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[Meister]

It will more than likely be new boss worse than old boss scenario.

There could very well be an American hating government to emerge if this isn't done right.
Also, seeing how we are standing on the sidelines....we may very well lose credibility with other countries in that region.

Who's going to make sure it's "done right"...? Obama...? He's the one who likes to play footsie with the jihadists...

I hoping Egypt's people will see it's done right. I don't trust Obama to do anything right, he hasn't shown it yet....oh, except with those teenage pirates a couple of years ago.

 

[elvis]

There could very well be an American hating government to emerge if this isn't done right.
Also, seeing how we are standing on the sidelines....we may very well lose credibility with other countries in that region.

Who's going to make sure it's "done right"...? Obama...? He's the one who likes to play footsie with the jihadists...

I hoping Egypt's people will see it's done right. I don't trust Obama to do anything right, he hasn't shown it yet....oh, except with those teenage pirates a couple of years ago.

and when he killed that fly...

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I just found out code pink went to egypt to help with the protest.

 

[georgephillip]

"Unmentioned is what the population thinks – easily discovered.

"According to polls released by the Brookings Institution in August, some Arabs agree with Washington and Western commentators that Iran is a threat: 10 percent.

"In contrast, they regard the U.S. and Israel as the major threats (77 percent; 88 percent).

Arab opinion is so hostile to Washington’s policies that a majority (57 percent) think regional security would be enhanced if Iran had nuclear weapons..."

The Arab World...

 

[High_Gravity]

The Protesters got what they wanted. He'll be gone in September. They won. He's just speaking reason now. Their Economy really is taking a big hit with this chaos. They won,so now it's time for them to go home and get back to work. I understand what Mubarak is saying. No need for more protests. That's just my take though.

Mubarak has said if he just steps down the country will descend into anarchy, he is 100% correct. There needs to be a proper transfer of power, I don't think the protestors are being reasonable asking him to just get the fuck out right now.

 

[High_Gravity]

The business of World media is a daily business.
Due to the demonstrations in Egypt, world media attention lies on Egypt.
Mubarak wants the focus gone, so his regime can return to 'business as usual'.

The demonstrators are right to demand Mubarrak's immediate stepping down from his position. They've risked a lot, and if they stop their protests now and accept Mubarrak's solution that Mubarak will continue to lead the country until September, then the regime might use the time to crack-down on the demonstrators and secure the survival of the regime.

Police, Intelligence organizations will do a 'what has gone wrong'-commission and will ensure, that it won't happen again.

So Mubarak should just leave without any kind of transfer of power taking place? the whole country will descend into chaos, but you don't really care because you don't live there.

 

[georgephillip]

The business of World media is a daily business.
Due to the demonstrations in Egypt, world media attention lies on Egypt.
Mubarak wants the focus gone, so his regime can return to 'business as usual'.

The demonstrators are right to demand Mubarrak's immediate stepping down from his position. They've risked a lot, and if they stop their protests now and accept Mubarrak's solution that Mubarak will continue to lead the country until September, then the regime might use the time to crack-down on the demonstrators and secure the survival of the regime.

Police, Intelligence organizations will do a 'what has gone wrong'-commission and will ensure, that it won't happen again.

So Mubarak should just leave without any kind of transfer of power taking place? the whole country will descend into chaos, but you don't really care because you don't live there.

Omar Suleiman is about all the "transfer of power" US and Egyptian elites are likely to see.

"In reality, what the political scene in Egypt will look like after the revolution nobody knows.

"But given the choice between what they have known and the unknown, Egyptians have chosen the latter.

"This uprising does not belong to a specific segment of the population – and as much as some in the West might like to present it in a sectarian or partisan light, this is an Egyptian uprising.

"Christians alongside Muslims from all backgrounds and walks of life are participating in the protests, many holding signs featuring the 'cross and crescent' that since the 1919 Revolution has symbolized Christian-Muslim national unity.

"My own family in Egypt, who are Christian, are gratified by the demonstrations of solidarity between Muslims and Christians in the face of grave circumstances, the rotten fruits of Mubarak’s reign.

"And if we look to history, we will find that this is hardly surprising.

Joshua Farouk Gregory:

 

[High_Gravity]

The business of World media is a daily business.
Due to the demonstrations in Egypt, world media attention lies on Egypt.
Mubarak wants the focus gone, so his regime can return to 'business as usual'.

The demonstrators are right to demand Mubarrak's immediate stepping down from his position. They've risked a lot, and if they stop their protests now and accept Mubarrak's solution that Mubarak will continue to lead the country until September, then the regime might use the time to crack-down on the demonstrators and secure the survival of the regime.

Police, Intelligence organizations will do a 'what has gone wrong'-commission and will ensure, that it won't happen again.

So Mubarak should just leave without any kind of transfer of power taking place? the whole country will descend into chaos, but you don't really care because you don't live there.

Omar Suleiman is about all the "transfer of power" US and Egyptian elites are likely to see.

"In reality, what the political scene in Egypt will look like after the revolution nobody knows.

"But given the choice between what they have known and the unknown, Egyptians have chosen the latter.

"This uprising does not belong to a specific segment of the population – and as much as some in the West might like to present it in a sectarian or partisan light, this is an Egyptian uprising.

"Christians alongside Muslims from all backgrounds and walks of life are participating in the protests, many holding signs featuring the 'cross and crescent' that since the 1919 Revolution has symbolized Christian-Muslim national unity.

"My own family in Egypt, who are Christian, are gratified by the demonstrations of solidarity between Muslims and Christians in the face of grave circumstances, the rotten fruits of Mubarak’s reign.

"And if we look to history, we will find that this is hardly surprising.

Joshua Farouk Gregory:

So Mubarak should just get on a plane and leave? just like that? that sounds like an awesome plan, Mubarak is in a lose/lose situation, if he just leaves the country will descend into chaos. If he stays people are still pissed because they want him gone.

 

[Intense]

The Protesters got what they wanted. He'll be gone in September. They won. He's just speaking reason now. Their Economy really is taking a big hit with this chaos. They won,so now it's time for them to go home and get back to work. I understand what Mubarak is saying. No need for more protests. That's just my take though.

Mubarak has said if he just steps down the country will descend into anarchy, he is 100% correct. There needs to be a proper transfer of power, I don't think the protestors are being reasonable asking him to just get the fuck out right now.

Agreed. The solution needs to be Just, Timely, and avoid Violence. Inciting People to blindly massacre each other is the last thing we should be doing here. Where is the Justice in Blind Slaughter? We should be encouraging these People to step back and take a breath. Plan the next step rationally.

 

[kwc57]

So Mubarak should just leave without any kind of transfer of power taking place? the whole country will descend into chaos, but you don't really care because you don't live there.

Omar Suleiman is about all the "transfer of power" US and Egyptian elites are likely to see.

"In reality, what the political scene in Egypt will look like after the revolution nobody knows.

"But given the choice between what they have known and the unknown, Egyptians have chosen the latter.
"This uprising does not belong to a specific segment of the population – and as much as some in the West might like to present it in a sectarian or partisan light, this is an Egyptian uprising.

"Christians alongside Muslims from all backgrounds and walks of life are participating in the protests, many holding signs featuring the 'cross and crescent' that since the 1919 Revolution has symbolized Christian-Muslim national unity.

"My own family in Egypt, who are Christian, are gratified by the demonstrations of solidarity between Muslims and Christians in the face of grave circumstances, the rotten fruits of Mubarak’s reign.

"And if we look to history, we will find that this is hardly surprising.

Joshua Farouk Gregory:

So Mubarak should just get on a plane and leave? just like that? that sounds like an awesome plan, Mubarak is in a lose/lose situation, if he just leaves the country will descend into chaos. If he stays people are still pissed because they want him gone.

Precisely what the radical islamists elements are hoping for. Let the people do our dirty work and then we will fill the void.

 

[Dr.Drock]

The business of World media is a daily business.
Due to the demonstrations in Egypt, world media attention lies on Egypt.
Mubarak wants the focus gone, so his regime can return to 'business as usual'.

The demonstrators are right to demand Mubarrak's immediate stepping down from his position. They've risked a lot, and if they stop their protests now and accept Mubarrak's solution that Mubarak will continue to lead the country until September, then the regime might use the time to crack-down on the demonstrators and secure the survival of the regime.

Police, Intelligence organizations will do a 'what has gone wrong'-commission and will ensure, that it won't happen again.

Negative. There needs to be an orderly and peaceful transition of power thru elections. If he steps down now, you will see all the radical players try to fill the void and we'll end up with another Iran. They won. Go home and wait for elections.

Why would any Egyptian be confident they could vote out Mubarak? He could lose by a 90-10 margin and still "win".

 

[kwc57]

The business of World media is a daily business.
Due to the demonstrations in Egypt, world media attention lies on Egypt.
Mubarak wants the focus gone, so his regime can return to 'business as usual'.

The demonstrators are right to demand Mubarrak's immediate stepping down from his position. They've risked a lot, and if they stop their protests now and accept Mubarrak's solution that Mubarak will continue to lead the country until September, then the regime might use the time to crack-down on the demonstrators and secure the survival of the regime.

Police, Intelligence organizations will do a 'what has gone wrong'-commission and will ensure, that it won't happen again.

Negative. There needs to be an orderly and peaceful transition of power thru elections. If he steps down now, you will see all the radical players try to fill the void and we'll end up with another Iran. They won. Go home and wait for elections.

Why would any Egyptian be confident they could vote out Mubarak? He could lose by a 90-10 margin and still "win".

In case you haven't been watching the news.......things have changed in Egypt.

 

[georgephillip]

So Mubarak should just leave without any kind of transfer of power taking place? the whole country will descend into chaos, but you don't really care because you don't live there.

Omar Suleiman is about all the "transfer of power" US and Egyptian elites are likely to see.

"In reality, what the political scene in Egypt will look like after the revolution nobody knows.

"But given the choice between what they have known and the unknown, Egyptians have chosen the latter.

"This uprising does not belong to a specific segment of the population – and as much as some in the West might like to present it in a sectarian or partisan light, this is an Egyptian uprising.

"Christians alongside Muslims from all backgrounds and walks of life are participating in the protests, many holding signs featuring the 'cross and crescent' that since the 1919 Revolution has symbolized Christian-Muslim national unity.

"My own family in Egypt, who are Christian, are gratified by the demonstrations of solidarity between Muslims and Christians in the face of grave circumstances, the rotten fruits of Mubarak’s reign.

"And if we look to history, we will find that this is hardly surprising.

Joshua Farouk Gregory:

So Mubarak should just get on a plane and leave? just like that? that sounds like an awesome plan, Mubarak is in a lose/lose situation, if he just leaves the country will descend into chaos. If he stays people are still pissed because they want him gone.

What if Mubarak is arrested and tossed into jail?

 

[kwc57]

Omar Suleiman is about all the "transfer of power" US and Egyptian elites are likely to see.

"In reality, what the political scene in Egypt will look like after the revolution nobody knows.

"But given the choice between what they have known and the unknown, Egyptians have chosen the latter.

"This uprising does not belong to a specific segment of the population – and as much as some in the West might like to present it in a sectarian or partisan light, this is an Egyptian uprising.

"Christians alongside Muslims from all backgrounds and walks of life are participating in the protests, many holding signs featuring the 'cross and crescent' that since the 1919 Revolution has symbolized Christian-Muslim national unity.

"My own family in Egypt, who are Christian, are gratified by the demonstrations of solidarity between Muslims and Christians in the face of grave circumstances, the rotten fruits of Mubarak’s reign.

"And if we look to history, we will find that this is hardly surprising.

Joshua Farouk Gregory:

So Mubarak should just get on a plane and leave? just like that? that sounds like an awesome plan, Mubarak is in a lose/lose situation, if he just leaves the country will descend into chaos. If he stays people are still pissed because they want him gone.

What if Mubarak is arrested and tossed into jail?

Chaos.

 

[High_Gravity]

Omar Suleiman is about all the "transfer of power" US and Egyptian elites are likely to see.

"In reality, what the political scene in Egypt will look like after the revolution nobody knows.

"But given the choice between what they have known and the unknown, Egyptians have chosen the latter.

"This uprising does not belong to a specific segment of the population – and as much as some in the West might like to present it in a sectarian or partisan light, this is an Egyptian uprising.

"Christians alongside Muslims from all backgrounds and walks of life are participating in the protests, many holding signs featuring the 'cross and crescent' that since the 1919 Revolution has symbolized Christian-Muslim national unity.

"My own family in Egypt, who are Christian, are gratified by the demonstrations of solidarity between Muslims and Christians in the face of grave circumstances, the rotten fruits of Mubarak’s reign.

"And if we look to history, we will find that this is hardly surprising.

Joshua Farouk Gregory:

So Mubarak should just get on a plane and leave? just like that? that sounds like an awesome plan, Mubarak is in a lose/lose situation, if he just leaves the country will descend into chaos. If he stays people are still pissed because they want him gone.

What if Mubarak is arrested and tossed into jail?

Based on what?

 

[Gadawg73]

International diplomacy is not an easy thing..Just goes to show how naive people are to think those Wiki leaks don't matter...



We stood behind Mubarak all these years because he is the lesser of two evils. Now some want to paint us as hypocrites over supporting him for so long...While those who know the real dangers over there were looking for us to stand behind him in the middle of that uprising and are now angry that we didn't, as if it was ever up to us?

We are set up as damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Stuck between a rock and a hard place, what else could we do at that make point, but make blanket statements focusing less on Mubarak the man and more on supporting democracy and human rights in general........?

30 January 11


Leading Egyptian opposition figure Mohamed ElBaradei has joined thousands of protesters in Cairo defying a curfew to demand President Mubarak stand down.

...

Mr ElBaradei, however, has said Washington is losing credibility by talking of democracy while still supporting a president viewed by Egyptians as oppressive.

Senior Israeli government officials have been strict in maintaining a silence regarding the events in Egypt, and have also been hesitant about criticizing – at least publicly – US President Barack Obama’s stand toward the developments there.

Privately, however, some have expressed deep concern at what they view as the hypocritical abandonment by the US of a longtime ally once he seemed to be in trouble, with one official saying that while America believes pushing Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak out would lead to a democratic government, the more likely scenario was that this would lead to an Islamist regime even worse on issues like human rights and freedom than Mubarak.

Israeli critics open up on US ?abandonment' of Mubarak

Yup,isn't aggressive Foreign Interventionism just great? We're always gonna be "Evil America" in these Hellholes. It wont matter who replaces Mubarak in Egypt. We'll still be "Evil America" in the end. These Hellholes just love taking our cash & weapons while smiling to our face. But on the streets it's all about that "Evil America" stuff. They play us much more than we play them. The Arabs especially,are great at snookering us on Foreign Aid. The Pakistanis are great at it too. They take the cash but as soon as things go to shite in their Hellholes,it quickly becomes all about blaming that "Evil Imperialist America." But hey,we wanted to be an Empire and this is the result. Aggressive Foreign Interventionism just doesn't work in the end. Time for some radical changes in our Foreign Policy.

Most of the "cash" is for the military and the rest for the elite in power.
No cash gets to the citizens.
They hate MUBARAK first and foremost. The rest does not matter.
I agree with the rest of your post.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

International diplomacy is not an easy thing..Just goes to show how naive people are to think those Wiki leaks don't matter...



We stood behind Mubarak all these years because he is the lesser of two evils. Now some want to paint us as hypocrites over supporting him for so long...While those who know the real dangers over there were looking for us to stand behind him in the middle of that uprising and are now angry that we didn't, as if it was ever up to us?

We are set up as damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Stuck between a rock and a hard place, what else could we do at that make point, but make blanket statements focusing less on Mubarak the man and more on supporting democracy and human rights in general........?

Yup,isn't aggressive Foreign Interventionism just great? We're always gonna be "Evil America" in these Hellholes. It wont matter who replaces Mubarak in Egypt. We'll still be "Evil America" in the end. These Hellholes just love taking our cash & weapons while smiling to our face. But on the streets it's all about that "Evil America" stuff. They play us much more than we play them. The Arabs especially,are great at snookering us on Foreign Aid. The Pakistanis are great at it too. They take the cash but as soon as things go to shite in their Hellholes,it quickly becomes all about blaming that "Evil Imperialist America." But hey,we wanted to be an Empire and this is the result. Aggressive Foreign Interventionism just doesn't work in the end. Time for some radical changes in our Foreign Policy.

Most of the "cash" is for the military and the rest for the elite in power.
No cash gets to the citizens.
They hate MUBARAK first and foremost. The rest does not matter.
I agree with the rest of your post.

There's more to the story than just the Egyptian people vs. the government. The riots are being influenced by out side sources.

 

[konradv]

This probably won't be a popular idea, but it may be time for an interim military government, assuming they can be trusted to run a fair election and step down, whatever its result. The military seems to have taken a "hands off" approach, letting the people state their wishes without violence. I think they need to stop the pro-Mubarak from starting trouble and take control of the situation, assuming they're not complicit.

 

[Gadawg73]

Yup,isn't aggressive Foreign Interventionism just great? We're always gonna be "Evil America" in these Hellholes. It wont matter who replaces Mubarak in Egypt. We'll still be "Evil America" in the end. These Hellholes just love taking our cash & weapons while smiling to our face. But on the streets it's all about that "Evil America" stuff. They play us much more than we play them. The Arabs especially,are great at snookering us on Foreign Aid. The Pakistanis are great at it too. They take the cash but as soon as things go to shite in their Hellholes,it quickly becomes all about blaming that "Evil Imperialist America." But hey,we wanted to be an Empire and this is the result. Aggressive Foreign Interventionism just doesn't work in the end. Time for some radical changes in our Foreign Policy.

Most of the "cash" is for the military and the rest for the elite in power.
No cash gets to the citizens.
They hate MUBARAK first and foremost. The rest does not matter.
I agree with the rest of your post.

There's more to the story than just the Egyptian people vs. the government. The riots are being influenced by out side sources.

Of course they are but what do we do to stop that?
Does our presence there help that?
130K troops in Egypt to attempt to stop that?
This all boils down to the incredibly stupid idea to invade Iraq. Hussein kept the Muslim Brotherhood and all the religous kooks in check in the entire middle east. They hated him.
It will take 30 years to fix that large mistake.

 

[High_Gravity]

Most of the "cash" is for the military and the rest for the elite in power.
No cash gets to the citizens.
They hate MUBARAK first and foremost. The rest does not matter.
I agree with the rest of your post.

There's more to the story than just the Egyptian people vs. the government. The riots are being influenced by out side sources.

Of course they are but what do we do to stop that?
Does our presence there help that?
130K troops in Egypt to attempt to stop that?
This all boils down to the incredibly stupid idea to invade Iraq. Hussein kept the Muslim Brotherhood and all the religous kooks in check in the entire middle east. They hated him.
It will take 30 years to fix that large mistake.

How did Saddam Hussein keep the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt in check?