose -- a year when voters have already confounded the experts. And I guarantee you that it will be the year when we give the government of this country back to the people of this country. " Jimmy Carter DNC 1976 (*source CNN)
"Tonight 10 million of our fellow Americans are out of work, tens of millions more work harder for lower pay. The incumbent President says that unemployment always goes up a little before a recovery begins, but unemployment only has to go up by one more person before a real recovery can begin. (Applause) And Mr. President, you are that man." Bill Clinton 1992 DNC (*source CNN)
"Tonight, more Americans are out of work and more are working harder for less. More of you have lost your homes and even more are watching your home values plummet. More of you have cars you can't afford to drive, credit card bills you can't afford to pay, and tuition that's beyond your reach." Barack Obama 2008 DNC (*source DNC)
Robert, I thought I might put this here for everyone, to give you an idea of using scare tactics is not new, and is not just the sole property of the Republican party. You see the pattern? wealthy bad, former president bad, your economy bad, and the sky is falling. and we are here to fix it. See what I mean.
Hope is the basis for wanting something or having faith in something. Change is when things are made different (which can be for good or worse).
Hope and Change together is just the basis for wanting things to be different. It's not a fear of four more years of the same, it's wanting things to be DIFFERENT. Someone can want change without fearing what is currently happening.
You can feel how you like about Barack Obama. Many Conservatives have already embraced his views and are going to vote for him.
I hope he is elected. You say Payback is a bitch, I say the improvement of this country if Barack Obama is elected for 4-8 years will be the best thing to happen to this country since the 90's.
If anyone fears anything here, it's the corporate suits in charge. They are losing their drinking buddy of a President in Bush who gave no bid contracts to oil companies, weapon contracters, and of course even tried to sell our Port security to a foreign company.
If Change and Hope is nothing, if Barack Obama is nothing then why are all these right-wingers coming out of the woodwork trying to take him down a peg? Why are they trying to paint him as a racist, a sexist, or anything they can get their hands on?
I'll tell you why, because they're scared. Because they're scared change is coming. Just like when Kennedy was changing things and doing things differently when he was in office.
Don't you notice the people who know when change is needed in their country, and step up risking their lives to help get it. These men gave the ultimate sacrifice along with our men and women who have bravely served this country (the ones in the US case), so their lost lives would not be in vain.
Martin Luther King Jr, Robert F Kennedy, John F Kennedy, Abraham Lincoln, Ghandi, and many others.
Barack Obama is now taking that same risk. He is the first African American to have gained any major Political Party's nomination (though he is half-white) but the fact he is part black has plenty of people pissed. He's risking his life by running for this office, even you know that Gunny.
As Bob Dylan once wrote, "These times are a changing" and for the first time in a long time, The people who are against this nation being united, the people who want to see this nation crumble, the ones who will lose millions if not billions if Barack Obama is elected and changes things for the better because they will no longer be able to rob this country blind,etc; all these people are scared.
We know the battle ahead will be long, but always remember that no matter what obstacles stand in our way, nothing can stand in the way of the power of millions of voices calling for change.
--Barack Obama
The question is, do you want to be with change for the better or for the same old Politics?
I want change, I want this country to go back to the way it use to be. Respected by the rest of the world, a country in which the American Dream wasn't a myth or dying because the amount of wages made between the middle and upper class was over 100x, a country where we had freedoms and rights, and of course a administration we could believe in.
You may not want to believe, and that's your choice. However, when your done playing the same old Politics that are being played. The rest of us will be waiting.
That goes for everyone here who wants to question others Patriotism, to question others religion beliefs, to turn this election into a mud slinging contest. Like Barack Obama, I'll continue to take the high road.
Depends on what your defnition of "many" is because that's just wishful thinking on your part. That's where "hope" comes into play. You "hope" conservatives will vote for Obama.
Anyone embracing Obama's views is in fact NOT conservative.
What I notice is another politician is promising something he can't deliver. It is merely your opinion that any of of his promises would be changes for the better.
When exactly is it you want this country to go back to? The Cold War? In reality, when the Cold War ended, so did respect for the US by "the world." That is one of the most overyplayed and misused claims of them all.
The world doesn't like us. They just keep their mouthes shut and take what we're giving away so long as we ask nothing in return or even voice an opinion.
You sure do paint with a wide brush. "Many" conservatives. "The rest of us" will be waiting. Waiting to get your hopes crushed is all.
You're right, it's my choice whether or not I want to believe yet another politician delivering the same old promise and NOT delivering the goods. I choose not to, thanks.
Navy, have you studied history? All those statements (except Jimmy Carter's perhaps) could be said they are true for the times. Especially Barack Obama's.
I've seen my neighborhood, countless homes are said for sale and are being lost. Family houses that worth near $300,000 not even 8 years ago are worth $180,000 now. Cars and their insurance are becoming unaffordable, you don't see as many teenagers on the road anymore because of that. Credit Card debt? I went over this with you yesterday.
Tuition beyond reach is the most true statement of that bunch. I'm going to college next year, do you honestly think without scholarships I'll be able to pay for a 4 year college that's between $20-30,000 a year?
$20,000 - $30,000 a year is more then some families make.
And you notice it's Democrats who say that more often for change? Why? Because they're always cleaning up the Republicans messes. You'll notice since the days after Jimmy Carter, this country economy wise has always been better off with a Democratic President.
I have hope that people will make the right decision this election season. I have never seen so many Republicans or right leaning Independents voting for a Democrat ever.
I don't want this country to go back to a cold war. If you want my honest opinion, I believe we are already in another cold war though not with Russia.
The world hates our guts for the most part, that much is true. However, there is a difference between being liked and being respected.
Paint with a wide brush? No, when I said the rest of us I was refering to the ones who didn't want to play the same old games of politics. And the many conservative statement could be considered true taking in fact how many were willing to vote Obama, 3rd party, or stay home before Palin.
Many still are going to Vote Obama, 3rd party, or stay home. Others are going to vote McCain now because of Palin.
I respect your choice to believe whatever you want, that's part of the definition of America. To choose what you want to believe in and a manner you choose as long as it is not harming others.
However, I respectfully like to say that you are judging too harshly and quickly before giving Obama a chance to make good on his promises.
Can he make good on ALL of them? Probably not
Can he make good on half of them? Sure he can, and making good on even half to 2/3 of his promises would bring a huge difference to this country.
What extremists like you think of my opinion just doesn't mean a whole lot. Don't you have some 1968 Nader footage to watch on your BetaMax?
I have actually Robert, and the point is related to scare tactics a they relate to campaigns and parties. * lol* No need to debate the credit card debate again, I think we both know where we stand on that one. You choose to look at the series of speeches and see them as talking to you directly and they are telling you the straight truth and not using a scare tactic. However, to me, a person who has a stable home, has seen my income rise, I choose to see it as a scare tactic. Interestingly enough when you hear the Republican candidate speak you hear a scare tactic and I hear pretty much what you hear from Obama? see what I mean? That's the point they both use it, I suppose it's all in how it's looked at.
I am judging no one too harshly. I disagree with his political ideology, and I disagree with his talking points. I see no reason to give him a chance to enact anything that goes against what I believe is right.
Like I said, wishful thinking on how many conservatives you think are going to vote for Obama. Your best hope in that area is a repeat performance of the 2006 midterms and that conservatives/Republicans just stay home.
Anyone calling themselves a conservative that votes for Obama is in fact, not a conservative, or they're pretty damned dumb. McCain's no peach. I have never liked him. He's STILL more conservative than Obama.
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That's a given, there, however, do you think that some and i'm not saying all, are doing so now because it's the cool thing to do? I'm retired Military and I have to tell you it breaks my heart to see people stand in front of a Military Recruiters office and block the path and then call those brave men and women all sorts of vile trash. I would just rather they say nothing at all , it is not the soidier, sailor , or airmen that takes the country to war , it is they make the sacrifices, family, hardships, and some with their very lives. So this what I like to call protest culture, seems to have gotten to the point where, it's just i'm going to protest this or that , rather than try and change it. Did they ever stop to think, "wait , maybe if I signed up I can make a difference".Again I would never stop anyone from exercising their rights, but as I have said, a cause without reason is , a lost cause.
I missed the relevance of this thread. If they have a right then allow them, our founders were the first protest group in America. Of course there may have been Indian protest group but we did a good job of killing those people. And does the author consider right wing protest groups as well? I'm especially thinking of the brown shirts that did not want a Florida recount and thus we have the current comic for president, the one republicans are now running from. Maybe you should have protested him and his war, imagine how many children would have had their dad tuck them in at night.
A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote to destroy for future generations the natural beauty of Alaska and our coastlines.
Anyone embracing Obama's views is in fact NOT conservative.
What I notice is another politician is promising something he can't deliver. It is merely your opinion that any of of his promises would be changes for the better.
When exactly is it you want this country to go back to? The Cold War?
If they have a right then allow them, our founders were the first protest group in America.
How about the fifties? Those were some Happy Days!
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